Feminism discussion thread

[I'm a Silly]

Feminists are often asked whether pornography causes rape. The fact is that rape and prostitution caused and continue to cause pornography. Politically, culturally, socially, sexually, and economically, rape and prostitution generated pornography; and pornography depends for its continued existence on the rape and prostitution of women.
- Pornography and Male Supremacy (1981), Letters from a War Zone, p 230. - Andrea Dworkin

And porn is used in the commission of rape; groomers, tricks, and pimps use it to instruct/coerce mainly minor females in cases of statutory rape and sex trafficking.

 

[Kiwisee]

Speaking of sex trafficking, I thought it'd be appropriate to share some telltale signs that an OF “model” is a trafficking victim. Keep in mind that not all sex trafficking victims will recognize the signs themselves, and may actively downplay it. Promoting any form of sex trafficking as “empowering” and “sexually liberating” is nothing new; recruiters have always used both phrases to make prostitution appear glamorous to desperate and impressionable targets.

Onto the telltale signs:

•The model in question is being pushed by big media outlets. Chances are, someone with a lot of disposable cash wants to make their investment back, so they'll pay media outlets to promote the “model” that they've invested in.

•The model has connections to social media influencers. Mickinley Richardson, Natalie Reynolds and many other OF “models” have less than one degree of separation from the likes of Jack Doherty, Logan Paul, and many other “influencers”. Those “influencers” are on their payrolls and make money from the OF earnings. If you see an influencer surrounding himself with OF “models”, chances are he's pimping girls out on many different platforms to fund the luxury lifestyle they like to flaunt on Instagram or TikTok. The likelihood that the social media influencers are pimping out kids are very fucking high.

•The OF “model” her parents on the payroll. No parent worth a damn would want to profit from their child (no matter how old) being sexually abused in any shape or form. Chances are very high that this behavior is nothing new if the parents are on the payroll (ergo, they may have a history of either engaging in sexual abuse and/or they may have pimped out their child in the past). I must repeat, no parent would be okay with making any profits from their child debasing themselves in any shape or form, especially sexually.

•The OF “model” has a boyfriend on the payroll. It’s highly unlikely she's the only one,

•The “model” in question is an addict of some kind. Whether it be to pills, hard drugs, alcohol, junk food; these are red flags alone. Prostitutes abuse drugs to deal with their line of work, as do OF “models”. For the “model”, she's forced to deal with some extremely unsavory people who are parasocially attached to her. “Simps” are in the same category as Johns are, good men do not buy sex or a crumb of a woman’s attention.

For more information, an article, titled “The Role in only fans and sex trafficking”.

Further reading:
Enslaved on OnlyFans
Unmasking the Dark Side of OnlyFans
Multiple OnlyFans accounts feature suspected child sexual abuse material
An in-depth financial analysis between OnlyFans and sex trafficking
Why we can't ignore OnlyFans during human trafficking awareness month

There's a million more articles from where that came from.

If there are any zoomer or gen alpha girlies reading this, allow me to impart to you with this advice:

If anyone, whether it be via media hit piece or on Xitter, tries to convince you that selling pictures of your snatch on OnlyFans will make you an empowered wealthy queen..

THEY ARE TRYING TO RECRUIT YOU INTO A TRAFFICKING RING! YOU ARE STATISCALLY UNLIKELY TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE A MANSION THROUGH ONLINE PROSTITUTION. DO NOT FALL FOR THE PRO-TRAFFICKING PSYOP THAT HAS BEEN NORMALIZED BY LIBERAL PICKMES AND TRAFFICKERS!

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

The evil subhuman who owns OF lives in an enormous mansion in Florida and has no care in the world. Its a stain on all of us that we allow these parasites to share our atmosphere and walk freely around unmolested.

 

[I'm a Silly]

The evil subhuman who owns OF lives in an enormous mansion in Florida and has no care in the world. Its a stain on all of us that we allow these parasites to share our atmosphere and walk freely around unmolested.

Leonid Radvinsky also has financial ties to Israel-based B4X and the social networking software Pleroma and the Elixir programming language.

For more information, an article, titled “The Role in only fans and sex trafficking”.

https://archive.ph/SDyIw

Further reading:
Enslaved on OnlyFans

https://archive.ph/QyeG8

Unmasking the Dark Side of OnlyFans

https://archive.ph/v8dlf

Multiple OnlyFans accounts feature suspected child sexual abuse material

https://archive.ph/dEzfk

An in-depth financial analysis between OnlyFans and sex trafficking

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Why we can't ignore OnlyFans during human trafficking awareness month

There's a million more articles from where that came from.

https://archive.ph/1U9Bl

 

[Stan]

The evil subhuman who owns OF lives in an enormous mansion in Florida and has no care in the world. Its a stain on all of us that we allow these parasites to share our atmosphere and walk freely around unmolested.

