Fanfiction Horrors

[Chandelier]

seem to recall that was equally prevalent as Omegaverse when they were both starting, and then one outpaced the other. I would like someone to write scholarly works on this please.

Mpreg used to be somewhat popular as a niche trope, now ABO outpaces it because it waves away ass babies for weird human/dog anatomy. What gets me is how serious the authors take this trope, especially being people of a progressive tilt. They hate gender stereotypes and argue sex/gender isn't binary while adhering to a strict caste system you absolutely cannot identify out of. The self awareness is sorely lacking.

I've only read a few ABO fics where it actually worked: one was in Elden Ring and the alpha was Blaidd, an actual wolf man. The author got praise because she wrote it in a way that actually made sense and the omega legitimately suffered from the urges. The rest are only good for poking fun.

Truly, this is the worst kind of spergery.

The autistic females writing these works don't have the kind of autism that, say, leads to location finding based on the reflection on the eyes. Or an eye for details. When one asks them how their little caste system works - how did alphas evolve, and why are they graces with God given rights? - they shrug their shoulders. It doesn't occur to them. Or they get snarky and say you're being too mean to them.

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Before I take a crack at a pooner rape fic (plenty of those to go around) here were a few titles I just picked up browsing the Soap/Ghost tag.

A classic piss fetish fic. With ABO and female anatomy!

A Merfolk AU. Weird how there aren't any crossovers with Wicked Tuna; those guys would sell these people to your local Chinese shop for $1k per pound.

"Gay military men" with vaginas:


Mommy fetish with pooners:

Testosterone really fries these people's brains. I miss the dorky girls with passions, not the crybaby doods who don't even bother to make an effort.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Mpreg used to be somewhat popular as a niche trope, now ABO outpaces it because it waves away ass babies for weird human/dog anatomy. What gets me is how serious the authors take this trope, especially being people of a progressive tilt. They hate gender stereotypes and argue sex/gender isn't binary while adhering to a strict caste system you absolutely cannot identify out of. The self awareness is sorely lacking.

This is why it's so fascinating to me, and I hope someone is keeping track of trends from a literary anthropology sort of standpoint. It's an omnibus fetish, and different authors clearly like different parts of it.

Obviously there's something similar between vampire fledglings fighting bloodlust and Omegas fighting heat, say, and it's going to get market capture of that demographic the same way women who want to write mpreg are likely to go with A/B/O since that's the style of the current time. Some authors are really into the dog cock and "pups," and some authors really do go more into the oppression/worldbuilding aspect, or the sex pollen aspect. Or the ones who take male Alpha (so double male?) characters and write "bitching" so it's fantasy force-fem, including loss of social role and forced pregnancy.

Those girls are, uhh, clearly working through something, and it'd be fine if they could just look at what they're writing and realize "hey I am clearly taking my own issues with being female-bodied In A Society and putting them on two anime teenage boys, huh, maybe I'm not a pooner." That's how science fiction is supposed to work, and if overtly horny science fiction isn't real science fiction then we're going to have to take some awards back from Robert Heinlein.

 

[God of Nothing]

This is why it's so fascinating to me, and I hope someone is keeping track of trends from a literary anthropology sort of standpoint. It's an omnibus fetish, and different authors clearly like different parts of it.

Obviously there's something similar between vampire fledglings fighting bloodlust and Omegas fighting heat, say, and it's going to get market capture of that demographic the same way women who want to write mpreg are likely to go with A/B/O since that's the style of the current time. Some authors are really into the dog cock and "pups," and some authors really do go more into the oppression/worldbuilding aspect, or the sex pollen aspect. Or the ones who take male Alpha (so double male?) characters and write "bitching" so it's fantasy force-fem, including loss of social role and forced pregnancy.

