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Yeah, of course they bring in the sister-fetish mommy-fetish yandere waifu with gigantic earth-shattering gigatits for DLC over any other character in Fates. Honestly surprised they didn't have Tharja in there too.
 
Pretty okay with the DLC characters. Hector is great, he's my highlight of the lineup. I love the Tellius games but Soren is just neat for me. Not a fan of Camilla and Veronica but I get that their games have been impactful enough for something and I'd take Camilla over the Birthright royals.
The absolute state of Seliph, Eliwood and Azura.
 
Sneak 'n' Snore said:
Pretty okay with the DLC characters. Hector is great, he's my highlight of the lineup. I love the Tellius games but Soren is just neat for me. Not a fan of Camilla and Veronica but I get that their games have been impactful enough for something and I'd take Camilla over the Birthright royals.
The absolute state of Seliph, Eliwood and Azura.
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Speaking of Azura, I saw people talking about how in Japanese Camilla's title is something like "Dark Night Emblem" this is because Conquest in Japanese is called something akin to "Fire Emblem IF: Dark Night Kingdom" so Camilla's title is meant to reflect that. Which that doesn't really work as cleanly, but why they picked "revelations" is beyond me. Maybe they wanted Azura fans to seethe.

Camilla sucks though, I would have preferred Xander because his supports don't make me roll my eyes and Cavs deserve an Emblem made for them. I'd also say Ryoma is the only Birthright royal I'll accept. Lobster man got shafted in the Corrin Paralogue, he does no damage with that levin sword. Camilla though is like a better Sigurd though because she pretty much gives gallop+ with flight movement for anyone so L m a o.

I like Soren a lot, I would have liked Sothe a little bit more mostly because I think he'd bring a more interesting skill set but Celica kind of blows ass by comparison to the physical emblems for mages so I can see why Soren is here. Though Soren might be too much if you don't want to cheese the game, because Flare is pretty much Sol every single Engaged turn for magic + a 20% res shred every single cast.

Hector is the right choice if we can't have all three. Axe lord rights

Veronica is neat for a Heroes OC, I like her outfit choice as it makes her appear not quite as much of loli bait and it fits her character progression. The gacha mechanic is cute.

Chrom + Robin is whatever.

I hope these are okay balanced, well Soren probably isn't from what I can see, because I'd like to actually feel okay using these without feeling like i'm cheating out of my mind like what I've seen Tiki and 3H leaders do. I might try a maddening run where I do an "Emblem replacement" where I just replace one Emblem with one of the DLCs Emblems and pretty much assume I don't get that other Emblem at all to see how that feels.
 
The Zekenator said:
Speaking of Azura, I saw people talking about how in Japanese Camilla's title is something like "Dark Night Emblem" this is because Conquest in Japanese is called something akin to "Fire Emblem IF: Dark Night Kingdom" so Camilla's title is meant to reflect that. Which that doesn't really work as cleanly, but why they picked "revelations" is beyond me. Maybe they wanted Azura fans to seethe.
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Part of me really thinks they slotted out Azura midway through development for a more popular character, I don't know why else they'd make her the Revelation representative.
Maybe its also their way of "unifying" all 3 Fates routes under one character since Camilla's map is taken from Birthright while she herself is from Conquest:\

I like to think they want to make Soren good in Engage after mages sucking so badly in RD
 
Sneak 'n' Snore said:
Part of me really thinks they slotted out Azura midway through development for a more popular character, I don't know why else they'd make her the Revelation representative.
Maybe its also their way of "unifying" all 3 Fates routes under one character since Camilla's map is taken from Birthright while she herself is from Conquest:\

I like to think they want to make Soren good in Engage after mages sucking so badly in RD
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I think they just fucked up the translation for Camilla, calling her the "Emblem of Conquest" would have made more sense with her JP title in mind.
 
