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I wouldn't particularly trust Reddit's take on it. Please explain how any government on earth would enforce "potential permanent ban from use of a computer."
My question is: why does Gshade have permissions to reboot your compy? Has it always had them? Or was this a spiteful gambit by the guy, such that when a call is made to his functions from an unexpected point of origin, it returns something that can only reboot the computer if the thread calling it has those permissions? The wording on the discord post suggests he's angling for this - "You are calling a function that you don't control or know, and so I could insert whatever I wanted into that function without your knowledge, and you would be distributing something that called whatever I put in there."
Generally-speaking, the creator's right about that. If you're installing a mod and you can't grok the code, you're acting on complete faith of your own volition - you're in many ways on the hook because it isn't a consumer product. If you're also yoinking someone else's work without their permission by making calls to their functions (whose names you might be able to see, say, but whose 'guts' might be hidden), then you're banking on the hope that someone doesn't put something like this in there. You could do it with just about any mod, if you wanted to. This avenue could be used to do something more obviously criminally actionable, like ransomware, but both the designer of Gshade and the designer of whatever thing is stealing Gshade's functions would effectively be on the hook if the latter unknowingly distributed it. It almost sounds to me like the 'reshade' or whatever also doesn't sanitize the inputs / returns, which is just asking for trouble.
My question is: why does Gshade have permissions to reboot your compy? Has it always had them? Or was this a spiteful gambit by the guy, such that when a call is made to his functions from an unexpected point of origin, it returns something that can only reboot the computer if the thread calling it has those permissions? The wording on the discord post suggests he's angling for this - "You are calling a function that you don't control or know, and so I could insert whatever I wanted into that function without your knowledge, and you would be distributing something that called whatever I put in there."
Generally-speaking, the creator's right about that. If you're installing a mod and you can't grok the code, you're acting on complete faith of your own volition - you're in many ways on the hook because it isn't a consumer product. If you're also yoinking someone else's work without their permission by making calls to their functions (whose names you might be able to see, say, but whose 'guts' might be hidden), then you're banking on the hope that someone doesn't put something like this in there. You could do it with just about any mod, if you wanted to. This avenue could be used to do something more obviously criminally actionable, like ransomware, but both the designer of Gshade and the designer of whatever thing is stealing Gshade's functions would effectively be on the hook if the latter unknowingly distributed it. It almost sounds to me like the 'reshade' or whatever also doesn't sanitize the inputs / returns, which is just asking for trouble.
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I would assume continual monitoring by the feds is involved. There's a number of people out there in the world who have been prohibited by federal law from the use of a computer or any such device with capabilities on par with a computer. IIRC, Kevin Mitnick faced a similar situation after serving his prison sentence, but they eased up on the sentence after a year.
I really don't think the feds would get involved with something as trivial as this, though. It's not exactly a government system-compromising type of software, nor is it a worm or virus forcing itself onto other people's systems. At worst, it could probably considered a form of ransomware.
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I dunno...infecting countless computers of strangers you don't know just for some gotcha on some little girl on the internet is pretty fucking retarded and up there with the cringe fest this game's community seems inclined to endlessly produce.
Edit: The guy who pulled this dumb shit is now in damage control mode and issued an apology, but the damage has been done. You don't secretively put malware into another person's computer just to spite some stranger on the internet, tell everyone that you could do a lot worse to them and then deflect blame from yourself by saying the person who didn't even know the malware was in the program while distributing it is the real one at fault. That shows a lack of accountability and a level of petty maliciousness that is practically par for the course in this community by this point. You don't come back from that and to think people will be stupid enough to give a snake like you a chance after this is exceptionally exceptional.
Edit: The guy who pulled this dumb shit is now in damage control mode and issued an apology, but the damage has been done. You don't secretively put malware into another person's computer just to spite some stranger on the internet, tell everyone that you could do a lot worse to them and then deflect blame from yourself by saying the person who didn't even know the malware was in the program while distributing it is the real one at fault. That shows a lack of accountability and a level of petty maliciousness that is practically par for the course in this community by this point. You don't come back from that and to think people will be stupid enough to give a snake like you a chance after this is exceptionally exceptional.
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And while theoretically possible, it does come off as... well, absurd, right? You'd practically need the person to be under house arrest in order to monitor them so thoroughly - eyeing up not only purchases on credit (easy) but also cash, and ensuring that they don't somehow just connect with a cash-bought computer to someone else's wifi by monitoring spikes in electricity usage that might suggest their operating a computer? As you concluded, it's all rather excessive for this scenario.