Those girls are, uhh, clearly working through something, and it'd be fine if they could just look at what they're writing and realize "hey I am clearly taking my own issues with being female-bodied In A Society and putting them on two anime teenage boys, huh, maybe I'm not a pooner." That's how science fiction is supposed to work, and if overtly horny science fiction isn't real science fiction then we're going to have to take some awards back from Robert Heinlein.

look
women are really weird about guys these days
they want them to be masculine and feminine
them magically being able to get impregnated by another man satisfied both those things in a really gross way

 

[Paper Machete]

look
women are really weird about guys these days
they want them to be masculine and feminine
them magically being able to get impregnated by another man satisfied both those things in a really gross way

I would actually argue it's often more that they have something going on with women/themselves. They do not wish to include women, or at least not normal women (hence alpha females with penises) into their fantasies so they make do with using the male characters they happen to like instead. It's why the M/M pairings become catch alls for a lot of traditionally M/F dynamics and romance tropes. And yeah, there is some aspect to it being their weird feelings and ideas about guys but it's more so they're rejecting the presence of anything genuinely feminine in their fantasies and stories for some reason so make do with women being/taking masculine roles in their fics and the men doing the same in reverse or the men in their fics doing the same for each other.
The other aspect you could argue is that a lot of the people writing this are legit inexperienced virgins who constantly switch ideas on what the "ideal" guy for them would be like because they have no real world experience for what certain types of guys and being treated what ways they actually like. If they do have relationships it's the autistic version of marriages of convenience that barely resemble what most people would understand as romantic attachment.
It's easy to start telling the ones that write whatever to get their horny on because they'll just post it without any spergery world building and not apologize or explain themselves. A lot of it is completely unhinged but that's the point of it, take it or leave it.

 

[Aunt Carol]

look
women are really weird about guys these days
they want them to be masculine and feminine
them magically being able to get impregnated by another man satisfied both those things in a really gross way

Mpreg has been around for a very long while, as has the uke/seme-ification of canon male characters, and like I said, Sentinel/Guide got a lot more stories than The Sentinel ever had fanworks.

There's always the debate of how much it is wanting to have two men fuckin' because that's more than one man and they like men. Maybe it's two men fuckin' and having babies because if there's no woman in there it's "safe" and the reader can enjoy it at a remove, without the threat of a canon-woman removing her from self-insertion as one of the men or self-consciousness of a female body in the context of eroticism and oh no it's 2024 and instead of a late-blooming autistic woman I'm a pooner now.

Omegaverse is unusual because of how popular it is, and how earnestly writers are discussing how it "works," both the biological and worldbuilding aspects. It's an AU tied to no fandom, despite its origins, but it's still ubiquitous. Even people talking about the "yaoi hole," back in the day, were mostly joking about an area of handwaving in stories. This is a fan-built universe like long-term, horny Goncharov.

 

[AnOminous]

There's always the debate of how much it is wanting to have two men fuckin' because that's more than one man and they like men. Maybe it's two men fuckin' and having babies because if there's no woman in there it's "safe" and the reader can enjoy it at a remove, without the threat of a canon-woman removing her from self-insertion as one of the men or self-consciousness of a female body in the context of eroticism and oh no it's 2024 and instead of a late-blooming autistic woman I'm a pooner now.

Every prevert has their own preverted form of a preversion, that's why it isn't normal. But I think it's roughly analogous to men being into "lesbian" porn, usually it's just that there are two of what you're actually attracted to.

There are obviously exceptions and obviously reasons it's different between the sexes, but most fujoshit types are straight, just degenerate as fuck. It is not necessary to be gay to be degenerate and not necessary to be degenerate to be gay.

 

[Weirder Feet]

it's roughly analogous to men being into "lesbian" porn, usually it's just that there are two of what you're actually attracted to.

Bingo. M/M gets me them moist. No matter how much they insist it's for "representation", it's really just their porn preference (whether they can admit that to themselves or not).

 

[soft breathing]

I think it's roughly analogous to men being into "lesbian" porn, usually it's just that there are two of what you're actually attracted to.

Spoiler: probably TMI/PL

From the perspective of a bisexual who reads everything: I also adore the added drama/tension some same-sex fics bring, if the author is doing their job right, and their fictional world isn't 100% accepting of homosexual relationships (no matter if m/m or f/f here). Or if the character simply doesn't want to accept that they're gay, for whatever reason.