Etie, in her state of sadness, choked Celine in one strong bear hug for their A-tier dialogue.
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also an update came out today, adding a new system "リフレッシュ/Refresh" (japanese for vacation) to raise bond levels between maps.
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Sneak 'n' Snore said:
Part of me really thinks they slotted out Azura midway through development for a more popular character, I don't know why else they'd make her the Revelation representative.
Maybe its also their way of "unifying" all 3 Fates routes under one character since Camilla's map is taken from Birthright while she herself is from Conquest:\

I like to think they want to make Soren good in Engage after mages sucking so badly in RD
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The Japanese intent was clearly she is a Conquest representative, but the localizers are pussies I guess and couldn't just call it "Ring of Conquest" so they decided to tell Azura fans to go fuck themselves instead.

Soren might be the best of this batch. He can turn mages into reasonably good enemy phasers who can effectively do good player phase damage to ensure they don't need babying unless they got one rounded, and they get Siege tomes for chip in a no MT game. Mind you Bolting has 2 whole MT but its still something. AOE damage engage attack also has its uses and wind + his unique skill can nuke flies.

Camilla seems great, but I don't think you can abuse her mobility enough unless letting Seadall fly changes dancer strats a ton. Her Dragon vein I've heard is dummy strong though. Its pretty good, but I don't think it is super broken unless their are too few mages on the map or something. Her stats also seem kind of eh.

Hector feels pretty fair from what I can tell, he seems like an Ike with worse bulk but better enemy phase offense enabling as he enables doubling with Quick Riposte and has a neat gimmick where he can "body block" spaces he isn't in so he can hold chokes. I personally think Ike is better as enemy phasing in Engage is more a bulk problem then an offense problem due to how mixed the offense is in this game and how high stats get, and I don't think lumbering around with a General with Hector is very good when you can go so much faster through the map without going General. He's probably broken in hard mode though due to dumber AI.

Soren is also based

 
Thank fuck for the recreation events being added. As iffy as I am on the characters, I still like getting all the supports, and not having a better way to raise them was one of my biggest gripes with the game.

As for the topic of Engage being casual friendly or not, I can definitely attest to saying that Leif's paralogue was not meant for casual players.
 
Jeff Boomhauer said:
Thank fuck for the recreation events being added. As iffy as I am on the characters, I still like getting all the supports, and not having a better way to raise them was one of my biggest gripes with the game.

As for the topic of Engage being casual friendly or not, I can definitely attest to saying that Leif's paralogue was not meant for casual players.
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I think the supports are like Awakening-tier ish. They're very tropey in spots, especially at the start, but they got some sauce if you dig really deep for it with A supports. So glad they made them easier to get, because the sketch support gains were not helping this game at all story and character wise.

Alfred I find a pretty good take on the "himbo" sort of character when taken at his full context. The fact he has a (Celine and Alfred A support spoiler) secret terminal illness that is ACTUALLY a secret to explain why he is a fitness freak is actually a pretty nice idea. I know some people think it needs more plot relevance to matter, but I disagree. Alfred's secret being a real secret is actually somewhat interesting for once as "secrets" in writing like this tend to be incredibly fucking obvious through flow chart trope dissection or them just saying it all the fucking time. It makes a lot of his upbeat and optimistic vibes have more to them then normal. If Alfred was just "that sick guy" he'd be worse for it and it'd feel too much like a trope or a checkbox, the fact his character isn't wholly defined by his illness makes more of a "positive" representation. It isn't god-tier writing at all, but it is more then I expected from Engage or most FE writing to be honest.
 
I do agree that most characters get better once you dig into their supports. The only exceptions imo are Louis and Etie. Etie feels like a retread of what the localization did to Effie in Fates, but somehow even less interesting.

I got Soren's Emblem Ring, and now I definitely see what people mean about him and Ike, because they have a short scene together where they reunite. I'm not familiar with either of Ike's games aside from a few characters, so I thought people were exaggerating about them being gay, like what happens with most works with two male characters that are friends.
 
Jeff Boomhauer said:
I do agree that most characters get better once you dig into their supports. The only exceptions imo are Louis and Etie. Etie feels like a retread of what the localization did to Effie in Fates, but somehow even less interesting.

