Final Fantasy "Censorship" topic

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And, not to be passive aggressive at the farms here, but I have wondered if this whole thing is a bit of a catch-22, because for as much as we bitch about censorship we also often bitch about coomerbait or inserting sexual content into mediums meant for kids (which video games certainly were in the 1990s).
The problem with coombait isn't so much the fact that it exists in and of itself, it's that it draws in a class of insufferable individual that makes engaging with other people about the game or looking it up annoying. Such a class of individual often spends money indiscriminately, which then distorts games to cater to them over time usually at the expense of good gameplay or character writing.

Censorship is similar, it just operates from the opposite direction and is usually unwilling on the part of the creator of the work.

In other words, Hell is other people.
 
The problem with coombait isn't so much the fact that it exists in and of itself, it's that it draws in a class of insufferable individual that makes engaging with other people about the game or looking it up annoying. Such a class of individual often spends money indiscriminately, which then distorts games to cater to them over time usually at the expense of good gameplay or character writing.

Censorship is similar, it just operates from the opposite direction and is usually unwilling on the part of the creator of the work.

In other words, Hell is other people.
I prefer no censorship unless its something crazy like a 14 year old chick barely wearing anything.

16 getting rid of the implications of child rape for a certain set of bad guys, really took a lot out of Jill's arc for me. The English version just made the villains cartoonishly kill evil as opposed to legit fucked up. I mean that's a very real evil thing going on today, so why cut out that simple accusation if your trying to be game of thrones dark?
 
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Honestly a lot of this is a big Nothing-Burger.

Some of what you said is straight up wrong--the Espers weren't called Eidolons in Japanese FF6, they were called Genjuu, or Phantom Beasts. And when I first played FF6 as a kid/teen, "Esper" was just a fantasy made up term that could mean anything--I didn't learn its real meaning until way later.

And besides, would you really want them to keep the Japanese term? With that, either Terra's mom fucked a Juu, or she fucked a Beast. I'd rather she fuck a Telepath.

And as for "keeping the series consistent"--the series' games are (or used to be) not plot-related in any way outside of recycled terminology, and even that wasn't always consistent even in Japan. So who cares if one game calls them Summons and another calls them Eidolons?

Regarding FF4's translation... to be honest I don't see how its all that bad. I recall playing the PSP translation later, which is supposed to be way more accurate... and being disappointed that the differences amounted to basically cleaning up the text to read more naturally and less like 16-bit video game text. All the story, emotional moments, plot beats etc. come across just fine. Two kids still get stoned and the bard is still spoony (even if only the NA version calls him that).

As for the covering up of boobies in the older games.... who the fuck cares? This was the 1990s, go rent some anime OVAs from the time if you need animated boobs that badly. Honestly as a kid growing up when these games were new to our shores, I never noticed the censorship and did not care.

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And, not to be passive aggressive at the farms here, but I have wondered if this whole thing is a bit of a catch-22, because for as much as we bitch about censorship we also often bitch about coomerbait or inserting sexual content into mediums meant for kids (which video games certainly were in the 1990s).

Granted, my own catch-22 is like I said, even when games blatantly allowed Nudity (often on Sega platforms)... I usually didn't even notice or didn't care, because this was the days of low resolution CRTs, I was too young to be aware of that stuff, and most of the time when you're playing a video game you have other priorities, like "not dying and having to re-fight the last three bosses."
Nigga, did you really need to get into this level of debate over a nearly 4 year old OP from a dead thread? This guy hasn't even posted in that same length of time.
 
As for the covering up of boobies in the older games.... who the fuck cares?
It's the principle. Nobody is jacking off to 2D sprites or jaggy PS1 models, but it doesn't mean it's okay to censor shit unnecessarily.

And, not to be passive aggressive at the farms here, but I have wondered if this whole thing is a bit of a catch-22, because for as much as we bitch about censorship we also often bitch about coomerbait or inserting sexual content into mediums meant for kids (which video games certainly were in the 1990s).
I don't personally mind if games cover up female characters more and sexualize them less. Problem for me is censorship in gaming is more about political and ideologically opposed sides now than before when it was just puritanical.