Infecting is the wrong word for what it sounds like he's doing, because killing the process is the exact same use-case. So to say, if he just had an improper call to his functions cause the process to die, people would probably think "oh, it's bugged, doesn't work" and go on with their days. Rebooting the computer would be done through the exact same avenue. I wouldn't be surprised if this is how it changes, either - rather than a computer restart, he'll just have the code brick third-party libraries and software making calls to his copyrighted shit.
His point, that people making these third-party tools and external libraries that effectively steal whatever his content was (I know little and less about Gshade, so I assume his copyrighted assets are just UX or something) expose you to malicious code because they quite really don't know the exact details of what they're calling, will doubtlessly get lost because if you don't fuck with programming even at just a hobbyist level it's arcane. If you make something on top of someone else's (apparently proprietary? if he has a copyright) software, you distribute it, and you don't sanitize inputs or restrict its permissions, that's ultimately negligence that makes you culpable alongside the guy who inserted the malicious code into the original.
Which seems appropriate - both the Gshade and the Reshade or whatever idiots strike me as in the wrong here. Gshade moron should've demonstrated on his own closed system what he could change about Gshade and subsequently cause the thieving programs to do, in order to drive home that the people who were (from the sounds of things) illegally redistributing his software were exposing end users to some pretty heinous risks. Just throwing that out there live to everyone loses the plot.
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What a retard. This stupid little stunt of his will probably get him considered a risk and potentially blacklisted from tech companies, at least if they do research on him and look at his portfolio during the hiring process. You shouldn't dictate what people should or shouldn't have installed. Get fucked.
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From my understanding, gshade is open source, I don't believe it's copyrighted by anyone. It's basically supposed to be a "better" version of reshade. The whole reason he put that code in there was because he was assmad that someone made a tool to be used with his program to benefit reshade and he wanted people to exlusively use only his program. Instead of having a chat with this Nite broad, he instead tries to teach her a "lesson" by putting that code in specifically so that her tool would activate it and then point the finger at her that her tool is causing all of this, ignoring that putting codes into a program that tells someone's computer to do certain things without their knowledge and consent is a pretty big yikes. Especially if done for an extremely petty reason. None of this would have happened had he been an adult and talked with Nite about it. He reacted the absolute worst way anyone could in this situation.
And I mean, people who use these mods and programs know that they use these programs at their own risk, but the real point of contention is that the dev implied he could do worse without anyone even knowing and this whole fiasco started because he was pissed at some chick on the internet for making a tool that took assets from his program and decided to throw a massive tantrum about it that affected thousands of other people more than the person he did it for to begin with.
The whole thing is just very retarded.
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After a little digging - hard to do because the Gshade git seems to be just vamoose? Assuming this was the old depository? Here someone says that Gshade is closed-source, whereas Reshade is open-source and Gshade is itself a fork of Reshade. This checks out, since if Gshade was open source, whoever Nite is could've just forked the version of it she liked when building her tool and incorporated it into the tool (thus, if he tried to update the depository with malicious code, it wouldn't matter because the tool wasn't referencing that version). Being closed-source, the guy's claims of proprietary/copyrighted assets could hold up, in that Nite's tool was accessing these assets in a manner that violated whatever the Gshade license was. Since the git's dead, I can't actually check whatever was in the license.
Since it's closed-source, Nite making the tool to get around certain things in Gshade was playing with fire, and it's something that you really, really, really should not do for exact reasons like this. If the Gshade retard hadn't stated that his code caused the problem, what he could have done was modify Gshade with even more malicious content and quietly let the Nite person distribute it. That could've bricked a bunch of peoples' computers and, with Gshade being closed source, it would've been far easier to pin the blame on Nite's tool than to go digging through process calls in a sequestered environment to figure out that Gshade was returning something sussy. Eventually people would figure out where it was coming from, but the point remains that the same anti-tampering methods used to kill a process can indeed brick a computer.
Apparently Gshade reserved admin access to do its thing? That's pretty skeezy in the first place, honestly. Yeah, people, uh, don't give that out to programs whose sole purpose is to make some colors look a little prettier unless the code's able to be eyeballed all-the-way-through.
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Seen people call this the Artesian builds of mods, it sounds quite apt, just need to find if Gshade guy also liked to cosplay as starlord.
Edit : this is NotNite's blogpost explaining what and how their forks, programs, whatever were doing.
Edit : this is NotNite's blogpost explaining what and how their forks, programs, whatever were doing.
