Feminism discussion thread

[Group Project Carrier]

On the other hand, all feminists support womens suffrage and right to own property, and oppose date rape and marital rape. Id say those are the real light boxes. Even most non-feminists would tick those boxes.

There is a group of people who doesn't tick any or most of those boxes

Perhaps, but she does tick some of the boxes: She is against porno, surrogacy, prostitution, troons etc.

but ticks all of these boxes:

The name for it is "far-right conservative".

They're a dime a dozen and not even slightly feminist.

What matters is not what people are against, in and of itself, but also why they are against it. For example, a man who is "anti-porn" because death-grip fapping led him to have ED at the age of 25 is not feminist either.

 

[Lurker]

i just want to remind everyone that our boy @m1ddl3m4rch is a gay moid and due to this i don't think he can argue about feminism in good faith, not that he was anyway.

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

There is a group of people who doesn't tick any or most of those boxes

Yeah, muslims

The name for it is "far-right conservative".

They're a dime a dozen and not even slightly feminist.

Id say that is a pretty big problem for contemporary feminism if true. If backwards and dimwitted far right conservative are MORE likely to be against troons in women's prison, against pornography, prostitution and surrogacy, that's a pretty big L.

That's why I don't think they are light boxes at all. Way too many feminists, and other lefties, support this shit.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

i just want to remind everyone that our boy @m1ddl3m4rch is a gay moid and due to this i don't think he can argue about feminism in good faith, not that he was anyway.

If I follow Riley Dennis's EverydayFeminism,com that'd make me a Feminist. Then we can compare notes! It's nice being with fellow Feminists, able to discuss Feminism in the Feminism discussion thread.

 

[Lurker]

If I follow Riley Dennis's EverydayFeminism,com that'd make me a Feminist. Then we can compare notes! It's nice being with fellow Feminists, able to discuss Feminism in the Feminism discussion thread.

no, that just makes you a retard and a trannychaser. a gay moid can't be a feminist, no matter what you do. lol fag

 

[Group Project Carrier]

Id say that is a pretty big problem for contemporary feminism if true. If backwards and dimwitted far right conservative are MORE likely to be against troons in women's prison, against pornography, prostitution and surrogacy, that's a pretty big L.

Basically, yes. That's why lots of women in America right now, particularly 4th-wave feminists (who are against prostitution, trannies, and everything related) describe themselves as "politically homeless"--that is, they feel like they're in a Scylla and Charybdis situation with liberalism and conservatism.

It's true that conservatives would not subject little girls to sharing their bathrooms and changing rooms with men and boys, or allow degenerate porn to be widely available to anyone, including children, who look for it (I believe Utah, a red state, has put in regulations against it), or allow illegal prostitution to crop up (as it has in New York in a certain area with a large community of Mexican immigrants). But far-rights, if they were to have full run of the place for a long period of time, would take away birth control and abortion and possibly other rights from women--maybe the right to own property or work, we don't know. American women couldn't even own bank accounts by themselves until the 1970s, so I wouldn't take anything for granted.

Mainstream liberals stand for a lot of strange things right now, but that does not necessarily make conservatism better for women.

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

Mainstream liberals stand for a lot of strange things right now, but that does not necessarily make conservatism better for women.

I think that's a fair assesment.

 

[Lidl Drip]

How is "trannies are trying to subvert your movement" supposed to be an own? Like you're just proving that feminism needs to exist even more cause men are shitty and trying to speak over women constantly, they will even go so far as to pretend they are women so they can better oppress us.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

Stand on reality and you wouldn't have to deal with these parallel universes where everything is made up and the facts don't matter.

Non-responsive to what you replied to.

If you think it's tenuous then just make a statement. Obviously I don't or I wouldn't have pointed it out.

I did. And I suppose I was giving you the benefit of the doubt for the ability to see that you didn't connect A to B to C.

I already answered this in my previous post. It reveals unflattering truths about women's choices in a market almost entirely tailored for women. If porn consumption warps male expectations of sex, the chick lit market warps female expectations of romance and commitment.

Again, non-responsive. My questions were about feminism, and this does not address that.

Statement—You're a nigger qua nigger. You're welcome for literacy, ape.

Lol, stay mad.

The Feminism currently enjoying political power thinks men in dresses are women, and ended womens sports and women's private accommodations. You tell me what's wrong with it. I'm just telling you how far away from the plot we are.

I was gently asking you to back up your assertion. As in providing facts and data. A restatement of a broad generalization doesn't strengthen it.