I feel like the 'controversy' in heterosexual (fan)fiction stems from something that just doesn't really vibe with me (age, status, "omg, he's the son of a mafia boss".. basically everything straight 'dark romance' will throw at you, it's so fucking cheesy to me); but something about people in fiction tearing themselves apart because they're gay just works for me.

I guess it's because I've been struggling with this for most of my life as well (I never wanted to be bisexual, never had a 'proud coming out' or some shit like that, I usually just keep it under wraps and wish I wasn't like that). It's probably as cheesy to people as mafia-fiction is to me.

No matter how much they insist it's for "representation", it's really just their porn preference

I've never heard about the 'representation' argument before - could you elaborate?

 

[Weirder Feet]

I've never heard about the 'representation' argument before - could you elaborate?

It's their general refrain of "we need more queers in [insert media of choice]!" Like, they make a big song-and-dance about how their slashfic is really activism, when all they're doing is getting their rocks off.

 

[Petrusha the White]

The enduring popularity of slash has to me always read as, firstly, most yaoi fangirls being straight girls/women who like it for the same reason straight men like lesbian porn, and secondarily, in the types of franchises that get popular with these kinds of autists, the male characters are usually the more interesting ones. It's really only franchises that are explicitly courting a female audience (usually a young female audience, e.g. Barbie and shit like that) where writers don't tend to take a stance of "I don't need to give this character more interesting traits, because she's already a woman, and being a woman is an interesting trait in an of itself." That's not actually true, so female characters will naturally get overlooked by fans because they tend to not have much to latch onto.
That said, even underwritten female characters usually do have at least some interesting traits, but they get overlooked by fans anyway because female characters all suffer from the Wonder Woman paradox: any misstep in writing them, perceived or not, is taken as evidence that the author is a misogynist, and any interesting character trait or arc can be perceived as a misstep in writing by at a portion of the readers/viewers because you can't have interesting characters unless they have negative traits. No one likes a bland character, but god help you if you want to write an interesting character (female). Fans engage in a version of this where they'll just downplay or ignore the negative (interesting!) parts of a female character to avoid being accused of sexism by other fans. Consequently, the whole character is either ignored or rewritten in fanworks as a generic lesbian girlboss Mary Sue who knows all the social justice lingo.
Nobody wants to ship anyone with that, though. Male characters, on the other hand, you can go CRAZY with, because even if he's the worst person in the world, as long as you manage to avoid the people who think depicting something in fiction = advocating for people to do it in real life, other fans will accept that character's actions as a reflection on that character, not their whole sex. (See also: why white characters are still the most popular even in the wokiest of fandoms.)

tl;dr m/m ships are more interesting because male characters are more interesting, because you (as fanfic authors and IP creators) are allowed to write male characters being evil/crazy/stupid/generally having negative and complex traits without being accused of sexism.

 

[Paper Machete]

^ There's also the fact that a lot of fandoms which have large followings simply have a larger male cast than female cast. Your most popular shounen anime, FPS games, etc. That being said there's still a lot of really popular games with lots of female characters (lots of gacha fandoms) and I think the female audience latches on to them for the same reasons the male audience does. The waifu/husbando effect. It's not really that deep for most people but trannies tend to have all sorts of weird ideas and hang ups that come through in their fiction preferences and writing that are obvious for those in the know.

 

[Petrusha the White]

Yeah, but the people who latch onto female characters (waifus) are a minority when it comes to writing fanfiction, and when they do write fic it's not usually shipping. Or at least not shipping with another character. They tend more towards ocxcanon(self insert) or xreader (self insert but actually admits to it).
And I agree, it's not really that deep, or it shouldn't be. But these are people who overthink things and have weird hangups. Like, not all of them, obviously, since we're talking about slash ship enjoyers as a general category here, but enough to make broad statements. And it's only getting worse with all the damn pooners!

 

[Chandelier]

This pooner projected her own rape onto a male character she oh-so-conveniently also made trans, and wrote an entire 'healing' fic featuring campus rape and the long healing of a BPD, narcissitic nut. Link to fic. Archive.

