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So far I like it a lot even if it isn't as mechanically as interesting as Engage. And unlike Engage the story and characters aren't absolute dogshit. I would recommend playing on hard out the gate though.
Oh its released?

I was following it on steam for a year now iirc.
It doesnt really blow me away visually but I do appreciate the proper medieval style of everything.

What's the story and gameplay like compared to the average Fire Emblem game?
 
Oh its released?

I was following it on steam for a year now iirc.
It doesnt really blow me away visually but I do appreciate the proper medieval style of everything.

What's the story and gameplay like compared to the average Fire Emblem game?
The story is much more grounded following some peasants starting a revolt against a corrupt empire. There's magic and monsters, but it all feels very early GoT where its rare and barely understood/long forgotten. So far the gameplay feels very simple akin to maybe FE7. You have class skills, but they are very basic like (switch positions with an ally or aggro an enemy). Maps are also pretty simple so far but I'm fairly early in the game. I do like they've added terrain like puddles on maps which will make units "wet". "Wet" effects movement and unit stats as well as creates a chain effect and damage multiplier if you use lightning magic or with ice magic it freezes them. They also have horse mounts which are optional and will obviously give you a mobility advantage but at the sacrifice of your guard and accuracy stat. Mobility also feels extremely limited (similar to how Engage feels), the only difference is at least Engage had rings and items to fix this for some units. So far I've really liked it so far. The aesthetics are drab and realistic, which is right up my alley and there doesn't seem to be any real busted mechanics like Engage. We'll see if it gets better or worse later.
 
Finished my first 3 houses run with Golden Deer. Shit just seemed to kind of happen, when I heard golden deer was the most distant from the central core of the plot, people weren't joking, though I expect I did get more details on the "children of Seiros" from this path than the others. Was playing in normal and documented myself on leveling and classes and the final fight was a pushover, that I used a ton of fliers probably did not help to trivialize things. I'll give the game a break of like half a year or so before I start the Blue Lions route, though I'll definitely play on hard and hire less classmates this time since I didn't use half my forces anyway and adds to the bloat at the monastery.

Before that break though, I am playing the DLC and already am noticing that I'm having a much harder time without my OP as fuck units (the Hilda there ain't my Hilda!) and poor Lindhart is doing a lot of overtime being the only competent healer available, though it is nice to get me out of my comfort zone and playing the game more as a game with the set pieces. Story doesn't make a lick of sense though, I still fail to see the point of the abyss just in general.

As for impressions... I think I preferred Awakening (this is the only other Fire Emblem I've ever played), was more focused and though I liked the Monastery shit at first, by the end I was just resting constantly aside from checking the new dialogue with autoinstruct once everyone was in my desired classes. Basically, second half feels kind of a slog if you don't start skipping shit. The support scenes I did for the most part enjoy though, but I'm a sucker for these little vignettes of character interactions.
 
Finished my first 3 houses run with Golden Deer. Shit just seemed to kind of happen, when I heard golden deer was the most distant from the central core of the plot, people weren't joking, though I expect I did get more details on the "children of Seiros" from this path than the others.
I actually unironically think Claude's story answers the lost history background conflict that made this entire war even happen. It is more distant from the vs Edelgard plot, although only Dimitri's really dives much deeper into that conflict if you don't side with her. As far as all the mole people and Children of Seiros stuff. They're pretty much just as Rhea explained it very the final chapter, yes the other routes will not explain why the mole people can just drop missiles from space.

Let me roughly explain in very vague details what the other routes give you (spoiled as I know some in here haven't finished most of 3h).

Edelgard: Edelgard is less mean and the entire conflict is completely different, Dimitri for example is a different character in this route compared to every other one. The ending sucks balls, if you think this will resolve Edelgard's story like it seems it will or like you might hope it will, it won't. It is the most tell don't show ending you can think of, it is bad fanfiction tier levels of bad. Someone got paid to write that ending.

Dimitri: Dimitri's plot focuses on his relationship with Edelgard and his personal trauma, Rhea is a plot device and could just be the deed to Fodlan for how much she matters here. There's really nothing else. The mole people are also extremely fucking stupid in this route.