Which Feminism?

That was my question to you.

i just want to remind everyone that our boy @m1ddl3m4rch is a gay moid and due to this i don't think he can argue about feminism in good faith, not that he was anyway.

I have long held out against the snark that gay men hate women. I'm still not willing to concede it (anecdotal, etc.), and I go out of my way not to tie characteristics together that aren't necessarily correlated (unlike that person), but yes, I think it is clear that he either cannot or will not engage in a good-faith anything. Oh, well, not everyone is decent or reasonable. I tried!

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

How is "trannies are trying to subvert your movement" supposed to be an own? Like you're just proving that feminism needs to exist even more cause men are shitty and trying to speak over women constantly, they will even go so far as to pretend they are women so they can better oppress us.

Feminism already is subverted by trannies. I have cousins my age whose tuition was sports scholarships which are in jeopardy today. Women's sport is ruined. Lia Thomas was enabled at all levels.

Feminism already is subverted:

The refusal of so-called feminists in positions of power is never discussed, because 'we need to pick our battles".

This issue is that you keep saying this but in the real world, trannies are running Feminism Actual Lunatics are running our show.
So we need to be able to articulate everything we believe. That is what is important.
TERFs are just another denomination of feminism. It’s an actively hated one by the mainstream.

No, that’s a simplification and misunderstanding of what I’m saying. What I’m saying is Feminism has been subverted.
Like the workers movements, OWS, and every other social movement that threatens genuine power.

Anyway, yuk it up. Your movement is a joke because you refuse to make the word woman a true shibboleth, like Kellie Jaye Keen / Posie Parker.

And the first go-to dead horse punching bags are conservatives, the nebulous far-right, and white people. Camille Paglia is "anti-Feminist", but concerning all the Feminists at every level of government who bow to the tranny menace ... you have no stated opinion. Are you silent because you voted those people in?

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

Non-responsive to what you replied to.

I'm sorry you don't understand the relevance of my response.

I did. And I suppose I was giving you the benefit of the doubt for the ability to see that you didn't connect A to B to C.

I don't have to walk you through every step. I'm sorry you're confused.

Again, non-responsive. My questions were about feminism, and this does not address that.

I'm sorry you can't comprehend what I wrote.

Lol stay mad

Wash all that poop out of your skin.

I was gently asking you to back up your assertion. As in providing facts and data. A restatement of a broad generalization doesn't strengthen it.

I don't have to fetch facts and data for you to make every statement I make. I do back up my assertions, but opponents are deliberately dissatisfied and troll dissatisfaction.

That was my question to you.

I was wondering which Feminism you were referring to when you asked me a question. If you don't remember the question I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

How is "trannies are trying to subvert your movement" supposed to be an own?

I don't think it is an own. But there is a disturbing amount of feminists who supports troons and prostitution, and that is a bloody own. But yes, in a world were rapist transvestites are locked up with women, clearly some type of feminism is needed.

 

[Freya]

i just want to remind everyone that our boy @m1ddl3m4rch is a gay moid and due to this i don't think he can argue about feminism in good faith, not that he was anyway.

he thinks telling us liberal feminists exist is an epic own. lmao. i cant tell with these people if theyre trolling or just that stupid

 

[Lidl Drip]

Gay men pick-me's are even more pathetic than female pick-me's lol. I guess if you have nothing to offer than a lose anus constantly leaking poo then you need to try really hard to convince other men you are better than women because uhh.. they are stupid feminists!!! Lmfao. You can tell by his repetitive posts that the AIDS is already eating holes into his brain.

 

[AmberHeardSupporter]

You can tell by his repetitive posts that the AIDS is already eating holes into his brain.

If the aids won’t get to him I will

If I follow Riley Dennis's EverydayFeminism,com that'd make me a Feminist. Then we can compare notes! It's nice being with fellow Feminists, able to discuss Feminism in the Feminism discussion thread.

Are you really a faggot? That is so embarrassing for yourself

 

[Druveer]

The modern transgenderism movement wouldn't even exist without feminism. They use your play book.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

I'm sorry you don't understand the relevance of my response.

I don't have to walk you through every step. I'm sorry you're confused.

I'm sorry you can't comprehend what I wrote.

Wash all that poop out of your skin.

I don't have to fetch facts and data for you to make every statement I make. I do back up my assertions, but opponents are deliberately dissatisfied and troll dissatisfaction.