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Yes, they usually only reserve such punishment for particularly extreme individuals that could either compromise major financial institutions/have embezzled a near fortune's worth of money through some manipulation of computer tech, compromise governmental networks and systems, or... just people with child pornography, basically. I'm sure they have their methods to monitor that sort of thing one way or the other, though one can imagine how difficult is to enforce in the modern day given just how much daily living is now dependent on computers and the internet.
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I don't know much about the law, but I don't think you can just legally declare something closed-source or copyrighted on the basis of a user statement. Like I can't just upload an original character on Deviantart and then claim it's copyrighted and sue people for taking it. I don't know if claiming something as closed-source is legal binding agreement for people, but I don't it would be considered a copyright application as well because I think there's a process where you have to legally register something as copyrighted material through a legal system. I don't think it would hold up to me I think this developer is 100% in the wrong and Nite did not do anything to warrant this.
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You can legally (and just generally) declare something closed-source if I can't see the code, lol. Open-source means that the code's visible to anyone, including the end-user; closed means that it isn't. As to copyrighting code... it's a bit more of a complicated topic, but you absolutely can copyright the stuff - and other things like particular meshes / shaders / etc, with code being arguably easier to do so. But copyright essentially just says "I made this, I have the rights to it (and thus to decide what is done with it)."
It's the licensing terms that bring into play questions of legality - which is to say, "as these assets are proprietary, you cannot distribute them without permission from the copyright holders." Being closed-source, or even being copyrighted, doesn't mean that you can't redistribute it; that's all in the licensing. A license could also say "so and so has the copyright, but you are free to distribute them as you see fit" so it really depends on what was in the license I can't currently read.
Now, how would Nite then call functions whose names she couldn't see? Well, knowing that Gshade was a fork of Reshade, it probably follows that the guy kept the naming conventions of a lot of Reshade's functionality intact. This is pure speculation, but my assumption is that Nite looked through the Reshade code, found which functions would return useful information (shader memory addresses, for example), then wrote their tool to make these calls on the assumption that Gshade would effectively return the same thing, bypassing some of Gshade's unnecessary baggage and weird quirks, like being constantly online to check for updates or whatever else I've read.
Let's say that you know in ReShade, calling the function DickButt( ) returns a memory address, presumably for one of the shaders. You make a tool that calls DickButt( ) in Gshade to get one of the shaders that you know exists only in Gshade's distribution. You expect the memory address for it as a return. However, DickButt( ) in Gshade has now been changed such that if it notices that DickButt( ) has not been called by the proper Gshade functions, it instead calls another function, AnalLeakage( ), which causes the computer to reboot. Nite would have no way of knowing that AnalLeakage( ) was even part of Gshade, or that Gshade's code had been altered to call that newly-found function, because they only have ReShade's code to go off of.
I'm unfamiliar with Deviantart's particular EULA, but if you generated a copyright for the art piece, if someone were to attempt to use it for their profit, you absolutely could go after them. Even if they just found the image on deviantart and started printing it on shirts - protip, don't do that.
I mean, shit - let's say you buy some Chantal OnlyFans content. You then proceed to seed it for other p2p users to download. Would that revolting tub of lard and stds be unable to come after you? Of course not; she can have copyright on those proprietary assets, and your purchasing them involves a license agreement regarding distribution (presumably, the agreement not to).
Nite almost certainly violated the licensing of Gshade with the third-party tool. Of course, what does that mean legally? Absolutely nothing, lol, because this third-party tool wasn't trying to turn a profit and in no world could you argue that the Gshade guy was somehow suffering financial damages as a result of it. Whereas Chantal could say that, by distributing her... 'content' to other people, you were diminishing her potential sales and income and claim damages.
Being annoyed at my own speculating, I decided to find the license on the wayback machine. Plain as day, here's the copyright:
Honestly, having this in the license kindof insulates this guy from blowback, lol. If you used this software, you agreed that he isn't liable for any damages lmao
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Boy am I glad I'm a console tard.
I was under the impression that gshade and reshade were just available for people to use. Some have preferences, maybe they prefer reshade but gshade just has a few things it does better. Is there supposed to be some rivalry going on?
I am in agreement that both the gshade dev and the bitch who made the 3rd party tool are both colossal faggots.
I was under the impression that gshade and reshade were just available for people to use. Some have preferences, maybe they prefer reshade but gshade just has a few things it does better. Is there supposed to be some rivalry going on?
I am in agreement that both the gshade dev and the bitch who made the 3rd party tool are both colossal faggots.
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I was gonna chime in on pedophiles being the ones most likely to face these sorts of restrictions and they basically hinge on parole officers checking up on them and the general public keeping tabs on them. Which is why Dangerous Offender alerts are a great tool/resource.