I got Soren's Emblem Ring, and now I definitely see what people mean about him and Ike, because they have a short scene together where they reunite. I'm not familiar with either of Ike's games aside from a few characters, so I thought people were exaggerating about them being gay, like what happens with most works with two male characters that are friends.
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Etie is fucked by localization, the idea is she looks like a prime and proper maiden but she talks informal iirc, but they couldn't do that for some reason so they made her a meat head muscle bro except girl. That's why she's dressed like that yet talks about pumping iron and getting swole.

Soren and Ike are long time friends, Soren is an orphan and an outcast in a very racially charged society for being mixed race. In Tellius' treatment of mixed race people, half the races pretty much silently ignore you like you don't even exist and the other half presume you're some monster and throw you out of their village. So Ike being Soren's friend, because Ike is isolated from all the racially charged discourse until he's a young man, Soren is loyal despite him being a pessimistic asshole. He's also a racist himself, but that goes down as the story goes.

Ike is pretty much the one person Soren actually likes because of his upbringing, that's why he wants to be by his side. He respects the rest of his group, for the most part, but he actually likes Ike.

Soren X Ike shipping is just shippers taking a very touching and pretty reasonable platonic friendship and making it homo.
 
The Zekenator said:
Etie is fucked by localization, the idea is she looks like a prime and proper maiden but she talks informal iirc, but they couldn't do that for some reason so they made her a meat head muscle bro except girl. That's why she's dressed like that yet talks about pumping iron and getting swole
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You've conveniently left out the part where she stalks people who pissed her off (which is fairly easy)
 
The Zekenator said:
Etie is fucked by localization, the idea is she looks like a prime and proper maiden but she talks informal iirc, but they couldn't do that for some reason so they made her a meat head muscle bro except girl. That's why she's dressed like that yet talks about pumping iron and getting swole.

Soren and Ike are long time friends, Soren is an orphan and an outcast in a very racially charged society for being mixed race. In Tellius' treatment of mixed race people, half the races pretty much silently ignore you like you don't even exist and the other half presume you're some monster and throw you out of their village. So Ike being Soren's friend, because Ike is isolated from all the racially charged discourse until he's a young man, Soren is loyal despite him being a pessimistic asshole. He's also a racist himself, but that goes down as the story goes.

Ike is pretty much the one person Soren actually likes because of his upbringing, that's why he wants to be by his side. He respects the rest of his group, for the most part, but he actually likes Ike.

Soren X Ike shipping is just shippers taking a very touching and pretty reasonable platonic friendship and making it homo.
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!. It sounds like they pulled an Effie with the localization. I was disappointed in how boring localized Effie became, and it's not like she was peak writing to begin with. I know anime nerds love them some muscle girls, but surely they could have more nuance. The only Etie dialogue (in the game, period) I've found even remotely interesting so far is her support with Goldmary, and that's because Goldmary is such a bitch.

2. I guess I got caught up in what I heard about Ike and Soren and let it cloud my judgement. That sounds much more nuanced than, "I wanna fuck big Ike." I dunno why I'm surprised, as this isn't even remotely new with media, especially media from Japan (I'm an Ace Attorney fan, and that fandom is full of fangirls and homos obsessing over men who are friends/rivals and preaching that they're gay.)
 
The Zekenator said:
Alfred I find a pretty good take on the "himbo" sort of character when taken at his full context. The fact he has a (Celine and Alfred A support spoiler) secret terminal illness that is ACTUALLY a secret to explain why he is a fitness freak is actually a pretty nice idea. I know some people think it needs more plot relevance to matter, but I disagree. Alfred's secret being a real secret is actually somewhat interesting for once as "secrets" in writing like this tend to be incredibly fucking obvious through flow chart trope dissection or them just saying it all the fucking time. It makes a lot of his upbeat and optimistic vibes have more to them then normal. If Alfred was just "that sick guy" he'd be worse for it and it'd feel too much like a trope or a checkbox, the fact his character isn't wholly defined by his illness makes more of a "positive" representation. It isn't god-tier writing at all, but it is more then I expected from Engage or most FE writing to be honest.
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Now I feel guilty for leaving Alfred on the bench a long time ago (alongside of Bucheron, Vandel, Jean and the twins).
There are a bunch of bond dialogues I liked such as Diamant/Ivy rebuilding bridges in spite of the hostility between their homelands, the sweet sisterly love between Ivy and Ortenshia (even if Ortenshia is the daughter of the king's concubine), Celine & Stark both worrying about the well-being of their big brothers, Lapis hiding her lowly commoner blood, Yunaka trying to move on from her dark past, etc.

