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G'raha is a bit a special case (and not in that way), considering the timeline he's from, the WoL and Scions died and basically had to wing the biggest hail mary pass in the universe and the only thing that kept him sane was the stories about the WoL that he read and were told about. Basically turned the WoL into a saint, then traveled back to the past and bring the WoL into the First.
The irony is that he is so selfless he can't see that his acts are far more heroic than the WoL's, because of the sheer time and effort he commited, 120 years is an unfathomable time to put a plan to, all to keep one world from dying, and twiddling about till you get to the right moment to summon your hero of choice.

I'd argue its one of the most heroic things ever done in any final fantasy, and he thinks nothing of it.
 
The irony is that he is so selfless he can't see that his acts are far more heroic than the WoL's, because of the sheer time and effort he commited, 120 years is an unfathomable time to put a plan to, all to keep one world from dying, and twiddling about till you get to the right moment to summon your hero of choice.

I'd argue its one of the most heroic things ever done in any final fantasy, and he thinks nothing of it.
This is why G'raha is one of my favorite characters, I'm just always irritated that the current writers have gone "WoL fanboy + uwu borgar eating catboi" for his personality, where I would much rather have the Crystal Exarch as an ally who can speak to the WoL as an equal and share his experiences with.

I still maintain Dawntrail would have been much better if they ditched the whole rite of succession thing and just had the first half of the MSQ where the WoL is wandering around, solving problems and looking for the lost city of gold. Then have Zoraal Ja kickstart the alexandria plot as normal. Rework Wuk to be a tour guide showing the WoL around and talking about the land and stuff. Keep the fact she's the adopted daughter of the current ruler as a later twist, that way she looks less like a tard going "wow I know fuck all about the people I want to rule"
 
It's funny that there are people TO THIS DAY that will smugly state "we're not the main character" of the expac, despite the fact we basically dragged Wuk through the entire race.

And they don't understand that they're generally misapplying that shit, to boot.

Yeah, fine, the story can be off the WoL. No one is complaining about that.

They're complaining that the replacement story we got in lieu of the WoL was shit.

Heavensward did something pretty similar to Dawntrail, in terms of putting the focus off of the WoL and focusing on other characters -- Alphinaud, Estinien, and Ysayle. Is the WoL driving the change and understanding and finding common ground with Estinien and Ysayle? No, that's Alphinaud, and we see that character development come out as they travel together and we just sort of step in when they get their shit pushed in (eg, Ravana.)

Strangely people liked that, even if Ysayle has a big heroic moment at the end of HW, we have to sit through Alphinaud being an obnoxious tit with the Crystal Braves shit (and then see him eat humble pie and have meaningful growth), and Estinien is the one who (IIRC) initially takes down Nidhogg.

Weirdly enough all of those characters are loved by fans. But people hate the moron trooncat who needs a handler to tard wrangle them so that they don't get kidnapped.
 
I still maintain Dawntrail would have been much better if they ditched the whole rite of succession thing and just had the first half of the MSQ where the WoL is wandering around, solving problems and looking for the lost city of gold. Then have Zoraal Ja kickstart the alexandria plot as normal. Rework Wuk to be a tour guide showing the WoL around and talking about the land and stuff. Keep the fact she's the adopted daughter of the current ruler as a later twist, that way she looks less like a tard going "wow I know fuck all about the people I want to rule"
You can have the same plot as the MSQ, all that was needed was a central character we actually fucking liked.
Also the entire succession thing has nothing to do with the Final Fantasy 9 shove in they did, unlike previous expacs where it was the main course, altered in a way to be a new plot, with 3 in Shadowbringers, 4 in Endwalker, ect.
Here its literal FF9 with mega-tech but a "what if Zidane didn't exist, and what if Gaia is the invading world" which is is weird because of how literal a copy of FF9 is beyond those two departures, just shoved into an ENTIRELY SEPERATE STORYLINE that is the Brazilian King Succession shit.
 
Heavensward did something pretty similar to Dawntrail, in terms of putting the focus off of the WoL and focusing on other characters -- Alphinaud, Estinien, and Ysayle. Is the WoL driving the change and understanding and finding common ground with Estinien and Ysayle? No, that's Alphinaud, and we see that character development come out as they travel together and we just sort of step in when they get their shit pushed in (eg, Ravana.)
Man, comparing DT to HW just makes me wanna slam some vodka. Shit's unironically depressing.
You can have the same plot as the MSQ, all that was needed was a central character we actually fucking liked.
Perfect example being her catboy brother. Infinitely more likeable and seems like he actually had his shit together. The fact they made the plot demand he quit the race and then made him a complete retard in 7.1 irked me a little.
 
