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The Zekenator said:
The most offensive, to me, is the absolutely unhinged AU writing from people who can't read the story or the lore and can't quite pinpoint how this prompt works within the broader story that already exists. They're just too enraptured with their crap that they throw good lore out for bad and try to drag other people into it in some Discord server or linkshell. I've seen people try to RP as void summoning cultists, primal summoners that will totally be 100% not cracked down on, we had a Garlean Guerilla warfare communism division unit to push back the Garleans...somehow somewhere because the WoL and grand companies don't matter posted ITT awhile back.

I've seen people just fuck up even basic ideas and concepts of what the WoL is, and just fucking everything really has showed up if you look around. It is just bad fanfiction that tries to expand on shit people think is canon. You usually see this with underexplored things like moon cats, Duskwight, Viera in-general, or Xaela tribes people characters.
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Sorry to powerlevel here, but I remember being a member of a resistance LS for Doma(?) and there was this female keeper of the moon miqo'te who RPed as an arcanist who wanted to get revenge on the Garleans who oppressed her clan. The caveat, however, was that she wanted to collect souls of the fallen garlean soldiers to torture and the leader did not approve of this.

I don't remember what the nuances of the argument was or what was said entirely, but he said that the Doman resistance was supported by Eorzean companies and if they heard necromancy like that was being used they'd pull their support and hunt her down.

It was getting really heated and eventually she just throws her hands up and says "But I thought RP was about escapism? :thinking:". The conversation continues and I remember this exact quote "This is fucking escapism. This is how I fucking escape from real life. What you're doing right now is gatekeeping and I really don't fucking appreciate it. Reality is fucking harsh already as it is and it doesn't need people like you making it worse."

She just left after that situation and it prompted the leader putting up an announcement saying they apologize for the toxicity displayed in the character-prompt tab, but we need to maintain integrity with the game's lore and there are certain traits we simply cannot approve of. It was the most autistic thing I'd ever seen in an RP discord.
 
Dave. said:
Sorry to powerlevel here, but I remember being a member of a resistance LS for Doma(?) and there was this female keeper of the moon miqo'te who RPed as an arcanist who wanted to get revenge on the Garleans who oppressed her clan. The caveat, however, was that she wanted to collect souls of the fallen garlean soldiers to torture and the leader did not approve of this.

I don't remember what the nuances of the argument was or what was said entirely, but he said that the Doman resistance was supported by Eorzean companies and if they heard necromancy like that was being used they'd pull their support and hunt her down.

It was getting really heated and eventually she just throws her hands up and says "But I thought RP was about escapism? :thinking:". The conversation continues and I remember this exact quote "This is fucking escapism. This is how I fucking escape from real life. What you're doing right now is gatekeeping and I really don't fucking appreciate it. Reality is fucking harsh already as it is and it doesn't need people like you making it worse."

She just left after that situation and it prompted the leader putting up an announcement saying they apologize for the toxicity displayed in the character-prompt tab, but we need to maintain integrity with the game's lore and there are certain traits we simply cannot approve of. It was the most autistic thing I'd ever seen in an RP discord.
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"I want to RP in this setting."
Setting says you're going to get fucked for doing this and in-character I have to stop you from hindering our in-character mission.
"OMG I'M JUST HAVING AN ESCAPIST FANTASY WOW STOP GATEKEEPING ME!!!"

That discord I recall was extremely funny though. Too bad you glowed like the fucking sun and it got locked down
 
Dave. said:
Sorry to powerlevel here, but I remember being a member of a resistance LS for Doma(?) and there was this female keeper of the moon miqo'te who RPed as an arcanist who wanted to get revenge on the Garleans who oppressed her clan. The caveat, however, was that she wanted to collect souls of the fallen garlean soldiers to torture and the leader did not approve of this.

I don't remember what the nuances of the argument was or what was said entirely, but he said that the Doman resistance was supported by Eorzean companies and if they heard necromancy like that was being used they'd pull their support and hunt her down.

