Feminism discussion thread

[The Observer]

I think that men are the oppressors and structures that suggest that women should be slaves to them is wrong. I know you’re going to say that being a wife isn’t a slave but getting married to a moid if you think about it literally only benefits him if we’re talking trad marriage. Married men live longer and are happier, have a live in bangmaid and slave, someone to cook clean and sex them on command. Married women have shorter lives and are less happy, and married men are more likely to leave their wives when they get sick, hell if they get old or ugly after pregnancy a man will fall out of love for you over that. Men simply don’t treat women well enough to have a woman be their wife.

This is perhaps the most dismal way to look at marriage. It is very possible that there are marriages like this where women are oppressed, but I think it would be very wrong and misaligned with reality to paint this on every marriage. Secondly, women and men on average live longer than their unmarried counterparts, and women are documented to live longer than men by half decade. I mean you could hold all these beliefs, but I am also wondering if you registering on April 1st is meant to be a parody of an account that twists nuanced opinions into ridiculous ones.

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

he thinks telling us liberal feminists exist is an epic own

How is it not an own? They are feminists who supports troons and prostitution, and they welcome rapefugees by the boatload. How is that not an epic L for feminism, that so many feminists are directly supporting the exploitaition of women? That so many feminists completely abandoned ship, the moment some creepy wanker put on a dress?

 

[Lokenstien]

I've been reading more first hand documents from colonial America recently and I found this quote, written on March 31st 1776 by Abigail Adams, wife of Founding Father John Adams and mother of sixth president John Quincy Adams, to be an interesting piece of historical evidence when viewed with the modern eye.

...and by the way in the new Code of Laws which I suppose it will be necessary for you to make I desire you would Remember the Ladies, and be more generous and favourable to them than your ancestors. Do not put such unlimited power into the hands of the Husbands. Remember all Men would be tyrants if they could. If perticuliar care and attention is not paid to the Laidies we are determined to foment a Rebelion, and will not hold ourselves bound by any Laws in which we have no voice, or Representation.

That your Sex are Naturally Tyrannical is a Truth so thoroughly established as to admit of no dispute, but such of you as wish to be happy willingly give up the harsh title of Master for the more tender and endearing one of Friend. Why then, not put it out of the power of the vicious and the Lawless to use us with cruelty and indignity with impunity. Men of Sense in all Ages abhor those customs which treat us only as the vassals of your Sex. Regard us then as Beings placed by providence under your protection and in immitation of the Supreem Being make use of that power only for our happiness.

What I find so fascinating about this quote is someone so close to the very spirit of America would have their ideas of freedom disregarded until the 1920's when women finally got the chance to be unbound "by any Laws in which [they] have no voice, or Representation". Abigail was also acutely aware of the natural difference between the sex's in this letter from men's dominance focused mind too the sub textual acknowledgement of the disparity of physical strength between the sex's. So much so that Abigail pleads for men to seek the appeasement of women to show strength rather than shows of physical prowess and dominance.

 

[AmberHeardSupporter]

This is perhaps the most dismal way to look at marriage. It is very possible that there are marriages like this where women are oppressed, but I think it would be very wrong and not aligned with reality to paint this on every marriage. Secondly, women and men on average live longer than their unmarried counterparts, and women are documented to live longer than men by half decade. I mean you could hold all these beliefs, but I am also wondering if you registering on April 1st is meant to be a parody of an account that twists nuanced opinions into ridiculous ones.

Bro I literall said over and over again that it’s not all marriages. If you got a problem with what I said go tell men about it. I’m not the ones screaming that women are worthless at 35, or beating my wife, or pulling a rekeita and saying my wife’s body is ruined after her pregnancues, or the statistic that men leave their wives 3x as often when they’re terminally ill, or doing the whole “married life is hell on earth” jokes that boomers made all the time, or saying that women were made to serve men. That’s men saying that. I simply chose to listen to them instead of coping and trying to pretend that they were joking or not being serious when they said it. Obviously that long ass post was me speaking from the heart and just because you can’t easily dispute it or you don’t like it doesn’t mean that it’s a parody it was one of the few genuine things I posted here

 

[Group Project Carrier]

True, but more niggers and mohammedans means many more rapes. That affects women, and should be a concern for feminists. And I hope it is.

About 70% (I don't know what the frequency/accuracy/range of this research is, so you can think of this number as an estimate) of rapes are perpetrated by a man the woman already knows, including friends, significant others, and exes. I would assume that this takes some importance away from race.

While there are 4th-wave feminists that are cynical about mass immigration, it's not a central concern for the reason Stan mentioned, which is that feminism is about sexes and not races. Feminism is concerned with what men do to women, but not really with saying "these men are worse than those men".

Secondly, women and men on average live longer than their unmarried counterparts, and women are documented to live longer than men by half decade.