I was wondering which Feminism you were referring to when you asked me a question. If you don't remember the question I don't know what to tell you.

OK, guy, I softened my initial responses to you in the interests of a) being open minded, b) tamping down tetchy flames, and c) engaging in a discussion. You don't want to engage that way? Cool. But I will say that being unwilling to provide data suggests something about the quality of the comment. Not every opinion requires backup, but assertions of fact should have them. I asked for a very minimal amount of data - not even in a contentious way - and I now understand you're unwilling to provide it. But again, cool. I get it; this can't be a discussion.

opponents are deliberately dissatisfied

I did not engage with you as an opponent, but rather as a potential...what would you call it - discussion-haver? Something like that. That's why I asked a lot of still-unanswered questions about where you were coming from. Regrettable we weren't able to get further in a dialogue. Cheers!

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

But I will say that being unwilling to provide data suggests something about the quality of the comment.

That sounds reasonable but in practice there's always another proof demanded. Truth is not hostage because I don't give you sources, and neither are my statements invalidated for not fetching them for you. Something tells me you were predisposed to view the quality of my comments negatively.

I did not engage with you as an opponent, but rather as a potential...what would you call it - discussion-haver? Something like that. That's why I asked a lot of still-unanswered questions about where you were coming from. Regrettable we weren't able to get further in a dialogue.

You wrote "non-responsive" over and over like I'm in your interrogatory, and now you tell me I'm not your opponent. Maybe another discussion we have, or the next thread we bump into each other on, will go better. For what its worth, have a nice weekend.

 

[Stan]

I don't think they are light boxes at all. Quite a lot of feminists supports troons in women's prisons, they support surrogacy, and they support prostitution and porno because "sexwork is work" or some dumb shit.

On the other hand, all feminists support womens suffrage and right to own property, and oppose date rape and marital rape. Id say those are the real light boxes. Even most non-feminists would tick those boxes.

I know others said this to you already, but I’d like to join them and say that if you can’t support the core issues like “women are allowed to own debt in their own names” but you support the easy ones like “men =\= women, men who say they’re women are mentally ill”, then your support is as worthless S tits on a bull.

And what about racism? Are there any well known feminists who oppose the invasion of Europe by millions of African rapeniggers and savage mohammedans? It seems to me, that if you are serious about feminism, you should go all 1488 on immigrants, muslims and streetshitters.

Good gad. I am pretty sure I just told off Agendaposter about trying to elide feminism with racism. Female is not a race.

i just want to remind everyone that our boy @m1ddl3m4rch is a gay moid and due to this i don't think he can argue about feminism in good faith, not that he was anyway.

He’s not *just* a gay moid, he’s a gay moid who also claims to be an Orthodox Jew. He’s a disappointment to his family and community and he’s eternally angry at women for being unable to please his faggot dick enough to cope with marrying one.

no, that just makes you a retard and a trannychaser. a gay moid can't be a feminist, no matter what you do. lol fag

I think some gay men can be earnest feminists, or at least earned men’s liberationists (subset of feminism devoted to how patriarchy also harms men, deprograms men of chauvinist and sexist ideology that is harmful to them). But not this faggot. He’s too bent out of shape about the whole God-made-him-gay thing.

he thinks telling us liberal feminists exist is an epic own. lmao. i cant tell with these people if theyre trolling or just that stupid

He’s in the uncanny valley where it doesn’t matter, too autistic to troll, too MATI to earnestly engage with the subject at hand.
At least he can manage the basic politeness of not calling us all cunts repeatedly, but only after his butt buddies got time-outs for doing it.

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

I know others said this to you already, but I’d like to join them and say that if you can’t support the core issues like “women are allowed to own debt in their own names” but you support the easy ones like “men =\= women, men who say they’re women are mentally ill”, then your support is as worthless S tits on a bull.

Can you name a single known feminist who does not support that "women are allowed debt in their own name"? I doubt that there are any, and Mary Harrington certainly is not one.

But there are plenty of well known feminists, who thinks that "transwomen are women", and some who thinks that "sex work is work". That makes the latter issue more important. Its in contention.

There are right know crossdressing men in women's prison, which is supported by at least some prominent feminists, like, for example, the leaders of the Scottish Greens. That's a real dividing issue.

Good gad. I am pretty sure I just told off Agendaposter about trying to elide feminism with racism. Female is not a race.

True, but more niggers and mohammedans means many more rapes. That affects women, and should be a concern for feminists. And I hope it is.