Perfect example being her catboy brother. Infinitely more likeable and seems like he actually had his shit together. The fact they made the plot demand he quit the race and then made him a complete retard in 7.1 irked me a little.
Koana would have made a fantastic antagonist with the split between tradition and advancement, but alas we needed a lizard man with daddy issues
 
Koana would have made a fantastic antagonist with the split between tradition and advancement, but alas we needed a lizard man with daddy issues
I feel like they tried but utterly failed to capture what Zoraal Ja was suppose to be that Koana and Wuk were not: The Strongman. It wasn't tradition nor technology that stopped the war between the cats and the lizard, and the moblins kidnapping artisans for their wares, it was a powerful fucking warlord that basically said "Cut that shit out or die." To bring it back to a topic that was a page or two ago, they really didn't want people to think about how Gulool Ja Ja basically had to conquer and rule that place for 80 years till (almost) everyone's memory and history faded away.
 
I feel like they tried but utterly failed to capture what Zoraal Ja was suppose to be that Koana and Wuk were not: The Strongman. It wasn't tradition nor technology that stopped the war between the cats and the lizard, and the moblins kidnapping artisans for their wares, it was a powerful fucking warlord that basically said "Cut that shit out or die." To bring it back to a topic that was a page or two ago, they really didn't want people to think about how Gulool Ja Ja basically had to conquer and rule that place for 80 years till (almost) everyone's memory and history faded away.
I find the handwaving of how Gulool Ja Ja forged his "le peaceful empire" to be very funny. It's such shoddy worldbuilding in a world that I already felt like edged on the veneer of plausible and fantastical, and often handwaved a lot of things. (Like why is Eorzea still made up of city states? And how the fuck does Ishgard even survive buried under perpetual snow for like five years? Etc etc.)

But the way Tural was laid out takes the cake. It's akin to a childish scribble set against the competent crayon drawings of prior FFXIV worldbuilding.
 
Zoral Ja is just weaker Zenos, literally and character wise, he's overly emotional, insecure, unbending, pointlessly hateful and short-sighted.

Zenos is calm, deliberate, sure of his position over his father and thinks nothing of cutting him down, he's fully capable, single handily of enforcing his will and desire.

Imagine introducing a weaker copy to a previous villain, literally too, he isn't even close as physically strong even post enhancement.
 
Heavensward did something pretty similar to Dawntrail, in terms of putting the focus off of the WoL and focusing on other characters -- Alphinaud, Estinien, and Ysayle. Is the WoL driving the change and understanding and finding common ground with Estinien and Ysayle? No, that's Alphinaud, and we see that character development come out as they travel together and we just sort of step in when they get their shit pushed in (eg, Ravana.)

Strangely people liked that, even if Ysayle has a big heroic moment at the end of HW, we have to sit through Alphinaud being an obnoxious tit with the Crystal Braves shit (and then see him eat humble pie and have meaningful growth), and Estinien is the one who (IIRC) initially takes down Nidhogg.
The critical difference really is just that HW involved actual character growth from the people you go on the great big Coerthas roadtrip with, and actually somewhat interesting and compelling characters. Lots of ink has already been spilled about Alphinaud's time as a complete tit before the Crystal Braves debacle, and his growth after that.
But Ysayle in particular also starts HW as downright delusionally naive, and solidly two thirds of the story is a constant flow of punches to her worldview and beliefs that completely shatter those delusions, until she completely breaks down after finding out the truth about Shiva. I think this is a good arc, one that believably sets up her redemptive sacrifice at the end, when she has come to terms with her mistakes and decided that the way she can amend for them is to give everything she has to giving a chance for her companions to put down Thordan and end the war. I genuinely liked Ysayle's arc in HW, it was actually one of my favorite character stories in the game.

Trooncat, OTOH, both starts and ends the story with the exact same level of delusional naivety she walked onto screen showing off, and at no point whatsoever does the story do anything except affirm her idiocy. The entire narrative bends, at every opportunity, to make sure that everything is always coming up Wuk, and she never has to face any real setbacks, or grow as a character from having to reckon with anything resembling a mistake, because nothing ever goes wrong for Wuk Lamat.
 
Zoral Ja is just weaker Zenos, literally and character wise, he's overly emotional, insecure, unbending, pointlessly hateful and short-sighted.
One might say he was a distraction.

I genuinely liked Ysayle's arc in HW, it was actually one of my favorite character stories in the game.
With the exception of Wuk Lmao and the cast that came in from Dawntrail, I don't think I truly hate any other character arc. Some were rough but I saw the vision of what they were trying to do, some were out and out excellent, and some were ok.
 