It's much the same with other restrictions, like how parole/bail conditions can include things like 'not associate with known felons' or 'work, volunteer, hang out, etc. at places where children are present' or how they have to inform their parole officer if they start dating someone (typical in spousal abuse/sexual assault offenders.)
The strict ban thing came from Mitnick, as mentioned, but it was because it was a real case of boomers understanding computers and thinking that he could hack into NORAD and start a nuclear war through a payphone. Nowadays it's usually 'can only use a computer under supervision' or 'for the express purpose of seeking work/conducting banking/etc.'
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While there could be, as I don't really know anything at all about their histories, it isn't uncommon for there to be a bunch of different forks of the same principle software. A fork is basically just where you have the original program, someone copies that wholesale, and then begins working on their own version of it from that effective fork in the road. It may just have been that the Gshade guy wanted to focus on certain aspects of the shaders or their optimization or so-on and decided to just build off of the existing Reshade for that purpose, with no bad blood.
Since a lot of these things are passion projects and there's no cash involved, it's usually pretty harmonious. Another way to think of it is DOOM - DOOM's source code was made open-source eons ago, and there's a million different versions of DOOM out there today - all (or, at least, most) forks of that original code.
Gshade being copyrighted and closed-source doesn't mean that you're under any obligation to pay for it; you just have to abide by the license. Reshade being open-source is still probably copyrighted and still probably has a license. oh wait, that was the original reshade copyright, which gshade just included
I will say, if she's (well, assuming it's an actual she lel) actually 16, having something like this crop up is... it's not like a beginner's-beginner's mistake, but it's understandable why someone young wouldn't entirely grok why what they were doing was dubious or dangerous. At the surface-level, it looks to me like they just wanted to improve performance by circumventing certain cumbersome quirks of Gshade that make it inefficient to get to its actual improvements over base Reshade, and just assumed the guy wouldn't chimp out about it.
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As someone who has used Gshade I won't argue with you on legalities or technicalities (because you clearly know more about that than I do considering that I thought closed-source was a legal term that meant code unable to be tampered with), however, I think it's fair to at least empathize with why she wanted to make the addon in the first place. Gshade has a really fucking annoying function where if you do not install their latest update, the program will just brick itself and not work at all. Basically the program ceases to function until you update it. People, rightfully in my opinion, were pissed about this and this lead to Nite making the mod that makes it so Gshade still works even if you don't update it. Setting aside the technicalities, I personally empathize with this and while it might've been playing with fire to tamper with it, I still think Nite at the very least had empathizable intentions. But that's just me.
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Which is a fine colloquial understanding of it, because most of the time, you can't really tamper with it. You can't make a call to a function you don't know the name of. What allowed it, I'm assuming, to happen here is that the guy probably left most of the Reshade code totally intact; indeed even the copyright is mostly just the thing that's on Reshade itself.
From doing some reading, it sounds like Gshade was essentially just an installer package for certain Reshade presets, which greatly simplified the process for people who didn't want to learn to use Reshade. To some extent that explains why it would request admin access (you need it to install/uninstall things), though it's still skeevy that it was, I'm assuming, requesting access every single time it booted, since it was constantly checking for updates and installing them.
That's why I think the age of Nite matters here. Because calling into functions as they were named in ReShade to gain access to Gshade's unique assets without dealing with Gshade's stupid update requirements (and other runtime bloat) is a clever idea. It's just, yeah, if you aren't really aware of what power that gives to someone who manages the closed-source depository, you wouldn't know why it's both clever and incredibly stupid. If Nite was even just 20, doing something like this is a mark of extreme retardation, but it's more understandable for someone who's still young and learning.
I read somewhere that people realized they could just... essentially steal Gshade's unique/copyrighted assets by ripping them over into Reshade. This could always happen, but most people... I guess didn't feel the urge to learn how to do it. It seems like the main draw for people was not so much Gshade's assets as its ease-of-installation, and so inevitably some other easy-install thing will pop up in its place. Hopefully open-source this time, at least.
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Zepla is being cancelled by the wholesome UWU side for playing the wizard game
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RinKarigani was also spotted saying "its just vidya", to more seething
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UWU Wholesome 100 LGTB+ Friendly FFXIV streamer Zepla getting cancelled for "Going on a TERF rant to justify herself playing/streaming the game and abandoning her LGBT+ community" is todays HL drama.
For months she had been liking/retweeting boycott crap, it is so funny the drama/bullying in the last week is what peaked her.
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