((he ain't the only one; many such cases))

 

[Head Muggle]

M'ladies *tips trilby twice*
A couple of weeks ago I asked for recommendations of books against Butler and especially against Gender Troubles. I realize that this is a better thread to ask than the advice thread, I will crosspost to here.

Do any femoids here know of books tackling Judith Butler's nonsense and showing why it's BS? Especially Gender Trouble. The more academic the better but not saying no to polemicals either.
I'm in a uni course that goes over various contemporary and relevant philosophical texts. I'd love to read up on arguments against her so I can better perform my role as iconoclast who argues against the popular, lefty notion that fills the humanities nowadays.

If anyone of you would know of a good author to read into or papers or books, I'd appreciate it very much. I'd like to provoke but also argue with good reasons why she's an idiot muddying political actions of women.

Right now I'm working out three points:

1. That regardless of the theory there is a biological and political reality of one half of the population being endangered to the other half and to lose the means to speak for the subjugated part puts them at higher risk.
2. Following from the first point that the lack of female identifier leads to horrible consequences such as men being incarcerated with women just because they say they're women now (this peaked friends of mine).
3. Likening Drag to Blackface and denying any subversive activity of Drag.

It's rather difficult to find "proper academic sources" because I dislike using news sites but there is very little in terms of published papers.
Please let me know if you had to deal with Butler and her BS. Thank you.

 

[I'm a Silly]

The original reason for this post = I want to say that I am continuing to invalidate the terms, "cis" and "TERF," as they were coined by rapists. "Trannies" is a nice thing to call them. We all know that they are sissy porn fetishists who have rape ideation and should be so named.

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M'ladies *tips trilby twice*
A couple of weeks ago I asked for recommendations of books against Butler and especially against Gender Troubles. I realize that this is a better thread to ask than the advice thread, I will crosspost to here.

If anyone of you would know of a good author to read into or papers or books, I'd appreciate it very much. I'd like to provoke but also argue with good reasons why she's an idiot muddying political actions of women.

Right now I'm working out three points:

1. That regardless of the theory there is a biological and political reality of one half of the population being endangered to the other half and to lose the means to speak for the subjugated part puts them at higher risk.
2. Following from the first point that the lack of female identifier leads to horrible consequences such as men being incarcerated with women just because they say they're women now (this peaked friends of mine).
3. Likening Drag to Blackface and denying any subversive activity of Drag.

It's rather difficult to find "proper academic sources" because I dislike using news sites but there is very little in terms of published papers.
Please let me know if you had to deal with Butler and her BS. Thank you.

I found 2 editions of a book:

 

[NoBueno]

Sorry for busting in here. Just found some things while schizo conspiracy searching and looking for patterns

https://www.lilithgallery.com/library/lilith/Lilith-Isis-Gello.html

 

[Écho Öwl]

Q: any worthy successor to Ovarit?

 

[I'm a Silly]

Q: any worthy successor to Ovarit?

Are you on Spinster? It's just a Fediverse thing, but it's still around. It's funny, back when I wasn't wary of poa.st, I'd hop among all my different fedi accounts, but since that time, I rarely hang out on any of them.

 

[Stan]

Not naming people or sperg'd threads but I'm always surprised by the wounded masculinity I get with guys specifically inviting me and others to comment on why us dumb broads hate men so goddamn much, don't you know we could snap you like a twig if we wanted to?!

Worst part is that if you summarize what they say in the WHT clubhouse thread they act like that's sooo caricatured and sooo extreme, and then in the next post it's also totally reasonable and normal to deny women BC and abortion and act like I'm crazy for asking them whether their problem is with using BC or abortion, cause those are two horses of very different colors. They really act like having a baby is just some momentary discomfort that women owe men to do, they got no idea what it's like to have a child, most of them have none. It's so embarrassing for them, they have no pride in being fathers even hypothetically.

So I say, well, I gotta hold your own words against ye, but then I'm the bitch feminist holding them accountable for words and whatnot...
If they tell me they think the primary value of women is their reproductive ability... well, I disagree.

These men are weak and lame.

 

[I'm a Silly]

comment on why us dumb broads hate men so goddamn much, don't you know we could snap you like a twig if we wanted to?!