It was getting really heated and eventually she just throws her hands up and says "But I thought RP was about escapism? :thinking:". The conversation continues and I remember this exact quote "This is fucking escapism. This is how I fucking escape from real life. What you're doing right now is gatekeeping and I really don't fucking appreciate it. Reality is fucking harsh already as it is and it doesn't need people like you making it worse."

She just left after that situation and it prompted the leader putting up an announcement saying they apologize for the toxicity displayed in the character-prompt tab, but we need to maintain integrity with the game's lore and there are certain traits we simply cannot approve of. It was the most autistic thing I'd ever seen in an RP discord.
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I'm gonna poke at the powerleveling thing a bit, but this Doman resistance group didn't happen to be based in Mateus, did it?

I'm asking mostly because I very briefly interacted with a similar-sounding group during the time I was on Mateus, and honestly, their group was kind of a clusterfuck from the get-go, if just because they set forth the premise of inviting adventurers to join them in discussing the prospect of helping their resistance, and then basically kidnapping everybody on-board a ship bound for the Far East while the meeting was taking place, which, even though this was definitely the thing that was happening here, they tried to act like it was a perfectly fine thing to do because "anyone who doesn't want to join can just go back to Eorzea". You know, totally disregarding the fact that most people can't travel by teleportation so easily, so you've basically taken people against their will halfway across the world to basically coerce them into risking their lives fighting to take back your country.
 
The Zekenator said:
"I want to RP in this setting."
Setting says you're going to get fucked for doing this and in-character I have to stop you from hindering our in-character mission.
"OMG I'M JUST HAVING AN ESCAPIST FANTASY WOW STOP GATEKEEPING ME!!!"

That discord I recall was extremely funny though. Too bad you glowed like the fucking sun and it got locked down
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Apparently the FC disappeared after that fiasco. All records and discord accounts of it existing are now gone. Learned my lesson though. I've been keeping a low profile.
 
The Zekenator said:
"I want to RP in this setting."
Setting says you're going to get fucked for doing this and in-character I have to stop you from hindering our in-character mission.
"OMG I'M JUST HAVING AN ESCAPIST FANTASY WOW STOP GATEKEEPING ME!!!"

That discord I recall was extremely funny though. Too bad you glowed like the fucking sun and it got locked down
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The RPing autist in me (Tabletop, never in XIV. IMO the setting (especially with the MSQ) isn't flexible enough to really allow it. Besides, never could get my head around RPing in a video game.) just fucking twitches at that.

Not only is it such a dick move to your fellow RPers, but it totally spits on the setting itself, which you presumably have a lot of love for if you want to create stories and characters in. I remember when we used to viciously mock normies like this. The half dragon half elf half vampire half gargoyle bard gag and all.
 
I'm 99% sure this shit was mentioned earlier in the thread.

And the hilarious thing about RP (and why it fucking sucks) is that 'good' RP is like improv. It's a lot of "yes, and...", which a lot of these retards can't manage. They have their set narrative, and gosh dangit, they're gonna be the specialest Viera who was sekreetly raised as a Moon Tribe Miq'ote and has Haurchefant, Aymeric and Thancred as BFs and ain't no one gonna derail that.

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Not only is it such a dick move to your fellow RPers, but it totally spits on the setting itself, which you presumably have a lot of love for if you want to create stories and characters in. I remember when we used to viciously mock normies like this. The half dragon half elf half vampire half gargoyle bard gag and all.
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This shit is dumb but has been slowly getting 'enabled' thanks to the popularity of 5e D&D and whatever the live Twitch shit is (Critical Role?) Not a grognard, but there's a million and one races outside of the usual elf/halfling/dwarf/half-elf/etc. options (Aasimar! Dragonborn! Tieflings! Etc!) that having a super special character is the norm.

Which is fine. If you wanna be a dragonman, cool, whatever. But so many people conflate exotic race (or class or whatever) with interesting character.

RPing in a video game is...fine...I guess. But so many people are fucking functionally illiterate (and degenerate) that it's a toss up that whatever RP is going to either be Sonichu levels of literary genius or a thinly veiled attempt at ERP. Not worth it.
 
