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Flaming Insignias said:
Azure Gleam really wants to make me feel bad about staging a counter-invasion against the Empire, but does seems to be outright encouraging of unprovoked invasions in the other two routes. What the fuck?
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SB ends up being the strongest route. AG ums and errs a lot (like you described) and has a lot of the same issues with AM (but lacking a flawed Dimitri who then has a resoundingly strong arc).

Wildfire is fucking absurd.

So Blaze is a less morally onerous version of CF. It fixes the issues people had. But still fumbles the moral argument of Edelgard: that change can be pre-empted or co-opted unless it’s sudden and total. That in war you have to take a mighty swing.
 
They basically made SB as an apology for making CF "lack" in content
Flaming Insignias said:
You know, Monica disturbs me. She was kidnapped and nearly killed by people working with Edelgard, and yet she simps for Her Majesty with every waking breath. Even after El admits she intended to let Monica die for the sake of preserving her alliance with the Agarthans, Monnie outright says it doesn't matter because Edelgard did save her in the end. She also apparently keeps track of every time she interacts with Edelgard and knows things about Dorothea that people shouldn't be able to know.

So yes, they brought in the Real Monica von Ochs, and she's a creepy lesbian who makes me prefer Kronya over her.
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Jesus, Kronya really did a favor by killing Monica
 
Currently playing Silver Snow and I'm almost at the final battle. The writing is pretty stale without one of the lords constantly talking to you, the map in Enbarr is an little bit different from the other route, and Lindhardt is based enough to rob his father's mansion. Other than that, it's pretty much the same as the rest of the routes; and we also have the ability to make some very important decisions, only to have Seteth overrule you.
 
Berrakh said:
What makes it so good?
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Conquest is probably the closest they've gotten to actually using the more intricate and broken mechanics of post Awakening era FE (More plentiful and intricate skills that do things, pair up, class changing, avatar stuff, etc) and it not being a fucking mess. The biggest problems with Awakening are the easily accessible grinding (that sometimes you can't avoid due to how shops work), how skills are just broken (Sol/Galeforce being the biggest examples), how easy class switching is, the insanely powerful pair up mechanic that inflates your states far too high, how strong Robin is, and the incredibly shit map design where most chapters are rout maps, etc.

The problem with 3H is that battalions break the map, most maps are kill boss so you can just blitz to the boss and win with your super flyers, classes are extremely accessible so what a unit actually is doesn't really matter as much as it should, and the enemies are piss easy unless you play on ball busting mode where the balance goes to shit because the early game is frustrating.

Conquest solves most of these issues by making pair up have some sense of trade off where if you pair up you can't use dual strike (in a game with strong enemies so extra player phase offense is very appreciated) and if you don't you can't use dual guard. Pair up stats are much more tame the highest you can get is a +5 and not a + 12 or whatever Awakening could give you once your character's married. The maps are also decently varied with decent side objectives that encourage faster play and not turtling in a corner. Class switching is accessible, but not so accessible that it can override what the unit can be beyond their growths as Conquest is a linear and fairly tough game so being stuck with E rank weapons sucks at all points in the game so changing your class to a different weapon type is challenging to say the least.

Also Conquest has fairly good unit balance relative to everyone in this cast (Birthright unit balance is basically Ryoma Emblem, and Revelation's is ultra shit), because Xander's weakness is his speed and low res while Camilia doesn't get free 1-2 range and isn't quite as fast/bulky as you'd like vs everything due to the existence of Ninjas to keep her in check. In a game where Laslow is probably the worst unit and would be more like a average unit in any other game with shitty unit balance (like FE7 or FE10) then something has gone right. A fucking armor knight is actually pretty good in this game and the early Cavalier can't just roll over the early game despite Cavalier actually being good in this game. Conquest units can't double easily and those that can tend to have low strength or bulk or both to compensate (See Niles and Selena).
 
Major Buzzkill said:
Goes to show that nobody in the fan base can handle morally gray characters. Like, at all.
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The characters aren’t even truly morally gray (besides Hubert). They’re all good people who do the right thing once it presents itself. But the situations they find themselves in aren’t simple, don’t have obvious answers, mean different things to different world views, and they (usually) have personal motives and desires as well.

I find people overuse moral greyness when the character just doesn’t agree with how much they’re expected to submit their personal life to communal approval by fans who don’t share their priorities to begin with.
 
Major Buzzkill said:
Goes to show that nobody in the fan base can handle morally gray characters. Like, at all.
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Over time it seems like people deeply want things to go their way, more so than ever before because of the iNTERNET. Why have artistic intent or somewhat try when the fans can give you a wish list of what they want in their movie/game/book.
 