I think this is a good arc, one that believably sets up her redemptive sacrifice at the end, when she has come to terms with her mistakes and decided that the way she can amend for them is to give everything she has to giving a chance for her companions to put down Thordan and end the war. I genuinely liked Ysayle's arc in HW, it was actually one of my favorite character stories in the game.
I like how Ysayle stuck to her guns, because all along her goal was to end the war in service of bringing the peace between Ishgardians and dragons she saw in her visions, which is noble but she was incredibly delusional about it. But it was the dream she'd lay down her life for, which makes her a hero. I've seen a lot of people argue up and down the writers are misogynist for not only killing her off but...not milking Ysayle's sacrifice as much as Haurchefant's. (And probably that a man, Estinien, survived and is going to continue to fight for her ideals in her stead.) Even though someone dying for us is much different, and has a different impact, than someone dying for what they believe in. But I digress.

Meanwhile the story tries to give Wuk Lamat a foil in the Endless version of Sphene to challenge her worldview but they can't even do that right. Instead it's mainly leveraged so she can reach out to Sphene and say "I understand you wanted to protect your people's smiles just like me!" ...why exactly? So she can, as the narrative main character of DT, have her own version of a WoL's "Remember that we once lived" moment with a sympathetic antagonist? It is pretty dumb and fake deep when there's absolutely no development for anyone.
 
understand you wanted to protect your people's smiles just like me!"
Which is retarded, Endless Sphene has no free will about it, she will consume the entire multiverse in an endlessly growing exponential energy requirement problem because she has to, by her programming law.

It's still baffling Calyx saw this as escaping mortality, it has a very fixed end date, one the universe runs out of Aether, it's over, and it would happen at an insane exponential rate
 
And they don't understand that they're generally misapplying that shit, to boot.

Yeah, fine, the story can be off the WoL. No one is complaining about that.

They're complaining that the replacement story we got in lieu of the WoL was shit.

Heavensward did something pretty similar to Dawntrail, in terms of putting the focus off of the WoL and focusing on other characters -- Alphinaud, Estinien, and Ysayle. Is the WoL driving thchange and understanding and finding common ground with Estinien and Ysayle? No, that's Alphinaud, and we see that character development come out as they travel together and we just sort of step in when they get their shit pushed in (eg, Ravana.)

Strangely people liked that, even if Ysayle has a big heroic moment at the end of HW, we have to sit through Alphinaud being an obnoxious tit with the Crystal Braves shit (and then see him eat humble pie and have meaningful growth), and Estinien is the one who (IIRC) initially takes down Nidhogg.

Weirdly enough all of those characters are loved by fans. But people hate the moron trooncat who needs a handler to tard wrangle them so that they don't get kidnapped.
I genuinely despise it when people say Wuk haters are just mad because they have main character syndrome and want to be special snowflakes the entire time. Or that all of those who have an issue with DT are just ShB and EW fans. No people don’t have an issue sharing the spotlight with other characters and it has nothing to do with liking ShB and EW. People have an issue when said characters are horribly written and insufferable. Other expansions had us sharing the spotlight with multiple characters and almost all of them are very widely beloved because guess what they’re (mostly) well written and likable! Not only that but those characters would at least fuck off and leave the story when they weren’t needed while Wuk is permanently glued to us. DT is literally the only time I’ve seen people hate sharing the spotlight with another character and those people have a very good reason to.

DT has the most toxic and immature fanbase out of all the expansions in this game. They get so butthurt that their beloved DT is hated that they will go out of their way to tear down other expansions out of jealousy and envy in ways I’ve never see fans of other expansions do. And of course the main targets of their ire are ShB and EW because of their popularity. DT fans always go one about how much they hate fans of ShB and EW and throw wild accusations around that those ShB/EW fans who hate DT just want those two expansions over and over or they’re mad they aren’t special main characters in DT yet I very rarely if ever see ShB and EW fans even talk about DT at all or bash it to praise their favorite expansions.

I’m so sorry for this MATI screed but this is literally the only place I can voice my frustrations with DT and its simps without the possibility of getting dogpiled. This site is the only one that filters them out. Even “serious” discussion sub reddits that are more critical of the game and the story like r/FFXIVdiscussion have people sneaking around to mass downvote others or get mad. r/shitpostxiv also got taken over by DT simps despite the fact that they had no issue ripping the MSQ to shreds in the past. They also went as far as to ban any negative discussion on Sena. Though yet again that sub is full of contrarians that go against whatever the popular opinion is on the main sub and it’s hard to tell who is sincere and who is shitposting.
 
Hot take: I hate that we call her Trooncat, there is so much wrong with Wuk Lmao and her being voiced by a troon is legit one of the few fixable ones.
You're right that it is fixable and that it deflects away from the other larger issues inherent with the character.

