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Well i mean at its height you could of traded one of those fancy rare tulips for a thousand pounds of cheese. Which is a lot for the 1600's. A month ago you could of traded one bitcoin for 20k usd. Thats the comparison i was trying to make...that wild mass speculation drastically overinflated the thing that was being traded.

Other than volatility, though, the analogy completely breaks. Anyone who started an industrial scale farm pumping out tulip bulbs could have obliterated that market instantly. There is no similar method to flood the market with a well designed cryptocurrency. There's no central authority that can deflate its value by simply printing more of it.

It also lacks the vulnerability of commodities like gold or other material substances, because similarly, the market can't suddenly be flooded by a glut of it, and almost more importantly, it's "useless" so there is no alternative use, like an industrial use, that can suddenly compete for the limited supply and influence its value that way.

Its volatility and blockchain delays make it less than optimal as a currency for spending, though. (Ironically, the meme shitcoin known as Dogecoin is a lot better for the kind of microtransactions and instant transactions than BTC because of the speed of its blockchain.)
 
I'm sure they're aware that fractional reserve banking is a "thing" but what they never seem to appreciate is that isn't just an issue with debt/credit/money/reserves but its largely a computer and communication problem.

No offense, but this is word salad. Fractional reserve banking isn't a "computer problem," it's a fundamental part pf how banks have done business for the past 400 years. Literally anyone who wasn't stoned in hisotry class or who has watched It's a Wonderful Life knows that banks only keep a limited amount of your money on hand. It's not an "issue," it's the thing that allows them to provide mortgages and loans to small businesses.

Other than volatility, though, the analogy completely breaks. Anyone who started an industrial scale farm pumping out tulip bulbs could have obliterated that market instantly.

No industrial farm could possibly keep up with the insane exponential demand. The whole point of these bubbles is that the price becomes unmoored from the actual supply/demand value. Look at the past 3 months of crypto: the underlying tech didn't change much, but the price skyrocketed wildly and then crashed. It's obvious that the market lost rationality.
 
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No offense, but this is word salad. Fractional reserve banking isn't a "computer problem," it's a fundamental part pf how banks have done business for the past 400 years. Literally anyone who wasn't stoned in hisotry class or who has watched It's a Wonderful Life knows that banks only keep a limited amount of your money on hand. It's not an "issue," it's the thing that allows them to provide mortgages and loans to small businesses.

It wasn't a "computer problem" until relatively recently in history (the invention of telex/ATM).

The reason its an "issue" comes down to trust. Because the banks cannot universally agree on things (they don't use a common ledger) it means that it takes a decent amount of time for transactions to occur. When I say "universally agree" I mean concensus, which is what the Byzantine General's Problem is:

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If banks can't communicate properly it not only means that any transactions take days/weeks/months to settle but it also means the world's economy is largely unknown because everything is permanently in a state of balancing. imho, this is why fractional reserve banking is problematic, not the concept of it, but the idea that its largely impossible to know what actually exists and what doesn't.

People don't see it as a problem because they typically think of a bank in their city/state/country. Its a problem when you look at things on a global scale.
 
This is all a bad joke right? It says BCC is at 30$ on CoinMarketCap. People on Telegram are telling me that BCC is not even 8$ worth now? If this is real, Im ruined. Like really fucking ruined. I have nothing left. I put everything I had into this, because I trusted them. Literally all of my familys savings are in BCC, because a friend told me the risk was worth it. Are you telling me I lost everything? 80,000$ gone like nothing? Im so angry right now. My wife doesnt know yet. She will come home soon. What am I going to fucking tell her. How am I suppossed to care for my family now? I have literally nothing right now. My wife has two sons and I am unemployed. How am I suppossed to take care of them now??? I hope someone pays for this mess. If not with money then with a sentence.
 
This is all a bad joke right? It says BCC is at 30$ on CoinMarketCap. People on Telegram are telling me that BCC is not even 8$ worth now? If this is real, Im ruined. Like really fucking ruined. I have nothing left. I put everything I had into this, because I trusted them. Literally all of my familys savings are in BCC, because a friend told me the risk was worth it. Are you telling me I lost everything? 80,000$ gone like nothing? Im so angry right now. My wife doesnt know yet. She will come home soon. What am I going to fucking tell her. How am I suppossed to care for my family now? I have literally nothing right now. My wife has two sons and I am unemployed. How am I suppossed to take care of them now??? I hope someone pays for this mess. If not with money then with a sentence.


Did you really put 80k into meme dollars
 
No offense, but this is word salad. Fractional reserve banking isn't a "computer problem," it's a fundamental part pf how banks have done business for the past 400 years. Literally anyone who wasn't stoned in hisotry class or who has watched It's a Wonderful Life knows that banks only keep a limited amount of your money on hand. It's not an "issue," it's the thing that allows them to provide mortgages and loans to small businesses.

It's also a rather important issue that the very idea of cryptocurrency is antithetical to fractional reserve banking, not in terms of FRB existing somewhere in the world, but if it's FRB, it isn't crypto.

This isn't necessarily an ideological thing, but it is no coincidence that a lot of the people drawn to crypto are fanatically opposed to the very idea of FRB.

(I think it is, drawbacks or not, more or less necessary in a modern economy, but many crypto fanatics disagree.)

Did you really put 80k into meme dollars

Can you really not recognize copypasta?

Yup. My wife and my wife's sons have left me. It's over. I'm just waiting til I build up the will to end it.

Do a 100 Tide Pod challenge. And then a flip.