Danone said:
Over time it seems like people deeply want things to go their way, more so than ever before because of the iNTERNET. Why have artistic intent or somewhat try when the fans can give you a wish list of what they want in their movie/game/book.
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It’s especially silly when the most well-adjusted goody two shoes characters aren’t popular. Every popular character has red flags. Some just get criticized more because there’s a large enough group willing to be very sensitive.

For example, I would say being suicidally depressed is a red flag Marianne. But I know it’s not presented as a good thing. It’s to give her character tension. Most people can see that.

But sometimes they elect not to. Or think the game is saying something it isn’t and secretly agrees with them (or with something they despise).

When you look at their organic behavior, people agree that flaws are necessary. When you look at what they type on forums they suddenly change their minds (and start lying).
 
Berrakh said:
It’s especially silly when the most well-adjusted goody two shoes characters aren’t popular. Every popular character has red flags. Some just get criticized more because there’s a large enough group willing to be very sensitive.

For example, I would say being suicidally depressed is a red flag Marianne. But I know it’s not presented as a good thing. It’s to give her character tension. Most people can see that.

But sometimes they elect not to. Or think the game is saying something it isn’t and secretly agrees with them (or with something they despise).

When you look at their organic behavior, people agree that flaws are necessary. When you look at what they type on forums they suddenly change their minds (and start lying).
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i mean, the first sentence has to be true. raphael and ignatz are goody two shoes (i seriously can't think of red flags for them) and also some of the less popular th students.
 
woowie queen said:
i mean, the first sentence has to be true. raphael and ignatz are goody two shoes (i seriously can't think of red flags for them) and also some of the less popular th students.
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And Flayn. And Ingrid. And Annette. And Mercedes.

Bernadetta and Marianne aren’t well adjusted at all so they’re not included.

Lysithea isn’t especially interested in doing good for others. Nor is Hilda. They’ll do it if it finds them but they’re pretty inward-looking. Edelgard starts a war. Dorothea is more actively willing to do good than these three but it’s not her life’s ambition and she’s definitely willing to be mean too (and is treated as way more of a mess than she really is so why not put her here). That’s all the very popular girls.

Between Catherine and Shamir, Shamir is the drinker and gambler and far more popular than Catherine whose main flaw is obeying her duty.

Sole outlier: Manuela. I guess she’s too old.

For boys it’s no question. Sylvain, Dimitri, and Felix take all the attention. Leaving nothing for anyone else. Most oligarchic arrangement I’ve seen in an FE game.

Ashe, Ferdinand, Lin, Caspar, Raphael, Ignatz, and especially the dads Seteth and Alois are all but ignored most of the time.

The only outlier is Hubert, and what people dislike about him is his redeeming moral quality (loyalty to Edelgard).

Or perhaps Lorenz but people treat him like a dork as well so he still fits the pattern. He’s not a prima donna like the Faerghus Three.

And Claude is (was) just a protest vote against Dimitri and Edelgard.
 
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Ignatz has some defenders, I know one personally, but he's a shy nebbish type by design. Raphael I think a lot of folks like but no one would consider him their favorite.

OTOH, you have gatekeeper, who is unquestionably a goody two shoes and yet popular, but that's mostly due to being a meme.

As for Hubert, his loyalty to Edelgard isn't his only redeeming moral quality. He actually cares deeply for a lot of people, he's just comically bad at expressing it in ways that don't come across as menacing.
 
LoverofPi said:
Ignatz has some defenders, I know one personally, but he's a shy nebbish type by design.
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Sniper/Assassin Ignatz will like to have a word with you. The criticals this nigga has pulled out of his ass during my playthroughs are insane so he (and any character’s skills that are useful) gets a pass.

As for Hubert, his loyalty to Edelgard isn't his only redeeming moral quality. He actually cares deeply for a lot of people, he's just comically bad at expressing it in ways that don't come across as menacing.
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Is it really moral when his girl keeps doing shit to fuck up the rest of the continent?
 
Major Buzzkill said:
Sniper/Assassin Ignatz will like to have a word with you. The criticals this nigga has pulled out of his ass during my playthroughs are insane so he (and any character’s skills that are useful) gets a pass.
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I'm talking story Ignatz, not gameplay Ignatz.

Is it really moral when his girl keeps doing shit to fuck up the rest of the continent?
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She's fucking up the status quo, sure, but the continent is pretty fucked already and even in the routes where she's not the hero her actions are the kick in the pants to getting over a millennium if fuckery dealt with and sweeping reformations going.
 
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