Women live longer than men by a few years on average, but I don't think that's related to marriage. Also, studies have shown that men are happier when married and women are happier when single--I believe married women even commit suicide at higher rates than single ones, but I might need to recheck this.

I mean you could hold all these beliefs, but I am also wondering if you registering on April 1st is meant to be a parody of an account that twists nuanced opinions into ridiculous ones.

I don't understand why everyone keeps flinging ad hominems around. So many of the men that come into this thread say "You believe this because you are this" instead of asking "Why do you believe this?" That's more likely to kill discussion than further it.

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

While there are 4th-wave feminists that are cynical about mass immigration, it's not a central concern for the reason Stan mentioned, which is that feminism is about sexes and not races. Feminism is concerned with what men do to women, but not really with saying "these men are worse than those men".

Well, I guess that's fair.

 

[TruffleSpark]

So what are some thoughts about women who troon out to be men?
Are they the ones who are the most self-hating in your eyes? Are they coerced by men into that life? What’s going on with it?

This can be a general question too.

There's a few reasons why women poon out. But I think a big one is that a lot of women recognise that gender roles are bullshit, but can't imagine a world outside of them. So they become trans because it's easier to imagine that it is possible for a woman to magically become a man than it is to imagine a woman who isn't a living stereotype but is no less of a woman because of it. I made a post in the man-hate thread about this, I theorised that part of the reason why tranny shit is tolerated is because these women pooning out is a sort of pressure release valve, that takes women who might have fought back against gender roles and instead gets them to adopt an identity that reinforces them.

 

[The Observer]

I’m not the ones screaming that women are worthless at 35, or beating my wife, or pulling a rekeita and saying my wife’s body is ruined after her pregnancues, or the statistic that men leave their wives 3x as often when they’re terminally ill, or doing the whole “married life is hell on earth” jokes that boomers made all the time, or saying that women were made to serve men.

Where in my comment does it suggest that I am defending that thinking, or the men who make those off-handed comments? I apologize if that post was sincere. I simply thought that your opinions are so radical that it reaches the point of parody. Even in the worst cases, I just don't think leaning on extremes is productive for anyone. It is your opinion though, and I respect it because I can understand how one reaches that conclusion.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

@AmberHeardSupporter

Have you ever read Andrea Dworkin speeches or writings? If so do you have an opinion on them?

Good gad. I am pretty sure I just told off Agendaposter about trying to elide feminism with racism. Female is not a race

This shows you're very out of touch with the feminism that came right after you turned 27 or so. Intersectional feminism is at the core of what came after and race issues are very much an issue for both feminism and gender studies.

Go to a feminist bookstore sometimes and see how roughly 10-20% of books are about anti-colonialism and/or race.

 

[AmberHeardSupporter]

Where in my comment does it suggest that I am defending that thinking, or the men who make those off-handed comments? I apologize if that post was sincere. I simply thought that your opinions are so radical that it reaches the point of parody. Even in the worst cases, I just don't think leaning on extremes is productive for anyone. It is your opinion though, and I respect it because I can understand how one reaches that conclusion.

I’m not saying you were defending it I just was saying that men saying this made me hate them and the concept of marriag. But thanks for respecting my very non extreme opinion

@AmberHeardSupporter

Have you ever read Andrea Dworkin speeches or writings? If so do you have an opinion on them?


This shows you're very out of touch with the feminism that came right after you turned 27 or so. Intersectional feminism is at the core of what came after and race issues are very much an issue for both feminism and gender studies.

Go to a feminist bookstore sometimes and see how roughly 10-20% of books are about anti-colonialism and/or race.

Yes of course. I love her speech about how she “favors violence“ it’s part of what led me here today

 

[The Observer]

Yes of course. I love her speech about how she “favors violence“ it’s part of what led me here today

Ah, that explains your beliefs. She herself is quite the sad piece of work, but I do like the fact that she understands the Palestinian struggle.

 

[TruffleSpark]

Yes of course. I love her speech about how she “favors violence“ it’s part of what led me here today

How do you feel about The SCUM Manifesto? Was Solanas too moderate? How would you have killed Andy Warhol?

 

[skekChuck]

There's a few reasons why women poon out. But I think a big one is that a lot of women recognise that gender roles are bullshit, but can't imagine a world outside of them. So they become trans because it's easier to imagine that it is possible for a woman to magically become a man than it is to imagine a woman who isn't a living stereotype but is no less of a woman because of it. I made a post in the man-hate thread about this, I theorised that part of the reason why tranny shit is tolerated is because these women pooning out is a sort of pressure release valve, that takes women who might have fought back against gender roles and instead gets them to adopt an identity that reinforces them.