Oh wow, I'm sure it'll be such a healing journey, rather than a journal for a broken woman who thinks living as a man and killing her kidneys is the better option. There is no 'keeping true to character' when you project your rape onto a male because you think it's liberating, bestie.

Spoiler

If he's as introverted as the author claims...what is he doing at all these campus parties? Actual introverts hate them, and prefer to be at home doing what they want without judgement. Predictably, Viktor is once again the 'campus slut', because of course every pooner is, fucking and sucking the cock she so desperately wants for herself. One must wonder how people who get routine panic attacks at going shopping for new clothes or order food could be having wild parties where every single orifice gets filled. The math ain't mathing, ho.

Usually, it's considered bad taste to blame someone for their actions regarding things like sexual assault and rape. But it was not written how bad the argument was, and why Viktor specifically went to a campus party vs going for a walk or even seeing a movie. He wears the 'Campus Slut' moniker proudly one moment, and then acts shocked that other males are going to take advantage of him once he gets drunk. You cannot have it both ways.

This could have been avoided had you been an actual introvert and stayed home. Try using your intelligence for once. You knew these people were not good.

Gang rape leaves marks, like it or not, and if these men were holding Viktor down, yes, there are going to be bruises. There will be swelling, there will be blood. Magically, Viktor doesn't have any of those, and denies that the rape actually happened via disassociation. But I will agree that he is that fucking stupid: an introvert going to parties and fucking every man in existence, to the point he makes Mattress Girl look like a saint.

Yes, especially with T. Makes you sound like a frog.

"I got into an argument and went to a campus frat party where I am known as a slut and got drugged and raped, and somehow could not put two and two together despite allegedly being a genius." Hate to say it, but these rape trauma fics make me roll my eyes, especially how it could have been avoided. Be an actual introvert and stay home.

You'll see how Viktor actually feels about Jayce in a little bit. He calls him his 'lovable boyfriend' in one moment, and then admits he cannot stand him in another. Classic pooner BPD type.

Well, you could feel safe and protected with a gun. A man can't rape if he's dead. It should also be mentioned that Viktor does not seek medical attention at all, or seek a rape kit. You don't know if those campus frat boys have STDs, either. So despite his inflamed genitalia, he just goes home and sleeps it off.

Indeed it is. The actual Viktor would have avoided this scenario entirely, because he isn't a slut and would be very choosy about who he brings to his room. He also wouldn't get ass-blasted drunk at a party where he doesn't know anyone. That's a recipe for disaster.

So, Jayce takes him to the bathroom and starts undoing Viktor's clothing (?) and Viktor starts having a panic attack. It should be mentioned Jayce did not notice anything was off with Viktor's appearance even when such an assault would be visible. Men who think their victim is down and out will get very grabby, but no one notices anything.

Get it? They called the Campus Slut, previously a mark of pride, a CAMPUS SLUT as well as a tranny, because even though Viktor says he's a True and Honest Man no actual man believes him he went into the scenario like an upset girlfriend vs trying to punch his way out of the rape.

"I didn't mean to get that fucked up" - Well yeah, you did. You had an argument, went to a party where you knew nobody, got ass-blasted drunk, and then got abused. You are known to the entire campus as someone who takes cock for free; this was the end result of that. We don't even know what the argument was even about. Normally, it's considered shameful to blame the victim, but given the timeline of events, Viktor really did walk into this, especially since he's a mature and well-rounded character. If he gets upset, he's going to sulk alone. He's not going to drink with strangers.

Leave it to Caitlyn to notice, and everyone else to decide not to do anything. No one suggests taking him to the hospital to get checked. No one goes to a pharmacy to get Plan B pills. No one does anything to actually address and fix the issue. As a matter of fact, NONE of the rapists ever get identified - despite Caitlyn's investigative skills and Vi's demand for justice. They just...let it go.

That's right: Viktor met Jayce the night after he got raped. Crazy turn of events. Despite such trauma and despite such subtle, emotional feelings, Jayce has not learned to pick up on his partner's cues. He avoids them because Viktor is a BPD menace who loses his shit when you try to do anything - just like a real pooner. Despite Jayce actively trying to help, Viktor refuses him because of his twisted pride. Jayce is quite literally walking on eggshells and it's all because Viktor doesn't trust him enough to tell him - even though Jayce hasn't done anything wrong. It's pathetic.

