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Ive only heard ARR being praised in the context of unfucking and continuing 1.0 more than its individual merits, i suppose the SW prequel treatment is an apt analogy considering how far we have fallen.
 
Sheep King said:
I don't think the writing of any FFXIV expansion is particularly mature and I don't think its really trying to be, it's visually pleasing fantasy locales with some wars sprinkled in. Dawntrail is just so bland that characters saying "shite" is fiery in comparison.
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I do think Stormblood tries to veer into a 'darker' tone, as it takes a more granular look at war, rather than it just being something from the MCU where all combatants line up against each other and pew pew.

The game steps a bit into oppressor and oppression, and what people will act and think like when under occupation. It's not some super deep story, but it does go a little further than your average JRPG/MMO story and it is more front and center than it typically tends to be in other games.

A good example is the 'I don't eat pork' exchange in World of Warcraft, where it is basically background stuff.

Unfortunately, the general XIV audience is retarded and Stormblood was/is seen as a 'meh' expansion, so that sort of exploration was scrapped.

Gravemind said:
If just because some sperg might actually do this, who the fuck ever gushed about ARR having a great story and why do we keep sperging about that as a relevant note?
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There is a retard mentor (ah, but I repeat myself) I know of who swears up and down that ARR is an amazingly good story and is vitally important for the super awesome MSQ that he comes down hard on anyone daring to speak ill of ARR's numerous faults.

I think @Sunflower Samurai is pretty close to the mark -- I think a lot of people are conflating the narrative praise XIV got in Heavensward with the developer praise XIV got for ARR (honestly, XIV's turnaround should be used as a case study for developers as it was a Dragon Age: Veilguard-tier disaster for Square) because, let's face it, most players didn't pick up the game Day 1 of ARR (or even Heavensward.)
 
Well Intentioned said:
That doesn't say anything about Yoshi P scrapping everything.
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I don't actually remember where, but it was some old article saying either Yoshi P or higher ups at SE didn't like the dark direction with post-ARR and wanted them to backpedal hard, including Nanamo's death. There's just no way, with how they set things up, with Lolirito being advertised as this big villain only to show up for one scene and go "actually Nanamo's fine because I swapped out her poison with a sleeping potion (despite the fact that she was very clearly gasping for air and there's no logical explaination why a sleeping potion would make someone appear to be choking to death) at the last second somehow, I'm actually a good guy trust me, anyway I'll make Nanamo leader again and restore the status quo".

There's just no fucking way that was what they originally planned out.
 
SuffahWhorse said:
"actually Nanamo's fine because I swapped out her poison with a sleeping potion (despite the fact that she was very clearly gasping for air and there's no logical explaination why a sleeping potion would make someone appear to be choking to death) at the last second somehow, I'm actually a good guy trust me, anyway I'll make Nanamo leader again and restore the status quo".
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The WOL still canonically has PTSD from this event. The only other thing that gave them trauma was fighting Nael van Darnus days before Dalamud fell.
 
SuffahWhorse said:
I don't actually remember where, but it was some old article saying either Yoshi P or higher ups at SE didn't like the dark direction with post-ARR and wanted them to backpedal hard, including Nanamo's death. There's just no way, with how they set things up, with Lolirito being advertised as this big villain only to show up for one scene and go "actually Nanamo's fine because I swapped out her poison with a sleeping potion (despite the fact that she was very clearly gasping for air and there's no logical explaination why a sleeping potion would make someone appear to be choking to death) at the last second somehow, I'm actually a good guy trust me, anyway I'll make Nanamo leader again and restore the status quo".

There's just no fucking way that was what they originally planned out.
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Yeah, I don't doubt the existence of such, I'm just curious to see it myself.

E: Also, I can see some changes being made, but the general setups and such? There's no way that Minfillia being killed off, for example, wasn't in the cards, or Y'shtola's blindness being a thing.

And you're mixing Lolorito and Teledji up.
 
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They should make an expansion where the WoL loses so hard that he/she gets ptsd and even starts to doubt and question why even keep doing WoL things. Maybe they kill off characters like one of the scions or someone like krile just to really drive it home that shit is fucked. Of course they would never dare to go that far because they cant be fucking bothered to come up with cool storylines anymore.
 
00R-Gundam said:
They should make an expansion where the WoL loses so hard that he/she gets ptsd and even starts to doubt and question why even keep doing WoL things. Maybe they kill off characters like one of the scions or someone like krile just to really drive it home that shit is fucked. Of course they would never dare to go that far because they cant be fucking bothered to come up with cool storylines anymore.
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tbh that should of been the first half of shadowbringers
 
00R-Gundam said:
They should make an expansion where the WoL loses so hard that he/she gets ptsd and even starts to doubt and question why even keep doing WoL things. Maybe they kill off characters like one of the scions or someone like krile just to really drive it home that shit is fucked. Of course they would never dare to go that far because they cant be fucking bothered to come up with cool storylines anymore.
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Stormblood trailer be like:
"OH SHIT Y'SHTOLA IS GETTING STABBED BY ZENOS?! IS SHE DEAD?"