Most of the characters in Engage seem to be built around the philosophy of having easily understandable gimmicks with only their support reveals giving them more characterization. Like, you have to actively look for the nuances of these characters, often changing the context of their supports.

Jeff Boomhauer said:
2. I guess I got caught up in what I heard about Ike and Soren and let it cloud my judgement. That sounds much more nuanced than, "I wanna fuck big Ike." I dunno why I'm surprised, as this isn't even remotely new with media, especially media from Japan (I'm an Ace Attorney fan, and that fandom is full of fangirls and homos obsessing over men who are friends/rivals and preaching that they're gay.)
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Shipping is fine imo as long as it's not treated like serious business. Fujoshi are a peculiar bunch though.
 
BananaSplit² said:
Most of the characters in Engage seem to be built around the philosophy of having easily understandable gimmicks with only their support reveals giving them more characterization. Like, you have to actively look for the nuances of these characters, often changing the context of their supports.
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Frankly this is most characters in FE, especially non-lords.

Like in FE7, no one knows shit about Legault really outside of his supports despite him sounding important. He just mentions he is an old member of the Black Fang, who are an secondary antagonist group like the Four Hounds in Engage but marginally more developed and not quite as comical outside of 4edgy2me Jaffar.

Legault comes off as a pretty laid back character given he is a thief and an old time assassin, but his support with Nino (who is a young child and was a member of the Black Fang) shows he recognizes that Nino shouldn't live the life he lives. He pretty much says how when the story ends everyone else in the cast will just go home, but as former members of an assassin organization Legault notes that he and Nino have nothing to go back to as the Black Fang will be pretty much gone by the time the story is over.

Nino asks to follow him when he mentions he'll become a mountain bandit to get by because he knows nothing else, and Legault forcefully pushes her away and says that she can't follow him. Its kind of sad because this is probably one of the few supports where the relationship ends worse by the end as Legault pretty much forces Nino to do something else without him as her "Uncle Legault".

In Awakening, Cordelia's whole "I'm the perfect girl" trope is pretty much a smokescreen for her insecurity while everyone lauds and applauds her all the time which makes her feel worse.

Lou'qu has actually legitimate PTSD with women and his 2edgy4me and mastery of the blade life goal is a way for him to cope as he struggles to deal with women.

Vaike is the loud dumbass comic relief who reveals that he was some slum guy who was found by one of the main characters, and that he deeply respects Chrom because Vaike was just some nobody and because of his poor life he has a decent amount of insight beyond his wrestle-esque showboasting.

Gregor is funny talking probably Russian man (in the EN script anyway) who seems very simple, but similar to Vaike because he's an older guy with a lot of life experience he tends to provide very good advice and is very jovial. He is pretty much the stereotypical "funny talking russian man", but he's got some nice perspective to him and has a good head on his shoulders despite being a sword for hire considering he saved a dragon girl from being captured.

Fire Emblem asks a lot out of the player to get to know their characters, for better and for worse. Some games do better then others, Ike's games have base/prep screen conversations which help provide insight or intrigue for the side characters outside of the main cast sometimes it is just villagers talking about current events and obviously 3H has the monastery for better and for worse which can provide useful insight. For example you can see Dimitri go crazy in real time outside of BL if you talk to him over the course of the first 12 chapters.

Engage's problem is it has a lot of shitty C and Bs that feel like total filler, until A happens to really go somewhere, the Cs especially feel like filler a lot of the time.
 
actually got 3h. for my first fire emblem game and really the first time i've played anything like it i'm doing surprisingly ok with the actual battles
 
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