If we went back to strictly puritanicalistic (is this a word?) censorship I'd be fine with it, but what's happening now is bizarro-purutanicalism; for example, Abby can get fucked on camera in TLOU2 but some anime game shows a bit too much skin and it's censored or banned. This is because they're trying to establish a new normal, their own standards of redefining beauty standards and such.

Tldr; fuck woke censorship specifically.

Speaking of Marle... last year I found out her name was pronounced "Mar-ul." That weirded me out, as I thought it was pronounced "Marley."
Same for Tidus of FFX. Everybody pronounces it " Tie-dus", but the official pronunciation is "Tee-dus". I will never call him that lol

I mean that's a very real evil thing going on today, so why cut out that simple accusation if your trying to be game of thrones dark?
Hits too close to home for the libtard localizers.
 
Nigga, did you really need to get into this level of debate over a nearly 4 year old OP from a dead thread? This guy hasn't even posted in that same length of time.
Final Fantasy autists really are a whole other level.
I checked the front page of the Gaming subforum and it was on the front page, so I thought it was a fresh topic.

Here's an idea, get on the case of whoever it was that actually revived the topic. Or would that be too logical?

Same for Tidus of FFX. Everybody pronounces it " Tie-dus", but the official pronunciation is "Tee-dus". I will never call him that lol
Same here. I'm so used to "Tie-dus" at this point thanks to videos like Spoony's.

Another one Final Fantasy related, from FF4 specifically: I see some people insist Kain's name is pronounced "Kyne" (rhymes with sign) and others "Cain" (as in "I will beat children with my cane"). Even re-translations of the game don't seem to know which one is correct. I personally prefer "Cain."
 
I dunno man you're the one trying to justify Terra's mom fucking some kind of weird monster using Japanese localization semantics.
Uuuuhhhhh.... okay?

I just don't see what that has to do with anything.
 
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Another one Final Fantasy related, from FF4 specifically: I see some people insist Kain's name is pronounced "Kyne" (rhymes with sign) and others "Cain" (as in "I will beat children with my cane"). Even re-translations of the game don't seem to know which one is correct. I personally prefer "Cain."
I never heard this one. I never imagined it could be anything other than pronounced as "cane", like the Biblical figure.

I dunno man you're the one trying to justify Terra's mom fucking some kind of weird monster using Japanese localization semantics.
wait what
 
wait what
I was wondering why you hadn't added that part to random_text yet.... its in the same post as the thing about Marle's pronunciation.

Also I just noticed but I think Grub misread the line in question.
 
Some of what you said is straight up wrong--the Espers weren't called Eidolons in Japanese FF6, they were called Genjuu, or Phantom Beasts. And when I first played FF6 as a kid/teen, "Esper" was just a fantasy made up term that could mean anything--I didn't learn its real meaning until way later.

I didn't play FF in the 16 bit days. I played Phantasy Star. And they had Espers too. As a kid I didn't make the connection with ESP even though the Phantasy Star 2 manual used the term "telemental" to describe Lutz. I just thought Esper meant a magician or wizard of some kind.😓

Esper is easier to say. It also has less letters than Eidolon, making it a better choice back when text box space was very valuable. I had heard it was Eidolon even back then. But it wasn't. Even then, Phantom Beast is a lot of characters to spell out. I think they did the right thing with Esper.
 
It's the principle. Nobody is jacking off to 2D sprites or jaggy PS1 models, but it doesn't mean it's okay to censor shit unnecessarily.
Also like, the audience for old PS1 games is gonna be dudes in their 30s who grew up with them. Censoring all that is just a faggy virtue signaling show. The whole point of buying the same game again on modern platforms is for convenience, but whatever, emulators exist and ripped original versions are very easy to find. The onus should be on the companies themselves to provide the best version of their game for sale. When they don't, you download an emulator and play the old version for free. If they want your money, they should have to earn it. Piracy is a service problem.

If we went back to strictly puritanicalistic (is this a word?) censorship I'd be fine with it, but what's happening now is bizarro-purutanicalism; for example, Abby can get fucked on camera in TLOU2 but some anime game shows a bit too much skin and it's censored or banned. This is because they're trying to establish a new normal, their own standards of redefining beauty standards and such.
Ugly people hate beauty, both from the inside and out. It's why so many hideous goblins are adamantly left wing.

