Culture Feminism has a women problem - Debates about sex and gender have exposed the significance of intrasexual disagreement

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A darkly welcome side effect of the cultural stranglehold of gender identity is the overdue shattering of progressive illusions. Men and women are not basically the same — physically nor behaviourally. “You can be whoever you want to be” sounds nice but is unsustainable for a functioning society when taken to its logical end point.

The gender wars have also meant some uncomfortable reckonings with the facts of female nature. We have, for example, had to rethink the idea that women, as a rule, have each other’s backs. The sisterhood, it turns out, is a myth.

But wait, hasn’t the fight against self-identification in law and the redefining of womanhood revitalised grassroots feminism and bound together women of all walks of life in unity unmatched since the second wave? Absolutely. For some.

There is a misconception amongst certain gender critical feminists — or reality-based feminists to use Hadley Freeman’s phrase — that men make up a large majority of their vilifiers and hounders. Amongst the powerful minority who hate and harangue those who argue for sex-based rights, many are women. Moreover, they are women who consider themselves dyed-in-the-wool feminists. Helen Joyce articulated this in an interview with Peter Boghossian: male sexual entitlement may be “the toxic beating nuclear reactor at the heart” of gender extremism but “the worst foot soldiers” are young women.

As a young millennial — or zillennial — I fully accept Joyce’s assessment. Although this monster was conceived in critical theory written a good bit before I was born, it was my generation that made it mainstream — 2015, when the oldest of us were taking university lectureships, is a fair marker (in the UK at least) for when gender and queer theory really started to dominate curriculums. However, the female-led dehumanising of women with materialist views on sex goes beyond the battleground of student campuses to the high offices and boardrooms. Here, the ideology generation gap is slightly erased.

Recently, for instance, Labour MP Kate Osborne proclaimed on Twitter/X that her New Year’s resolution is to “block terfs” in response to Venice Allen’s proclaiming her resolution is to bring Osborne onside. This came off the back of facing off with Kemi Badenoch regarding the controversial resources being used in secondary sex education classes. To give you an idea of who brought a proverbial knife to the fight and who brought a Stonewall pamphlet, when Badenoch pointed out that the “nonsense” being taught to children included biological sex not existing, Osborne’s unblinking response was: “Who says it’s nonsense?”. After the exchange, Osborne claimed to have been targeted with abuse, which is obviously unacceptable. Yet rather than condemn or name those who sent her it, she chose to insinuate Badenoch was to blame. It’s a tactic close to Rule One of the misogyny playbook: women gender critical women are responsible for men’s other people’s actions.

This is but one example of mean-girlism that women who have nailed their colours to the baby pink and blue mast espouse towards their peskily eloquent female dissenters. I can’t possibly highlight every example of self-serving progressive women culpable for women-on-women nastiness in the last few years but to cite a handful: Nancy Kelley, the former head of Stonewall, who compared lesbians not wanting to have sex with male bodies to ‘sexual racists’. Former First Minister Nicola Sturgeon, a self-labelled “feminist to her fingertips” and one of the worst dismissers and, at times, demonisers of women with concerns about self-ID in Scottish law. Last December, SNP MSPs Kirsten Oswald and Kaukab Stewart were pictured beaming under banners at a pro-Gender Recognition Reform rally that read: “Decapitate Terfs” (both denied they were aware of what the signs said).

At last summer’s Edinburgh Fringe, MP Mhairi Black talked of “50-year-old Karens” in reference to women who rejected being redefined in law and during an ITV interview scoffed at the idea of having sympathy for Rosie Duffield when Duffield was shouted at and intimidated by Lloyd Russell-Moyle during a volatile debate back in January 2023. In 2021, Labour’s then-Shadow Minister For Women and Equalities Taiwo Owetami backed the UCU’s decision to throw Professor Kathleen Stock to the wolves after the bullying campaign against her at Sussex University. University administrations are a notorious hotbed of toxic femininity and Professor Stock herself said in an interview with The Times that it was female philosophy academics who “really pushed [her] persecution”. A final example I’ll offer is this 2022 petition against sociologist and UCL lecturer Professor Alice Sullivan, opposing her session at Advance HE to speak about sex and gender. It was written and signed by Athena Swan members and supporters, a programme that was originally set up to promote women in STEM, now expanded to the humanities and all perceived “underrepresented” groups in academia. Very helpfully, the signatories provided their pronouns and a quick ctrl+F search reveals there are twice the number of she/hers as he/hims on the list of around four hundred (I’ve discounted “theys”). I appreciate the gender pronouns will not align with sex on all signatories but it paints an unsisterly enough picture.