And then she gets injured in the lvl 61 quest "In Crimson It Began", merely 24 quests into the expansion.

And she survives.
 
King Of Braves said:
Dawntrail has been so mediocre it's been hard to log in for any reason since I've been done raiding. I was telling myself all weekend to get on and do the Valentine's event and I just realized I'm going to miss my first seasonal event since 2.0. I didn't even miss them during HW when I barely had time to play. Jesus Christ.
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Yeah, I stopped caring about seasonals back in EW which is when I stopped enjoying the story, once I realized that it's just going to be rushed and finished with no real satisfactory way the illusion kind of broke and you see just how limited the game really is.
I don't blame people for turning to venues and erp and the fact there's over a million people with Mare installed, I fucking hate it and still want to glass them from orbit, but after all, what the fuck else is there to do when you stop running on the BiS treadmill, really? Can you blame players for turning inwards to create their own fun when the game won't provide it?

I used to be the doom and gloom guy in EW in my friendgroup about the game, yet they've all stopped playing in DT, most didn't even bother finishing the 7.0 MSQ. I know there is a lot of general negative sentiment towards DT, but I would love to be a fly on the wall in CBU13
 
Baron Reginald said:
I used to be the doom and gloom guy in EW in my friendgroup about the game, yet they've all stopped playing in DT, most didn't even bother finishing the 7.0 MSQ. I know there is a lot of general negative sentiment towards DT, but I would love to be a fly on the wall in CBU13
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Damn, to the point of not finishing 7.0? You should pick their brains on that.

The stats should be very alarming for CBU3 tbh. It has to be dire, their player retention.
 
King Of Braves said:
Dawntrail has been so mediocre it's been hard to log in for any reason since I've been done raiding. I was telling myself all weekend to get on and do the Valentine's event and I just realized I'm going to miss my first seasonal event since 2.0. I didn't even miss them during HW when I barely had time to play. Jesus Christ.
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I logged in only to do the seasonal last night at the last minute and discovered I've been offline long enough in XIV to get hit with Returner status yet again.

Somehow it doesn't feel like it's been that long since I last logged in. Although, thinking about it, the last time I think I did anything in XIV was the Christmas event, so I've been off for a little over a month now or slightly longer.
 
Kane Lives said:
Damn, to the point of not finishing 7.0? You should pick their brains on that.

The stats should be very alarming for CBU3 tbh. It has to be dire, their player retention.
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It took me around 6 months to finish DT, I just did whatever in the game instead of finishing DT. The writing was just so bad and whenever it did start going it would grind to a halt and when it did that it would just drain all energy to continue. There were multiple points where I just stopped with the MSQ, some of the ones that I remember vividly is in Texas where we finally have something a bit different and then immediately (before she even shows up) every quest needs to be related to Wuk Lamat. ANother spot was when you first met Sphene and for some reason we need to go and ivnestigate how the farms work. It took me more than a month to do lvls 99-100 because you would just be send back to just read through what just happened and then go through a very slow and boring session in Alexandria just because for some reason we needed to go through the zone as apparently we couldn't go immediately to sphene but needed to waste time before security was dropped.

With regard to Alexandria I was also really confused about a certain point and that is the portal to the golden city, this leads directly to Alexandria, where only dead people live. However, for some reason Krile's parents went through it with a baby and had their bodies, meaning they weren't dead. I was really annoyed and confused trying to understand how they could have the portal located there while they were still alive. As far as I understood Alexandria, they could only be there if they were dead, if they were dead they would have no body if they went to the source and they certainly couldn't get a baby. This annoyance led me to stop the MSQ for another week :P

Also another point that I didn't really understand is how we suddenly uploaded ourselves before the lvl 100 dungeons, that was just silly.
 
I'm sure 7.2 will force me to go through the MSQ before letting me do the Cosmic Exploration stuff, so I'll be stuck with putting up with that. If I care enough, I should be done with the role quests by then at least
 
Got sent this by someone in my FC.
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Gravemind said:
You told your FC mates about how you went into that club the other night, didn't you?
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Actually no, this was after someone brought up Honorific and we started shitposting about modbeasts after someone posted an eggroller comic.

Well Intentioned said:
As someone who doesn't use mare and only goes off of horrorshow stuff FC friends post, it feels like this is 'mild' when it comes to modbeast crap.
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That's the most common type of modbeast at any rate. The severe ones tend to only be on Balmung.
 
Kane Lives said:
Damn, to the point of not finishing 7.0? You should pick their brains on that.

The stats should be very alarming for CBU3 tbh. It has to be dire, their player retention.
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It was Orange cat.
Not that character of Wuk Lamat themselves, some of them pre-DT were even excited for them.
The problem is it was Wuk Lamats Expansion.
Wuk Lamats Quest.

They liked the idea of having a more chill and side adventure xpac but it wasn't THEIR adventure. They sat on the sidelines and watched Wuk Lamat.
They all gave up because they were 100% uninterested with the story and didn't have the willpower in them to force themselves through nearly 100 "talk to wuk lamat" quests. The furthest any of them got was just coming into Solution 9 before she gave up because "We've done this world overcome with a single element shit before, twice"
 
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