No industrial farm could possibly keep up with the insane exponential demand. The whole point of these bubbles is that the price becomes unmoored from the actual supply/demand value. Look at the past 3 months of crypto: the underlying tech didn't change much, but the price skyrocketed wildly and then crashed. It's obvious that the market lost rationality.

I'm not disagreeing on the volatility or the evanescence of "price," which is an entirely separate thing from value. The ability to generate unlimited amounts of fiat currency or tulip bulbs or whatever directly impacts actual value.

A commodity that is inherently limited in supply has an attribute that fiat currency doesn't. The reason the dollar has value isn't that it inherently has value. It doesn't. It's that the United States can be trusted, in the minds of most people who work for and spend and invest in and speculate on dollars, not to go utterly insane and just print out 50 trillion dollars tomorrow and turn it into some Zimbabwe currency.

Those people are actually reasonable to trust the U.S. not to do that. It's not insane, although many crypto fanatics have paranoid beliefs otherwise and think the Fed is going to do this tomorrow just to initiate Armageddon or whatever.

However, whatever reason you have to distrust fiat currency (I have a few I won't go into now), it has the advantage that you don't need to trust anyone at all to use it. You just have to trust math. I trust math.
 
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It's also a rather important issue that the very idea of cryptocurrency is antithetical to fractional reserve banking, not in terms of FRB existing somewhere in the world, but if it's FRB, it isn't crypto.

This isn't necessarily an ideological thing, but it is no coincidence that a lot of the people drawn to crypto are fanatically opposed to the very idea of FRB.

IMHO, the hardcore crypto guys who think dogecoin is going to tear down the entire banking system probably need to work out how crypto is going to provide the services fractional reserve systems provide. As shitty and corrupt as banks are, gl having an economy without consumer business loans.
 
IMHO, the hardcore crypto lindsayfans who think Bancor is going to tear down the entire banking system probably need to work out how crypto is going to provide the services fractional reserve systems provide. As shitty and corrupt as banks are, gl having an economy without consumer business loans.
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"In the past, the difficulty and costs of liquidating, transferring, and storing assets has required lenders to focus on the creditworthiness of their borrower as well as the value of their borrower’s assets. This inefficiency results in limited accessibility to cash and higher interest rates for borrowers."

Sounds like a recipie for disaster. "We're going to hand out loans and not worry about how scuzzy and uncreditworthy the lenders are."
 
"In the past, the difficulty and costs of liquidating, transferring, and storing assets has required lenders to focus on the creditworthiness of their borrower as well as the value of their borrower’s assets. This inefficiency results in limited accessibility to cash and higher interest rates for borrowers."

Sounds like a recipie for disaster. "We're going to hand out loans and not worry about how scuzzy and uncreditworthy the lenders are."


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Wait, where does SALT's capital come from? Are they using investor capital to give out loans? Congrats, we've just re-invented fractional reserve banking!
 
IMHO, the hardcore crypto guys who think dogecoin is going to tear down the entire banking system probably need to work out how crypto is going to provide the services fractional reserve systems provide. As shitty and corrupt as banks are, gl having an economy without consumer business loans.

"hardcore crypto guys" is a very relative thing (I'm not trying to mansplain it to you if you weren't aware of it already, but perhaps it'll be interesting reading for someone).

The precursor to Bitcoin is Proof of Work which dates back from at least 1993/1999:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof-of-work_system

Originally it was intended to add a "cost" to sending an email to cut down on the amount of penis enlargement spam in the 90s.

The "hardcore crypto guys" are not really the people who are involved with cryptocurrency but are rather known as "cypherpunks".
Cypherpunks is like cyberpunks except they believe in cryptography (not necessarily cryptocurrency). Very many of the cypherpunks either don't care about cryptocurrency (but do care about cryptography) in general or have doubted Bitcoin since it was first released.

If they were actually confident in Bitcoin then they'd all be millionaires right now but the vast majority of them had good reason to doubt Bitcoin, because it wasn't exactly the first attempt at the concept of cryptocurrency (https://themerkle.com/top-4-cryptocurrency-projects-created-ahead-of-bitcoin/)

Bitcoin was just an amalgamation of preexisting concepts/projects and its success was pretty much a completely unpredictable fluke even to the "hardcore crypto guys". For many it was just a "cool project" that they probably installed once and then forgot about.

The other thing is that the number of people who can actually create a project like Bitcoin (copying and pasting Bitcoin/Litecoin/whatever code and adapting a few things is not particularly amazing) or any other mildly innovative cryptocurrency is very low, so when people talk about the autists behind it all they usually don't realize its like 100-1000 people on the planet.

So when you see those "expert" or "hardcore" talking heads on imageboards and Twitter sperging about how cryptocurrency will achieve some amazing thing by a certain date they are pretty much guaranteed to be full of shit not only when it comes to economics/finance but also when it comes to the technology itself.
 
So when you see those "expert" or "hardcore" talking heads on imageboards and Twitter sperging about how cryptocurrency will achieve some amazing thing by a certain date they are pretty much guaranteed to be full of shit not only when it comes to economics/finance but also when it comes to the technology itself.

This is more or less true about any new technology that shows promise. It's worth cautious optimism but if someone starts spouting messianic bullshit about how some new gadget is going to set off Rapture just ignore them because they're idiots.
 
Yup. My wife and my wife's sons have left me. It's over. I'm just waiting til I build up the will to end it.
please tell me that this is elaborate trolling or something

edit: it's a copy pasta. thank god, i didn't want to see him get ruined like this
 
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