When I broach this with old-school radical feminists, I’m often told that these women are suffering from “internalised misogyny”. Honestly, I find this apologist nonsense. The more obvious and straightforward reason these cosseted, high-status women shit on their freethinking female colleagues is because there is little to no professional incentive in elite, left-leaning sectors to behave otherwise. For women who gain financially or professionally from EDI programmes or having intersectional feminist personas, ejecting freethinking, outspoken women with views and data that problematise their very lucrative agenda is not just acceptable but a necessity. Feminism is the radical belief that women are people. People are selfish and pragmatic — and women are nothing if not pragmatic.

It is feminism’s best and worst kept secret that women bully and dehumanise other women as much as men do. To scratch the surface of female (anti)social behaviour leads to the squeamish territory of evolutionary psychology, hence why it is downplayed or evaded. There is a divide, if not quite yet an inhibiting schism, within the gender critical movement between “reactionary feminists” and “gender abolitionist” feminists (although some straddle both sides). The former see it in women’s interests to acknowledge innate psychological differences in males and females, the latter does not.

In fairness, it is understandable why certain radical feminists are highly wary of what they see as “biological essentialism”. Bad faith evolutionary theory has been historically used to portray women as intellectually and cognitively inferior to men (males are simply programmed to do things like pilot planes and solving equations and women to hoovering and mopping up children), not to mention weaponised against sex-nonconforming people, gay men and lesbians. There are perhaps concerns that spotlighting the misguided feminist ideals that underpin parts of gender/queer theory, gives free reign for reactionary types to blame the entire mess on us wummin and our family-destroying female supremacy mission, rather than, say, pornography, misogyny and hyper-individualism encouraged by big tech and consumerism. I have been hesitant to engage with this subject myself. The last thing I want to do is open the door to people who want an excuse to smear all women as irrational.

However dirty the bathwater, though, throwing the baby out with it is never a good idea. One thing this battle for sex-based rights, child safeguarding and freedom of speech has made evident is that twisting and deconstructing the truth to serve a delusional narrative, however well-intentioned, leads to disastrous outcomes. Moreover, understanding of our evolutionary psychology can be liberating as well as deeply discomfiting. The research of Professor Joyce Benenson, for instance, whose conclusions are derived both from intensive study of children’s social development and primatology, offers constructive and compassionate insight into why female people (on average) are prone to compete, conform and express conflict in the uniquely complex way we do, and how our pseudo-egalitarian yet exclusionary tendencies come from our comparatively greater preoccupation with survival and protecting our kin. From Benenson’s non-partisan findings, depressing but illuminating dots can be joined as to potentially why, in the scrabble for social status and safety in the gender wars and powderkeg of identity politics, women who seek to benefit choose to disdain reality-based feminists rather than stand with them, and why, without major incentive, they are unlikely to switch teams.

There are no clear solutions — far from it — but knowing where it’s worth or not worth dedicating our movement’s energy is useful. As much as I respect Venice Allen, I’d advise she doesn’t bother trying to “terf” Kate Osborne, nor any of us waste precious time wheedling the EDI petition-signing pronoun-bearers onside anymore. The golden bridge can and should remain extended but, overall, it’s in reality-based feminists’ interests to admit and accept that, when it comes to the sisterhood, #notallwomen.

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Wew, kind of offensive if you ask me. Imagine if we took this another way:
"Zionism has a jew problem"
"LGBT has a pedo problem"
"America has a nigger(worship) problem"
It might offend a few people, you know?
Also, I don't want anyone to call themselves a "zillenial" ever again
 
Looking at this chick's history, she may have a point.