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Local Degenerate said:
The RPing autist in me (Tabletop, never in XIV. IMO the setting (especially with the MSQ) isn't flexible enough to really allow it. Besides, never could get my head around RPing in a video game.) just fucking twitches at that.

Not only is it such a dick move to your fellow RPers, but it totally spits on the setting itself, which you presumably have a lot of love for if you want to create stories and characters in. I remember when we used to viciously mock normies like this. The half dragon half elf half vampire half gargoyle bard gag and all.
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I'm a text RP autist with some TTRPG experience, because I can never find a group of people who fit what I want as I am both a wargamer/character optimizer and an RPer so I like to have both things at least competently to enjoy myself and most are only decent at one and not the other. So I despise this type of shit to my very core.

Personally doing RP within an established franchise and series like FFXIV (or just anything really) setting just irritates me as a hobbyist writer to write within. Not because of how uncreative it can seem, but because I never feel I can fully do justice to the setting and I feel like so much needs to be aligned well for me to get into it without me feeling like I'm just writing horrible fanfiction. I think FFXIV as a setting is broad enough to allow things to occur as long as you can answer the MSQ question of where your story fits in within those events. I remember one actually good RP group a friend of mine is in did an RP based around 1.X before it got nuked.

Even small scale conflict that the WoL has no need to be involved in can be compelling enough to approach for some reasonable length of time in this setting given how many little things exist for you to latch onto. Xaela tribes for example have reasonable potential for something, so can a slice of life sort of RP based around rebuilding post Garlean conquest or post HW Ishgard. You can also attempt to hand wave a small amount of things and play the MSQ itself with a very small group of people (like say a four man party), that much I did try for awhile with one other person and it was fine when we just presumed we both exist as a WoL though we never did ShB together which would have made things a lot more complicated.

I just can't fathom wanting to AU RP the shit out of FFXIV, there's so much here that I can't fathom how much you really need to bend before you just are mucking up the original intent of the setting. You might as well just make your own thing, that to me just feels easier in my mind.
Well Intentioned said:
I'm 99% sure this shit was mentioned earlier in the thread.

And the hilarious thing about RP (and why it fucking sucks) is that 'good' RP is like improv. It's a lot of "yes, and...", which a lot of these retards can't manage. They have their set narrative, and gosh dangit, they're gonna be the specialest Viera who was sekreetly raised as a Moon Tribe Miq'ote and has Haurchefant, Aymeric and Thancred as BFs and ain't no one gonna derail that.

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This shit is dumb but has been slowly getting 'enabled' thanks to the popularity of 5e D&D and whatever the live Twitch shit is (Critical Role?) Not a grognard, but there's a million and one races outside of the usual elf/halfling/dwarf/half-elf/etc. options (Aasimar! Dragonborn! Tieflings! Etc!) that having a super special character is the norm.

Which is fine. If you wanna be a dragonman, cool, whatever. But so many people conflate exotic race (or class or whatever) with interesting character.

RPing in a video game is...fine...I guess. But so many people are fucking functionally illiterate (and degenerate) that it's a toss up that whatever RP is going to either be Sonichu levels of literary genius or a thinly veiled attempt at ERP. Not worth it.
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The thing I've come to understand (just as a whole and not just in FFXIV) is most RPers suck at making characters who are malleable. They make can a concept, that they usually steal from somewhere and lightly tweak, but can't illustrate what that concept even is or where it fits because it is mostly just some dumb power fantasy or self-insert that wins. It is just a straight line progression narrative and not an actual prompt or jumping off point to anything.

I personally subscribe to the idea that a relevant character who is meant to be involved in a story should be made as if it is proposing a question to the world itself and the world is meant to respond back in some way through other characters, its setting's rules, or whatever else you want to use. Once you do that, you just run with that as if you're in something of an argument with the world itself as you struggle to either maintain your character as they were or they just have to change to fit the environment around them. At least that's how I personally try to write things and it usually ensures I can maintain characters with some sense of purpose that can bounce off with others in some way, even when in some RPs I've been in I have half a dozen plus characters I run at once.