Church: Is pretty much Golden Deer again until the literal very end, like literal chapter for chapter the same even save for who's on screen. They more directly talk about Byleth's relationship with Rhea, but you can probably put it together with just Golden Deer's stuff. The ending also changes for no fucking reason.

Claude is also pretty much just a speed bump or a foot note in every route besides his own, he's also a massive retard in Dimitri's route for reasons you might be able to guess. Hint: It has to do with Gronder.
 
@The Zekenator thank for giving me some deets, though you aren't selling me amazingly well on the rest of the threads :lol:

I did know that church is pretty much a rethread for the most part and was the one I was leaving last, though I'll probably pass at this point. I do find it interesting that Claude sounds so irrelevant in the other threads when he should be a huge player no matter what, though Dimitri did end up being just a rabid dog on his story, so I guess they all get kind of shafted when they aren't the main character..

Which route would you say is the most satisfying then? Also, I gather there is no "true ending" like in other narratives or anything of the sort then?
 
@The Zekenator thank for giving me some deets, though you aren't selling me amazingly well on the rest of the threads :lol:

I did know that church is pretty much a rethread for the most part and was the one I was leaving last, though I'll probably pass at this point. I do find it interesting that Claude sounds so irrelevant in the other threads when he should be a huge player no matter what, though Dimitri did end up being just a rabid dog on his story, so I guess they all get kind of shafted when they aren't the main character..

Which route would you say is the most satisfying then? Also, I gather there is no "true ending" like in other narratives or anything of the sort then?
I aimed to set expectations low because 3H is a stupid long game if you try to play all of it and in my opinion it really isn't worth it as someone who got invested enough to do it all and is fine with JRPG writing most the time. It is too long for a whole lot of just above average jrpg stuff at best (and church route was the biggest waste of time I've ever played in Fire Emblem). I can play maybe 3 jrpgs of similar writing quality by the time I finish all of 3H and this is with me knowing the meta game decently so I know how to just blitz the maps. I also think the gameplay is weak too, especially on repeat playthroughs where monastery tedium really sets in, the maps are super duper rehashed to a comical degree.

Imo, Blue Lions while disappointing to me (and many people disagree with me on why so YMMV) in some ways, I feel its ending is overall the most complete and okay. Its ending cutscene if you are invested in the Dimitri and Edelgard dynamic is actually quite nice. Claude is a retard, but at least he existed in the plot unlike Dimitri in Claude's route who exists for 5 minutes and does nothing of substance beyond be some brief drama. Edelgard is also the best in Dimitri's route imo, at least overall writing wise. If this was just Dimitri vs Edelgard, it'd probably be a better story overall. The only reason it disappoints me is because it had the strongest plot until it fumbles the bag by the time it needs to start to wrap because the developers ran out of maps to extend the length of the route.

It is like they realized they need to get to endgame and just rushed the development. Blue Lions also has the honor of answering the least questions about everything if you play it first, you learn nothing about mole people and Edelgard has some missing context still. This is while Rhea is barely present to explain stuff too.

Golden Deer to me answers the most questions, and ends okay. The bigger problem is Claude is just badly explained, his whole motive just sucks and he's the most boring of the main figureheads. He's only relevant when he's with Byleth which is extremely weak.

Both Black Eagle routes suck ass, just for different reasons. I don't even hate Edelgard, I just think she's badly handled overall.

There is no true ending in the strictest sense, the writing never made me think one ending is the true definitive end, they all end in their own way. You can pretty much wrap up the true ending as "Whoever wins the war gets to decide how it ends", or if you want to be less charitable and more mocking "Whoever gets to keep Byleth is the true ending"

The only character with consistent relevance is Edelgard, everyone else just seems to lose relevance post time skip at random. Although because you're just going to pass on going further. Dimitri is extremely funny in the church route where Gronder happens off screen, Dimitri and his entire army dies except for Dedue who tries to 1v1 Edelgard when you siege her throne room by climbing the side stairs, and Claude is implied to have just fucked off out of the plot like a bitch while his army dies, and Edelgard is wounded. It is effectively GD, but no Gronder in the church route. And then this cutscene happens right after Gronder.
 
Three Houses is more or less hot garbage, no matter how you look at it. In Silver Snow, Seteth railroaded you into staying away from Grondor field, along with making an handful of important decisions for you. Plus, there's also the issue how the Alliance doesn't have that much of an reason to be fighting at Grondor field.