HOWEVER the use of "zillenial" makes me want to shoot her in the face, burn her ovaries, and seed the ground within a 30 mile radius with cobalt-60.
 
Can't even sit through a paragraph of this insufferable garbage. Nothing wrong with what she's saying but this whole article is dense word soup that only the most obsessed of faggots would care to sift through.
 
We have, for example, had to rethink the idea that women, as a rule, have each other’s backs. The sisterhood, it turns out, is a myth.
No we haven't. The only people who thought this were the piece of shit collectivist feminists.

It’s a tactic close to Rule One of the misogyny playbook: women gender critical women are responsible for men’s other people’s actions.
Learn to write, you idiot. What does this even say?

University administrations are a notorious hotbed of toxic femininity and Professor Stock herself said in an interview with The Times that it was female philosophy academics who “really pushed [her] persecution”.
And universities are a notorious hotbed of feminist lunatics. I wonder if there is a connection between being a shitty woman and identifying as a feminist...

When I broach this with old-school radical feminists, I’m often told that these women are suffering from “internalised misogyny”. Honestly, I find this apologist nonsense.
Saying something smart for a change...

Feminism is the radical belief that women are people.
This is exactly like saying marxism is the notion that workers deserve rights. Just bullshit propaganda.


It is feminism’s best and worst kept secret that women bully and dehumanise other women as much as men do. To scratch the surface of female (anti)social behaviour leads to the squeamish territory of evolutionary psychology, hence why it is downplayed or evaded.
No, they aren't worried about EP. Feminists squirm away from this point, because it means women aren't innocent angels and men aren't monsters. This one thing disproves 99% of feminism from the second wave onwards.

Bad faith evolutionary theory has been historically used to portray women as intellectually and cognitively inferior to men (males are simply programmed to do things like pilot planes and solving equations and women to hoovering and mopping up children), not to mention weaponised against sex-nonconforming people, gay men and lesbians
The truth is never bad faith. Even in our modern, tolerant age, we can see this truth to be self-evident.

There are perhaps concerns that spotlighting the misguided feminist ideals that underpin parts of gender/queer theory, gives free reign for reactionary types to blame the entire mess on us wummin and our family-destroying female supremacy mission, rather than, say, pornography, misogyny and hyper-individualism encouraged by big tech and consumerism.
It does give free reign, nothing you mentioned be it porn, "misogyny", and hyper-individualism hasn't been heavily influence and gotten express permission to exist without some strain of feminist. It may not be your strain, or you may be in denial that your strain had influence over these things.

women who seek to benefit choose to disdain reality-based feminists rather than stand with them,
No such thing as a "reality-based feminist", only varying levels of crazy.

The golden bridge can and should remain extended but, overall, it’s in reality-based feminists’ interests to admit and accept that, when it comes to the sisterhood, #notallwomen.
Nothing more wonderful than the admission by a radical feminist that troonism is A) a product of feminism and B) not a fad that is gonna go away in a generation. Please, more admissions like this.


Edit: Yes, I am an obsessed faggot.
 
Because trannies people forget how awful Feminists were and how they deserve everything bad happening to them. Hack, Tranny-ism itself is mostly the results of feminist culture and mindset
 
Ahh, the old "women wanted to be allowed into school, therefore they should be punched by troons" argument.
Very nice. Ask your mum.
Now are you absolving women of their responsibility or their agency?
 
Feminism is a trash ideology so it’s not surprising that it’s ending up this way. Its sole purpose was to enable leftism and once it achieved that goal it was never going to make it. Many other social movements ended up the same way, there’s nothing unique about the “problems” of feminism.
 
Man I'm not even a woman and I knew almost immediately in life that women can't trust other women. Are there really people out there who needed to figure this out?
 
Because trannies people forget how awful Feminists were and how they deserve everything bad happening to them. Hack, Tranny-ism itself is mostly the results of feminist culture and mindset
Pretty much, pathological empathy and wanting to baby anything that is deemed as "oppresed" has pushed an already psychotic movement to outright embrace conflicting stances (sexual liberation or stop being objectified, girl can do anything a boy can or acts are gender coded, christian based western civilization is suffocating but islam is feminist).