Classic rational sex behavior; seems familiar:

These men are weak and lame.

As an aside, they aren't all NEETs, but it doesn't matter, because just a tiny bit of observation reveals how depressed they are. The employed ones are miserable. Now I get why they pitifully mask all their hatred of women in the workplace as empathy for women who have chosen work outside the home in some sort of devil's bargain -- the males are the ones who regret their choices. Well, lads, there's an easy fix: become a stay-at-home dad! No surprise, then, that they outsource their happiness to being served by what porn has trained them to see as the entertainment class, the female of the species.
Additionally, a layer of decades-long grievance indoctrination from academia has itself settled into the atmosphere, transforming what used to be honor culture [pride would never allow this] into grievance-for-everyone forever.
Disentangling this mess is for mentally healthy adults, but because the Internet seems to turn everyone into puerile narcissists, that ain't happenin'.

Worst part is that if you summarize what they say in the WHT clubhouse thread they act like that's sooo caricatured and sooo extreme, and then in the next post it's also totally reasonable and normal to deny women BC and abortion and act like I'm crazy for asking them whether their problem is with using BC or abortion, cause those are two horses of very different colors. They really act like having a baby is just some momentary discomfort that women owe men to do, they got no idea what it's like to have a child, most of them have none. It's so embarrassing for them, they have no pride in being fathers even hypothetically.

So I say, well, I gotta hold your own words against ye, but then I'm the [i'm into bestiality] feminist holding them accountable for words and whatnot...
If they tell me they think the primary value of women is their reproductive ability... well, I disagree.

Also, I'm pro-abortion in the same way that I'm pro-oxygen. I cannot change the elements in the atmosphere any more than I can change the fact that god-and-mother-nature see to it that the vast majority of pregnancies are aborted/terminated/miscarried.

Miscarriage : in order to give life, women’s bodies need to give death​

Spontaneous abortion, also called a miscarriage, is integral part of motherhood and an asset to human fertility​

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Spontaneous abortion is a scary experience and it was also feared by our female ancestors. Miscarriage is a major source of anxiety for pregnant women eager to conceive a child. After a miscarriage, many women experience various feelings such as sadness, grief, guilt, shame, lower self-esteem, emptiness, or anxiety about their fertility. Feeling sad or anxious after a loss is inevitable, but we could significantly improve the mental and emotional recovery of women if we normalized conversation about miscarriage and stopped christian disinformation about spontaneous abortion and women’s fertility.

The burden of shame and the christian fear-mongering about spontaneous and medicalized abortions​

Experiencing negative emotions such as sadness, grief or anxiety is a normal thing since miscarriage is a brutal encounter with death in the precise moment when we deeply want to welcome life. One month after miscarriage, a third of women have post-traumatic stress. Nine month after, the rate is still 18 percent. Depression is also frequent.
Sadness after a loss cannot be avoided but several things could be avoided : shame, stigma, and misinformation.
A US survey conducted in 2016 found that 41 percent of women who had a miscarriage believed it was because of something they did wrong and 47 percent felt guilty. In countries ruled by christian sharia law, women literally risk being sent to jail for a miscarriage, because conservative christians regard women as evil witches who abort just for fun.
All around the world, christian organizations spend millions of dollars bombarding women with anti-abortion propaganda. They portray abortion as an abnormality and a monstrosity. They terrorize women by diffusing the lie that abortion causes sterility. They call women who abort murderers.
Anti-abortion propaganda constantly hides a simple truth : abortion is a normal part of most women’s lives, whether the abortion has been decided by the woman’s consciousness or by her body.
Quite often, abortion is half a conscious choice, half nature’s choice. When a severe deformity is diagnosed, it generally means that the chances of survival of the fetus are very low. In that situation most women chose medicalized abortion, to avoid suffering even more by losing naturally their baby at an extremely advanced stage of pregnancy.
A very common procedure when in vitro fetal death or full miscarriage happens in the first semester is dilation and curettage (D&C). This is the same procedure as for abortion on demand. Fear-mongering about abortion on demand is also fear-mongering about miscarriage healthcare.
Christian anti-abortion lobbyists are so cruel to miscarrying women that they recently introduced a bill asking doctors to mentally torture miscarrying women by forcing them to prolong the agony of their embryos. A 2020 Ohio bill orders doctors to ‘reimplant ectopic pregnancy’ or face ‘abortion murder’ charges. This procedure has never been successful in the history of science and is considered impossible. An ectopic pregnancy is a pathological pregnancy that occurs outside of the uterus, generally in the Fallopian tube. The embryo never survives and if the body fails to perform a spontaneous abortion early enough or no medical abortion is performed on the woman, then the woman is at high risk of dying or losing the ability to conceive. Forcing doctors to attempt an impossible reimplantation instead of just performing the abortion and letting the woman move on with her life and get pregnant again later if she wants to, is just pure gynophobia.