Also Critical Role has fucked up TTRPGs forever with how many fucking people try to copy them with their shitty acting and terrible voices that aren't even attempting to be fun like the guy who tries to talk like Gimli because he's a Dwarf. With how Critical Role is structured everyone swears they're on live TV or something and thus they feel like the DM needs to just give them their big scene every fucking session for the nonexistent audience.
 
Personally doing RP within an established franchise and series like FFXIV (or just anything really) setting just irritates me as a hobbyist writer to write within. Not because of how uncreative it can seem, but because I never feel I can fully do justice to the setting and I feel like so much needs to be aligned well for me to get into it without me feeling like I'm just writing horrible fanfiction. I think FFXIV as a setting is broad enough to allow things to occur as long as you can answer the MSQ question of where your story fits in within those events. I remember one actually good RP group a friend of mine is in did an RP based around 1.X before it got nuked.
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@The Zekenator

Personally, I don't mind setting RPs, largely because it's how I got my start, back on old forums back in the day, and there's a lot of fun you can have exploring themes a setting brings up in different ways, or, fuck, just embracing the cringe and going full on shitty fanfic, within the limits of good taste amongst your friend group, obviously (so, ya know, necromancing catgirl beloved by all can still eat shit). And while Eorzea is broad enough to allow good situations to play out, I still just can't really gel with it for some reason. Maybe I should try again, just to stretch my own creative muscles.

I just can't fathom wanting to AU RP the shit out of FFXIV, there's so much here that I can't fathom how much you really need to bend before you just are mucking up the original intent of the setting. You might as well just make your own thing, that to me just feels easier in my mind.
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With the exception of 200% over-the-top stupid shit (like the FFD20 book, which just says 'fuck it, every FF continent is on the same planet, go'), or entire timeline alterations (A friend of mine set a XIV RP in a setting where Garlemald had decimated the proto Eorzean alliance which was a pretty neat idea.) AU's in general just fucking baffle me. To me, half the fun of setting RPs is working in a confined set of rules. Like a challenge run for writing, if you will. If you're just going to use the same setting, but tweak the rules to adjust for your character, like you said, why fucking bother? Rhetorical question, it's to have their super special self insert knock-off character be beloved by all of the characters they want to fuck.

Seeing in game RP, plus the absolute barren wasteland that TTRPG has become has been such a black pill. I know there's always been shitty fanfic writers and RPers, but when mixed with the recent trend of damn near fetishizing failure meaning they'll never improve, it just hits harder.


But, because I hate ending posts as an absolute doomer, I've just caught up on the MSQ, and while the story lift in the 6.0 patch quests is blatant, I'm still super happy to see the Four Fiends actually given an attempt at fitting in with the world. Viera remain the top of my shit list in large part because of how lazy their implementation, from lore to design was. So, seeing these good boys (and girl) get some redesigns and actually get a reason for them being just makes me smile a bit.

Edit: Clarifying what part of the story I'm spoiling.
 
Final Fantasy XIV autists playing Theatrhythm be like:

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(its lowest difficulty setting lol)


 
I once was in a TTRPG group that was mostly performing types, be it theater or open mic or improv or whatever. It was surprisingly chill - people bounced off of each other, there was a joint dedication towards collaborative storytelling, and we had some players who weren't as charismatic but didn't try to be, and who played off of that personality difference in the interplay itself. That was a long, long time ago, though; I assume now it's all a barren wasteland of idiots who think they'll be the next hot thing and ramrod godawful accents and attention-whoring snowflakes. We should totally record our sessions, guys!!!! we'll be youtube famous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Local Degenerate said:
Besides, never could get my head around RPing in a video game.
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I did it when I was like... less than half the age I am now. There's a certain charm in the expediency and low barrier to entry of it - there's that allure, when you don't know better, of the unknown and of meeting interesting people and interesting ideas in this thing that you spend a good chunk of your time with.