I mean, there's some more stuff, but it's mostly along the lines of the writers just suddenly gave up with keeping the second half of the game interesting
 
Since I bought The Fates DLC. I decided I will replay Awakening and Fates but this time go for the Birthright route. Might as well do that since I didnt finish Conquest. It just felt off. Plus I also bought the Revelations DLC so I will give that a try. While Im at it, might as well replay Kid Icarus Uprising. If only Nintendo could just port them to the Switch uncensored with the JP voices. And no wokeocalization shitted into them. Thanks Nintendo Faghouse
 
Plus I also bought the Revelations DLC so I will give that a try.
I legitimately can’t recommend doing that. Not because it’s a bad translation - it is, but that’s Fates in general - but because Revelations writing is Bad Fan Fiction levels of Bad. Add in the Army Bloat of obtaining every playable character like they’re fucking Pokémon, it becomes a slog to get through.
 
I legitimately can’t recommend doing that. Not because it’s a bad translation - it is, but that’s Fates in general - but because Revelations writing is Bad Fan Fiction levels of Bad. Add in the Army Bloat of obtaining every playable character like they’re fucking Pokémon, it becomes a slog to get through.
Ah, I see. I guess I'll just play Birthright route then. I do also have Echoes SOV but I remember not liking it. From what I heard, its considered to be one of the best. I think I found it to be boring and lost interest. Maybe I should give it another chance?
 
The only character with consistent relevance is Edelgard, everyone else just seems to lose relevance post time skip at random. Although because you're just going to pass on going further. Dimitri is extremely funny in the church route where Gronder happens off screen, Dimitri and his entire army dies except for Dedue who tries to 1v1 Edelgard when you siege her throne room by climbing the side stairs, and Claude is implied to have just fucked off out of the plot like a bitch while his army dies, and Edelgard is wounded. It is effectively GD, but no Gronder in the church route. And then this cutscene happens right after Gronder.
Really killing my interest mate :lol: also, extra note, I play these games with Japanese audio and my god does Seteth sound like a gigantic faggot compared to his nip voice. I will finish the Cindered whatever DLC since I'm already into it, I still don't understand what the point of having fucking morlocks under the church is even about though.

I'm also fascinated that the Mole people are only addressed proper in golden deer and that nobody addresses how they have fucking missiles with branding, so I guess I got the most "global" plot out if it at least. I did enjoy my core students, the golden deer squad were good lads with Hilda, Lorenz and Ignatz really growing on me, Ralph was always a pleasure with his retarded pragmatism.

Though I was very disappointied that Marianne wasn't a fucking werewolf, would have loved a shifter to be around like in Awakening
 
I play these games with Japanese audio and my god does Seteth sound like a gigantic faggot compared to his nip voice.
I thought the same thing before I noticed you can switch the audio (yes I'm a retard).

I'm also fascinated that the Mole people are only addressed proper in golden deer and that nobody addresses how they have fucking missiles with branding, so I guess I got the most "global" plot out if it at least.

Oh, shit. I forgot about that
 
Really killing my interest mate :lol: also, extra note, I play these games with Japanese audio and my god does Seteth sound like a gigantic faggot compared to his nip voice. I will finish the Cindered whatever DLC since I'm already into it, I still don't understand what the point of having fucking morlocks under the church is even about though.

I'm also fascinated that the Mole people are only addressed proper in golden deer and that nobody addresses how they have fucking missiles with branding, so I guess I got the most "global" plot out if it at least. I did enjoy my core students, the golden deer squad were good lads with Hilda, Lorenz and Ignatz really growing on me, Ralph was always a pleasure with his retarded pragmatism.

Though I was very disappointied that Marianne wasn't a fucking werewolf, would have loved a shifter to be around like in Awakening
Church route is honestly really good just for the relationship Byleth has with Rhea and her S-support. It's probably the best S-support in the game and I honestly think its ending with Rhea's S-support gives Byleth himself the most closure. A lot of its beats are identical to Golden Deer but I completely disagree with that dude that it's a waste of time. It is patently obvious playing through the route that it was the one written first and Golden Deer was fitted to it, especially with how Edelgard's death cutscene makes no sense in Golden Deer. The second half in general is basically copy pasted between routes for the most part and you're going to see the same maps no matter what so it's really just something you get used to.
 