Spontaneous abortion is THE MOST COMMON outcome of conception​

Miscarriage is way more common than what people think. The 2016 survey showed that on average, American people estimate that 6 percent of pregnancies end up miscarrying. In reality, recent research shows that “most human pregnancies end in miscarriage”. Yes. You heard it right. Most of them.
Miscarriage “is not an abnormality, it’s the norm,” says geneticist William Richard Rice of the University of California.

Spontaneous abortions are beneficial to women’s health and fertility​

Most spontaneous abortions remain unnoticed because they happen at an early stage. The invisible to the naked eye embryo is evacuated during menstruation as if nothing happened. The earlier miscarriage happens, the better it is for the woman’s health and fertility. Spontaneous abortions happen when our body detects that something is wrong. Human females have the biggest rate of miscarriage in the entire mammal class because human pregnancy, childbirth, and childcare cost us huge amounts of energy and time and expose us to fatal hazards.
If our body detects that something is wrong, an immune response is triggered and abortion is caused. That way, we avoid death or severe injury, or extreme loss of resources. Since women can get pregnant every month, they can easily make new attempts of conception. If a miscarriage happens within the first eight weeks of pregnancy, it usually takes 4–6 weeks for menstruation to return. It is possible to be fertile again immediately after a miscarriage, meaning a woman can become pregnant even before their menstruation returns. If it is a late miscarriage, ovulation takes a few weeks more to come back, but it is still a relatively fast process.
Pregnancy costs a lot of energy to women. Humans have a big skull and a narrow pelvis, which increases the risk of fatal complications during childbirth, compared to many other species. Then, once the baby is born, it takes a very long time before the little human can walk, defend himself and find food by himself. Having babies is very costly to women. That’s why evolution favored women who easily miscarry.

Although miscarriage is an emotionally painful experience, it is a life-saving decision made by our body to protect our health and allow us to become a mother in a safer way a little bit later. Miscarriage, aka spontaneous abortion, is healthcare provided by our body. On-demand abortion is healthcare provided by doctors. Both spontaneous and on-demand abortion are part of the lives of billions of women. If you want to become a mother and had any sort of abortion, please always remember that abortion is one of the many steps of the life of most mothers. In order to give life, women’s bodies need to give death.

Taking the above into account, the amount of elective/medicalized terminations that occur is a drop in the bucket and proves that no one is pro-life nearly as much as a human being who wants to preserve her own existence. To be pro-life is to wish that female life is treasured above a fetus fetish, but alas, this is never so.




[long version up there]

By the way, it occurred to me that cracking down on abortion rights might be an elbow-in to expanding the further proliferation of organ harvesting; removing the rights of the dead would be the next step, even if it's painfully obvious that living women have fewer rights.
Timely: https://x.com/JenniferLahl/status/1924506276501086392 | https://ghostarchive.org/archive/TQX2D

The real moral/ethical issue here has to do with the meaning of the human body and the relationship between mother and child. The woman is legally dead. Sustaining a dead body to incubate a child is no different than gestating a baby in an artificial womb, or pod - it is rather like extracorporeal gestation.
Gestating a child in this manner is wrong from two perspectives. The child is wronged, being gestated apart from a living mother and the woman is wronged. Her body should be honored with a prompt and decent burial. Using her body, in any manner of ways, treats her body as a thing which is at our disposal.

-- see related PDF below


I'll post it when I find it, but I thought there was a KF post on the biological resources used and how a woman's body transforms during pregnancy.
Until I find it, Physiology, Maternal Changes and Physiological Changes and Interactions Between Microbiome and the Host During Pregnancy will have to do.
Here are other bio-related posts:

https://embed.kiwifarms.st/threads/official-kiwi-farms-man-hate-thread.169351/post-20495466

https://embed.kiwifarms.st/threads/official-kiwi-farms-man-hate-thread.169351/post-17760618

Silly tax:

 

[scrunkledorf]

Q: any worthy successor to Ovarit?

I'm wondering this as well. Ovarit's shutdown is a large part of how I've gone from occasionally browsing the farms to being a regular lurker.