Of course, now I both play games far less and know far better that what's out there is complete dogwater. Given that most people are barely capable of 'writing' more than a sentence or two in any decent space of time (despite spending the better part of their entire fucking days on a computer game that requires you to be mildly familiar with a keyboard), the most you can hope for 90% of the time is that they're able to write dialogue. Aaaaaand they can't, because these are turbo-autists who don't talk to anyone in the real world yet who also don't fucking read anything. Their idea of dialogue is coomer anime. Their 'feedback' is from other retards who last read a book in kindergarten telling them they're SO GOOD!!!! You begin to realize that people with writing ability, and the potential to improve, self-select themselves out of the pool, and for good reason.
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And the hilarious thing about RP (and why it fucking sucks) is that 'good' RP is like improv.
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It's all fundamentally collaborative storytelling, which is indeed why some people like to dip into it as a way to stay limber. When you don't have executive control over a scene, it can be interesting to see the ways that someone else will take and roll with a concept - insert their own, reinterpret your input, so-on. There's even a certain marvel in 'normalcy': some of the most entertaining improv can come about when nothing funny has actually happened, but the people on stage have maintained a 'normal' scene and setting for a long time without breaking. In the same way, writing with someone else and having a coherent-if-mundane story is enjoyable in itself, since it can give you creative insight on how someone else looks at the everyday.

But if you've never done improv, it's impossible to communicate just how cumbersome it is to be up there with someone who's bad at it. In audience-participation improv shows this is par for the course, of course, and your goal there is to try to bounce off of your partner's poor ability to make the scene funny by playing around with the audience's perception that your partner is obviously hot garbage -- but roleplaying doesn't really have audiences. You're dipping into it more for your own creative fulfillment, and when you realize that everyone doing it in the game is operating at an atrocious, barely-fifth-grade literacy level with about as much depth as your bog standard shounen, you realize it's not just an exercise in creative futility - it's an exercise in creative fatality. Also, like 95% of it is just a prelude to *jerks u off OwO*
 
I fucked up a lot early on in ultimate because I'm used to the old Curtain Call beatmaps for a lot of these songs but it's way more fun to play everything on ultimate, at least you can tank through a bunch of bullshit like before if the clear is all you need
 
Autistic Monkey said:
Made the mistake of typing "ffxiv diapen" instead of "ffxiv diadem" to google and found the reason why addons shouldn't be allowed.
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You haven't seen nothing until you've seen people who modify their mount animations so that it looks like they're being fucked by the mount while riding them.

Or, you know. Generally anything having to do with Lalafells, size queens, vore lovers, cheese pizza, the list goes on.
 
"The best argument against democracy is that the creator of the ffxiv diaper mod's vote counts the same as yours." -Winston Churchill

I missed Eorzea so I renewed my subscription a couple of days ago. I haven't played since September. Currently in post-Stormblood working with the Sultana on a plan to get Ala Mhigans to go be poor somewhere else. Very comfy.
 
Local Degenerate said:
But, because I hate ending posts as an absolute doomer, I've just caught up on the MSQ, and while the story lift in the 6.0 patch quests is blatant, I'm still super happy to see the Four Fiends actually given an attempt at fitting in with the world. Viera remain the top of my shit list in large part because of how lazy their implementation, from lore to design was. So, seeing these good boys (and girl) get some redesigns and actually get a reason for them being just makes me smile a bit.

Edit: Clarifying what part of the story I'm spoiling.
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I prefer subtle references like that. Other good examples are Nael being a stand in for Sephiroth and a very subtle reference to Red XIII in an Aether Current quest.

Rich Evans Ayypologist said:
But if you've never done improv, it's impossible to communicate just how cumbersome it is to be up there with someone who's bad at it. In audience-participation improv shows this is par for the course, of course, and your goal there is to try to bounce off of your partner's poor ability to make the scene funny by playing around with the audience's perception that your partner is obviously hot garbage -- but roleplaying doesn't really have audiences. You're dipping into it more for your own creative fulfillment, and when you realize that everyone doing it in the game is operating at an atrocious, barely-fifth-grade literacy level with about as much depth as your bog standard shounen, you realize it's not just an exercise in creative futility - it's an exercise in creative fatality. Also, like 95% of it is just a prelude to *jerks u off OwO*
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I know not everyone can do improv. I love Whose Line is it Anway and I envy some people's ability to make shit up on the fly. Their improv game is near superhuman.
 
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