Some women definitely see the stupid behind it all, but most are too worried of being percieved as "bad people" so just echo the talking points. At least till it affects them directly, hence exhibit A...
Ahh, the old "women wanted to be allowed into school, therefore they should be punched by troons" argument.
Very nice. Ask your mum.
Choke on a cock.

What I remember is that destroying masculinity and men only spaces has been basically policy for decades but once the ladies suddenly are forced to share with incels with wigs it's anoda shoa, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

So excuse me if I don't come in running to save milady the first moment her screeching passive aggresive bullshit is used against her by disgusting creatures they were suckered into enabling. Specially when I'll get branded a transphobe and get the book thrown at me.

I have to deal with inclusive wathered down bullshit in the things I used to love, ladies get to watch their back when going to a toilet. Something something "progress, consequences".
 
It’s a tactic close to Rule One of the misogyny playbook: women gender critical women are responsible for men’s other people’s actions.

And rule 1 of the feminists playbook is women are never responsible for their own actions. Yesterday the TERFs were sperging out on twitter about gay men and drag , how it's misogynistic etc. All valid points. However when you point out the the majority of drag race viewers are women or if you go to a drag brunch the majority of the audience are women, then it becomes "the media is exploiting women's empathy by making them think they have to support drag to support LGBTQ empathy" . It's pretty laughable to think drunk entitled Bachelorettes at a drag show are there out of empathy.

TERFs use the same logical framework as trannies, but just replace transphobia with the Patriarchy/ misogyny.
 
Author isn't entirely wrong, but she's phrasing it all wrong.

Feminism doesn't have a problem because feminism is the problem and started from the beginning assuming something that's impossible: that women will get along. Women hate each other, unless it's very specific members of their group that they consider harmless. The reason feminism now has gone insane is because it's evolving to its natural form: women vs women who won't align. This is the default for most women, specially young women. Feminism gives them the excuse to segregate women they don't like without feeling guilty of breaking any "sisterhood".
 
Ahh, the old "women wanted to be allowed into school, therefore they should be punched by troons" argument.
Very nice. Ask your mum.
Women could go into school for at least half a century. However feminists couldn't have enough and eroded every societal advantage men had, while literally enshrining female advantages into law. Guess what failed men decided to do as a result of that?
 
Choke on a cock.

What I remember is that destroying masculinity and men only spaces has been basically policy for decades but once the ladies suddenly are forced to share with incels with wigs it's anoda shoa, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

So excuse me if I don't come in running to save milady the first moment her screeching passive aggresive bullshit is used against her by disgusting creatures they were suckered into enabling. Specially when I'll get branded a transphobe and get the book thrown at me.

I have to deal with inclusive wathered down bullshit in the things I used to love, ladies get to watch their back when going to a toilet. Something something "progress, consequences".
You don't get it bro: Xer called you an incel, you need sit down and be quiet now

Women could go into school for at least half a century. However feminists couldn't have enough and eroded every societal advantage men had, while literally enshrining female advantages into law. Guess what failed men decided to do as a result of that?
Something something sleep in your own bed(with the troon you yourself invited over)
 
Feminism is a trash ideology so it’s not surprising that it’s ending up this way. Its sole purpose was to enable leftism and once it achieved that goal it was never going to make it. Many other social movements ended up the same way, there’s nothing unique about the “problems” of feminism.


"light them torches of freedom up ladies!" -Eddie Bernays
 
Looking at this chick's history, she may have a point.

HOWEVER the use of "zillenial" makes me want to shoot her in the face, burn her ovaries, and seed the ground within a 30 mile radius with cobalt-60.

To be fully fair there is something to be said about the latter Millennials bleeding over into X they don't quite recall a time where technology was so prevalent in the home but can recall a time where there was less of it and it didn't work so well.

I just wish the word used wasn't quite as retarded as Zillenial.
 
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