The second half in general is basically copy pasted between routes for the most part and you're going to see the same maps no matter what so it's really just something you get used to.
At least Blue Lions can be carried, or attempted to be carried, by Dimitri's different dynamic and tone that he brings to the story and isn't a blatantly different ending for no reason (regardless of which order you go with between GD or SS) and Claude feels relevant in his own while having some semblance of charisma. Seteth and Flayn are just bland to listen to most the time (this could be the dub's fault, but most the dub is fine voice cast wise), it is pretty much finding Rhea and Seteth railroading you after you make pointless decisions on screen. Out of all the routes, Silver Snow is the one I regret playing the most and Rhea's S support is not enough for an entire playthrough to me in a game I find mechanically dull and boring to play without an annoying early game.

If anything it is why I think Edelgard's route is better than most people give it credit for, because it actually feels like a different experience and plot the whole way through. The ending is just horrible.

Plus honestly I'd say the entire game isn't even worth it anyway, SS is just the most blatantly bad to me but I have numerous problems with all the routes overall. If someone genuinely asked me if 3H is worth your time, I'd pretty much tell them no after one playthrough. Unless they want an easy SRPG (or an extremely annoying one if you play it on Maddening) to cruise through and to waste 150-200 hours on a story that kind of ends half baked compared to what it sets up. Or they demand a modern Fire Emblem game has at least an average story as this one is probably the best plot in the last 10 years. Which says a lot about this series' current writing to be honest.
 
At least Blue Lions can be carried, or attempted to be carried, by Dimitri's different dynamic and tone that he brings to the story and isn't a blatantly different ending for no reason (regardless of which order you go with between GD or SS) and Claude feels relevant in his own while having some semblance of charisma. Seteth and Flayn are just bland to listen to most the time (this could be the dub's fault, but most the dub is fine voice cast wise), it is pretty much finding Rhea and Seteth railroading you after you make pointless decisions on screen. Out of all the routes, Silver Snow is the one I regret playing the most and Rhea's S support is not enough for an entire playthrough to me in a game I find mechanically dull and boring to play without an annoying early game.

If anything it is why I think Edelgard's route is better than most people give it credit for, because it actually feels like a different experience and plot the whole way through. The ending is just horrible.

Plus honestly I'd say the entire game isn't even worth it anyway, SS is just the most blatantly bad to me but I have numerous problems with all the routes overall. If someone genuinely asked me if 3H is worth your time, I'd pretty much tell them no after one playthrough. Unless they want an easy SRPG (or an extremely annoying one if you play it on Maddening) to cruise through and to waste 150-200 hours on a story that kind of ends half baked compared to what it sets up. Or they demand a modern Fire Emblem game has at least an average story as this one is probably the best plot in the last 10 years. Which says a lot about this series' current writing to be honest.
I personally disagree on Seteth, I think he's more charismatic than Claude and infinitely more interesting even in the English dub. Silver Snow is held back by the fact that the developers made the braindead decision to have Byleth be completely silent in a game that has a route that should be carried by Byleth's character development and then on top of that they have Rhea be captured in the route where she should be the deuteragonist. Silver Snow doesn't really have any unique recruitable characters to contrast the other routes either which would have been easily remedied by having Rhea and the other two saints be playable in Silver Snow. All of this could have been remedied at least partially by patching but for how well the game sold they released one character with no supports, a couple maps and an expansion that has nothing to do with anything before moving on.

I'd probably agree that for most people one S support isn't going to redeem an entire route but doing her S support honestly ties Silver Snow with Blue Lions for having the ending that makes the most sense logically and emotionally. Meanwhile I laughed out loud at your hair magically going back to normal somehow in the Edelgard route, it's just nonsense. And honestly whether you think Silver Snow or Verdant Wind is the knockoff of the other is going to depend very heavily on which one you play first. Personally I think Verdant Wind's ending was just as stupid with how little the Almyra plot matters and how blatantly it was shoved aside so they could copy Silver Snow's central conflict. Pivoting back to Almyra at the end was just silly.
 
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