That brings up a good point.
I think we have reached a point that we’re losing identity and purpose a lot. There’s not a lot of help to ground people when it comes to an identity crisis. Humans need identity, it’s something we’ve had in various forms throughout history.
Well, in place of help theres predatory trans-pushing doctors inflicting serious harm on these women too.
Look how many of them are regretting trying to troon out.

 

[TruffleSpark]

That brings up a good point.
I think we have reached a point that we’re losing identity and purpose a lot. There’s not a lot of help to ground people when it comes to an identity crisis. Humans need identity, it’s something we’ve had in various forms throughout history.
Well, in place of help theres predatory trans-pushing doctors inflicting serious harm on these women too.
Look how many of them are regretting trying to troon out.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

Yes of course. I love her speech about how she “favors violence“ it’s part of what led me here today

I favour violence. And the reason that I favour it is because the law isn't working. And as long as the law isn't working, women need to understand that they have a right to defend themselves against anyone that is attacking them. Many people prefer the legal system. I don't blame them for that. I wish it would work. It's not working. We have another 50 years to try and get it to work. We have a woman who's name I'm not remembering right now, who killed a pedophile who raped her son. It was clear that he was going to be acquitted. So she shot him. In my view she did the right thing. I admire her for what she did. So I am willing to sit down with my sisters and think about a dozen other things we could do that aren't terrible things to do. But have to do something. We can't do nothing.

Not gonna lie, Andrea Dworkin could be pretty based from time to time.

 

[Stan]

So men are just biologically hard-wired to never be able to wash their ass?

It’s the culture of their people, telling them to wash their butts is like when the Native American kids were rounded up and sent to Catholic schools, and beaten up if they spoke any language other than English.

I wish it was socially acceptable for women to wear suits and ties because I love a good tie knot or pocket square but men never bother

My man does, look for the ones involved in classical music.

ding that thinking, or the men who make those off-handed comments? I apologize

Ah, that explains your beliefs. She herself is quite the sad piece of work, but I do like the fact that she understands the Palestinian struggle.

You are being so condescending right now. We don’t need male permission to like Dworkin, I could not give two bits what you think of her. You seem to have this notion that feminism requires your approval. It doesn’t.

 

[Stan]

This shows you're very out of touch with the feminism that came right after you turned 27 or so. Intersectional feminism is at the core of what came after and race issues are very much an issue for both feminism and gender studies.

Go to a feminist bookstore sometimes and see how roughly 10-20% of books are about anti-colonialism and/or race.

Why don’t you go to a feminist bookstore and get the fuck out of this thread eh??

The fuck do YOU know about feminism.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=8niSFVcc9cc
Not gonna lie, Andrea Dworkin could be pretty based from time to time.

Don’t care what you think of her either. I’m Tired of males policing what feminism is, what feminists are good or bad or right or wrong. You’re not welcome here unless it’s to shut up and learn.

True, but more niggers and mohammedans means many more rapes. That affects women, and should be a concern for feminists. And I hope it is.

Like Project Group Carrier said, most rapes are perpetrated by someone the victim knows. That means most rapes are intraracial, not interracial. I have more to fear from the white men I know than the black men i don’t.

 

[The Observer]

If the aids won’t get to him I will


Are you really a faggot? That is so embarrassing for yourself

Isn't Riley Dennis (tranner) simply a contributor to EverydayFeminism? The founder is Sandra Kim (female). Riley isn't a homosexual. (S)He is a transbian. You would probably know him/her from the video of whether or not it is transphobia to not want to fuck a tranner if it has a dick (spoilers: s/he considers it to be so).

 

[Lemmingwiser]

Why don’t you go to a feminist bookstore and get the fuck out of this thread eh??

Half the books from my bookcase were bought at a feminist bookstore, although they definitely aren't all feminist books.

The fuck do YOU know about feminism.

Don’t care what you think of her either. I’m Tired of males policing what feminism is, what feminists are good or bad or right or wrong. You’re not welcome here unless it’s to shut up and learn.

I asked @AmberHeardSupporter what she thought about Andrea Dworkin, an author I've read more extensively than you in all likelyhood. Personally I found Dworkin's words on pornography most compelling. @AmberHeardSupporter pointed me to her speech on violence. I kind of expected to not agree with it, but I found myself 100% in agreement with what Dworkin said and I posted that I agreed. If I hadn't agreed, I probably wouldn't have said anything.

This in your mind constitutes policing what feminism is or isn't for some reason. Sorry, I can not follow your thought process here.

Where did I say what feminism shouldn't be?

 

[Dyn]

What's Lemmingwiser done wrong? He's discussing Andrea Dworkin, who is a controversial figure with split support even among radfems, and he's not wrong that intersectional/black feminism is a pretty big deal with a huge body of work behind it. It's not like he's here playing halfsmart retard wordgames and obsessing over trannies like that other guy.

A man can share his opinions without invalidating yours.