Same for Tidus of FFX. Everybody pronounces it " Tie-dus", but the official pronunciation is "Tee-dus". I will never call him that lol
Dissidia called Zidane "Zih-dawn". Japanese FF6 shows Cyan's name is pronounced "Kai-anne", like cayenne peppers. Not "Sigh-ann", like the color. Makes me wonder why Woolsey didn't just spell it "Kaian".

Another one Final Fantasy related, from FF4 specifically: I see some people insist Kain's name is pronounced "Kyne" (rhymes with sign) and others "Cain" (as in "I will beat children with my cane"). Even re-translations of the game don't seem to know which one is correct. I personally prefer "Cain."
I don't see how it can't be anything but "cane". He is a direct reference to the story of Cain & Abel.

Final Fantasy autists really are a whole other level.
I haven't enjoyed a single new full game from this series for over 20 years now, yet I still can't help but sperg out whenever I hear about something new. Crazy how that series seemed to really get its hooks in some of us for life.
 
Also I just noticed but I think Grub misread the line in question.
It was more of an intentional misread.
I haven't enjoyed a single new full game from this series for over 20 years now, yet I still can't help but sperg out whenever I hear about something new. Crazy how that series seemed to really get its hooks in some of us for life.
I dunno, the early games are fun but the story and lore have never really been that good in final fantasy. Especially when they tried to make it convoluted and edgy.
 
Final Fantasy autists really are a whole other level
This explains the kingdom's Heart's fandom. Final Fantasy autistics might be on the same level as Pokémon fans. That’s saying something. Persona fans are getting there, but not Shin Megami Tensei fans. Oddly enough. In fact, I have been seeing Persona fans hating SMT fans for being closeted fascists being a thing.
 
This explains the kingdom's Heart's fandom. Final Fantasy autistics might be on the same level as Pokémon fans. That’s saying something. Persona fans are getting there, but not Shin Megami Tensei fans. Oddly enough. In fact, I have been seeing Persona fans hating SMT fans for being closeted fascists being a thing.
Well I mean with kingdom hearts you get the final fantasy autists and the Disney autists together as some kind of super autist. High school themed games always seem to attract weirdos. I've never been able to get into the persona games but I like the smt games.
 
Well I mean with kingdom hearts you get the final fantasy autists and the Disney autists together as some kind of super autist. High school themed games always seem to attract weirdos. I've never been able to get into the persona games but I like the smt games.
Except you really don't. FF autists really don't like Kingdom Hearts, and KH autists aren't exactly Disney fans. KH autists are their own unique brand of retarded that didn't really spawn from either group.
 
Except you really don't. FF autists really don't like Kingdom Hearts, and KH autists aren't exactly Disney fans. KH autists are their own unique brand of retarded that didn't really spawn from either group.
I dunno. I tried kingdom hearts because I liked final fantasy. I don't think I ever would have even looked at it if it hadn't been made by square and specifically because of final fantasy and I remember when it came out, the connection to final fantasy was played up a lot.
 
I dunno. I tried kingdom hearts because I liked final fantasy. I don't think I ever would have even looked at it if it hadn't been made by square and specifically because of final fantasy and I remember when it came out, the connection to final fantasy was played up a lot.
The first game did play up the FF connection, but by the second one they were trying to pull away from being too connected with Square-Enix's other works. I recall a friend of mine mentioning that they've also been trying to use less disney stuff and rely more on the world they're building/built. No, they can't completely divorce the disney influence, but there apparently is an effort to use it less.
 
The first game did play up the FF connection, but by the second one they were trying to pull away from being too connected with Square-Enix's other works. I recall a friend of mine mentioning that they've also been trying to use less disney stuff and rely more on the world they're building/built. No, they can't completely divorce the disney influence, but there apparently is an effort to use it less.
I imagine the Disney license probably gets a bit expensive. I can't remember which one I played. 1 or 2, maybe both, I dunno, but they were pretty meh games where pretty much the only thing going for them was the weird Disney/FF crossover shit. Though, I gotta admit, they were kind of a nice change of pace from a lot of ps2 RPGs that were pretty much just interactive movies with like 10 minutes of gameplay sandwiched between hour long cutscenes.
 
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