I just find the performance from Sena to be so odious. Incidentally, what's that retard been up to?


lol
 
Incidentally, what's that retard been up to?
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OOF.

It's hilarious, because he probably thought Dawntrail was gonna be his big break in the industry. Last I saw of him, he was begging for rent money on Bluesky because he couldn't find work. :lol:
 
Hot take: I hate that we call her Trooncat, there is so much wrong with Wuk Lmao and her being voiced by a troon is legit one of the few fixable ones.
She's not a well written character even with different voice acting. The different language dubs fix some issues (like in the german dub, she actually sounds angry when Zoraal Ja kills Gulool Ja Ja) but the writer didn't make this terrible character with THIS IS A TRANNY in mind. The issues are on a fundamental level like how she clearly isn't even the same character they wrote in the post Endwalker patch.

It's still baffling Calyx saw this as escaping mortality, it has a very fixed end date, one the universe runs out of Aether, it's over, and it would happen at an insane exponential rate
Calyx is a retard and not in a way where "the terminally ill kid freaks out and acts dumber than his child prodigy intelligence because he's scared of death and doesn't think rationally".

That being said the tendency to treat Endless Sphene like a person when her conflict was that she's literally bound by her programmed in personality AND programmed in directives is ridiculous. But I guess in real life people are treating GPT-4o like their "lover" that OpenAI killed when they released GPT-5 so this isn't that off from reality.
 
Zoral Ja is just weaker Zenos, literally and character wise, he's overly emotional, insecure, unbending, pointlessly hateful and short-sighted.

Zenos is calm, deliberate, sure of his position over his father and thinks nothing of cutting him down, he's fully capable, single handily of enforcing his will and desire.

Imagine introducing a weaker copy to a previous villain, literally too, he isn't even close as physically strong even post enhancement.
I'll counter and say a better parallel to Zoraal Ja is Vauthry. A narcissistic lordling told from birth he was special and destined to rule, wants to bend the entire world to his will, uses a paper-thin justification of benevolence to disguise his god complex (remember how Zoraal Ja he wanted to teach the people of Tural the hardships of war or some shit and then it never came up again?) and ends up becoming physically warped by his obsession into the miniboss before the real final boss of the expac (Emet Selch and Sphene) reveal themselves to be evil.

The difference is that Vauthry was allowed to be openly shallow and hateable from his introduction, and we were allowed to lean into him and the Eulmore that created him being transparently immoral, whereas we have almost no explanation for what made Zoraal Ja so fixated on power despite a healthy environment and loving father (so dedicated he would personally track down his adopted daughter in the jungle, yet not dedicated enough to tell his trueborn son to stop being such a faggot, not even showing an attempt).

Also, the fact that Vauthry is so nakedly evil makes him more threatening despite being played as a morbidly obese baby, because he's got a genuine conviction in his god complex and is doing such grotesque things like ordering a man to hack his own arm off for entertainment, and mind-controlling his people by feeding them ground-up light-infused zombie flesh, that his narcissism, backed up by the sin-eaters who have already destroyed most of the world, is completely unpredictable and scary.
Zoraal Ja, who on the other hand is set up as the main villain with no bigger threat behind him like Emet Selch was for Vauthry, just acts like he's throwing a temper tantrum for attention. And instead of the sin-eaters, he's backed up by... remote control drones. Who kill 2 people before they're stopped by cowboys with nerf guns.

I find the handwaving of how Gulool Ja Ja forged his "le peaceful empire" to be very funny. It's such shoddy worldbuilding in a world that I already felt like edged on the veneer of plausible and fantastical, and often handwaved a lot of things. (Like why is Eorzea still made up of city states? And how the fuck does Ishgard even survive buried under perpetual snow for like five years? Etc etc.)

But the way Tural was laid out takes the cake. It's akin to a childish scribble set against the competent crayon drawings of prior FFXIV worldbuilding.

You ever notice how they said Bakool Ja Ja got his place in the trials to become Dawnservant by winning a fighting tournament? The only candidates for the nation's future ruler are the former warrior-king's adopted children, two of whom are trained primarily as warriors themselves, and the nation's best fighter. I guess there's no way for a Hanuhanu or a Pelupelu to become the Dawnservant because they wouldn't have a chance in hell beating a lizard or hroth in single combat. For all the talk of peace, it sure seems like the number one requirement for becoming the ruler of Tural is being able to beat people to a pulp.
 
he's backed up by... remote control drones.
and the electrope juice, which wasn't even enough to let him beat his own Dad till he basically added a 1-Up to himself so he could pull it off, that alone should have convinced him it was fucked, especially since WoL is significantly stronger than his Dad, who he barely ecked out a cheap win on.
 
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