There is a vacuum in the online gender critical space right now. I know stinkditch exists, but KF might be able to benefit from also making a forum dedicated to conversation similar to what was hosted on Ovarit. More stuff about overall studies/rhetoric/venting.

 

[Null]

I'm wondering this as well. Ovarit's shutdown is a large part of how I've gone from occasionally browsing the farms to being a regular lurker.

There is a vacuum in the online gender critical space right now. I know stinkditch exists, but KF might be able to benefit from also making a forum dedicated to conversation similar to what was hosted on Ovarit. More stuff about overall studies/rhetoric/venting.

does this board not serve that purpose?

 

[scrunkledorf]

does this board not serve that purpose?

It sort of does. gorl tawk overall seems more generalist, and this thread is cool, but I guess my nitpick is that it's just a thread. I miss having a board full of organized threads dedicated to gc-related news/talking points/vents. I don't know if having something like that on KF is viable or desirable to the community here anyway.

I'm sure something will pop up somewhere else on the internet eventually, so I'll just enjoy this space for whatever it looks like rn. I still have mumsnet too.

 

[Chandelier]

This might be off topic, but in relation to that BBC article about Chinese fujos getting their gay porn cracked down upon, it brings to mind how certain women will still prioritize males and view them as a conduit for their own sexuality as men can be free in theirs. I fail to see how a nation that aborted their sisters by the millions is going to be brought down by white yaoi. You are not rejecting your male centric culture; you're embracing it in a different way with yourself as the "feminine" man.

You want to send a message? Make the yaoi lead a nigger. You'll see that instinctual hatred come right out. This is as dark as they'll go:

C.S. Pacat is a white woman pretending to be a queer. You can tell what her preferences are.

Oh, and related: men really need to take care of their feet. Saw a guy with a nasty case of toe nail fungus and that shit was CURLING.

 

[boxtail]

This might be off topic, but in relation to that BBC article about Chinese fujos getting their gay porn cracked down upon, it brings to mind how certain women will still prioritize males and view them as a conduit for their own sexuality as men can be free in theirs. I fail to see how a nation that aborted their sisters by the millions is going to be brought down by white yaoi. You are not rejecting your male centric culture; you're embracing it in a different way with yourself as the "feminine" man.

You want to send a message? Make the yaoi lead a nigger. You'll see that instinctual hatred come right out. This is as dark as they'll go:
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C.S. Pacat is a white woman pretending to be a queer. You can tell what her preferences are.

Oh, and related: men really need to take care of their feet. Saw a guy with a nasty case of toe nail fungus and that shit was CURLING.

Im so sick of women getting criticized cause their yaoi isnt 100% fluffy and woke enough. Oh the yaoi sub is slightly darker than the dom? Switch out the brown sub with a woman and suddenly nothing is off the table in terms of problematic dynamics and treatment. Men just cant stand women expressing any kind of sexuality that they cant use as an avenue to insert themselves into.

 

[YWNBAM]

You are not rejecting your male centric culture; you're embracing it in a different way with yourself as the "feminine" man.

Preach, sis. I hope that banning yaoi will motivate Chinese women to openly show their sexuality and desire for men without self-inserting into a male image.

Women were shamed for centuries for showing interest in men, bl fiction is an extension of this misogynistic prejudice, not a way to counter it.

 

[boxtail]

Preach, sis. I hope that banning yaoi will motivate Chinese women to openly show their sexuality and desire for men without self-inserting into a male image.

Women were shamed for centuries for showing interest in men, bl fiction is an extension of this misogynistic prejudice, not a way to counter it.

Cause regular porn is so femanist. Men can watch loli/incest/rape as much as they want but as soon as I dont have an interest in self inserting into porn I'm being "misogynistic". Get real, the only reason men hate yaoi is because they only want women to enjoy sexual fantasies that they can imagine themselves on the receiving end of.

 

[Feels Badman]

Why does anyone need weird porn, and why do people always feel the need to defend their weird porn every time it's brought up? I wish I lived in a normal world full of normal people.

Edit: You know you can just be attracted to men in a normal way instead of imagining them having gay sex? Fujoshit is disgusting and the fact that men manage to be even more disgusting doesn't change that. You should not be using male porn habits as your bar for what's acceptable. The real reason men harp on gross porn made for women is because they think it makes theirs look less awful, and you're playing into that by defending your own porn use. They don't hate that fujos exist, they're happy you exist because they can pretend all women are secretly just as gross as they are.