So despite KNOWING your pooner 'boyfriend' has been raped, you can't see the signs? Despite the stories from the Proud Campus Slut, you can't determine that what Viktor went through wasn't consensual? The typical pooner taking all sorts of cock and acting proud enjoys cucking his boyfriend like he's Ramona Flowers? Ho hum.

> Calls himself a proud campus slut
> Shocked to find that it's used as an insult by those who took advantage of said proud campus slut

Despite being enraged about his True and Honest boyfriend being called a tranny, Jayce doesn't actually do anything about it. He doesn't take Viktor to the hospital. He doesn't try to find out who did it. He just lets it go. He lets the genocidal transphobic rapists go. What a star.

I'm sure he wasn't delicate when he got his -ahem- 'front hole' filled with multiple dicks during those campus parties. Seriously, what a fucking way to diminish the seriousness of this story. Actual prostitutes approach their work with more gravity, and they don't even want to be prostitutes to begin with.

I'd rather take my partner to the hospital, because, you know, checking for injury or disease is pretty damn important. If you don't want to involve cops, fine. You have Caitlyn. But not checking to see if anything is damaged is flat out retarded. You do not know what diseases random men carry. And you T-addled vagina ain't gonna help.

Go to the hospital? But no, Viktor waits THREE FUCKING MONTHS to do anything, and then he realizes that he missed his period. Oh no! Maybe that should've been THE FIRST THING ON YOUR FUCKING MIND AFTER YOU WERE RAPED. If you were off the T shots then you should know this would be issue #1. And testosterone itself DOES NOT PREVENT PREGNANCY. HOLY FUCK, GO BACK TO SEX ED.

> Says he loves Jayce, but wants him to 'back off' even though Jayce is 100% supportive
> Generally treats his boyfriend like shit because he's moody and volatile
> Is just a BPD menace who sucked and fucked hundreds of cocks before Jayce
> Wonders why everyone walks on eggshells around him

What a terrible person.

And yes, three months is quite the time frame for you to realize you're pregnant. You probably should have watched your cycle like any woman does once she is raped, disassociated or not. But something so simple as taking Plan B would've prevented this. Since this fic is just the author's journal entry, it is safe to assume common sense went right out the window. It's not disassociation. It's retardation.

Jesus fucking Christ, pooners are something else. Women are always anal about unintended pregnancy and for good reason. Pooners think testosterone will top them from getting pregnant when it is not birth control. The fact Viktor can have casual sex and not think there will be any consequences is just amazing.

Ah yes, the abortion talk. But don't worry, Viktor isn't really pregnant. And the random woman isn't a TERF, thank God. Imagine being misgendered over pregnancy! IMAGINE.

Jayce is still oblivious to this, three months later. He may be a dork but he's not that stupid. He'd notice something was off.

You'd a BPD fuck. There, I said it. You live to ruin other people's lives with your emotional instability. This does not make me pity you, but despise you.

I- GEE, YOUR 'BOYFRIEND' GETTING RAPED THREE MONTHS AGO AND THE HEALTH PROBLEMS SINCE THEN DIDN'T CLUE YOU IN? FUCKING HELL, READ THE ROOM YOU RETARDED CUBAN DINGHY FUCK.

Jesus fucking Christ - you haven't done SHIT for three months. WHY would he think you are cheating, especially IN THE FIRST FUCKING PARAGRAPH YOU ADMITTED YOU WANTED TO STAY WITH JAYCE?! In actuality, Jayce wouldn't known something was wrong, and Caitlyn casually telling everyone VIKTOR WAS ASSAULTED should have clued him in.

I hate everyone in this and I do not care if it's a trauma fic. Fucking burn it.

And no, you went to that party and got drunk out of weakness. Weak. A real gay man would've swung hands, slashed tires, stole a Prada bag and beat you with it before getting the YMCA involved. GET ON THEIR LEVEL

I'd be more inclined to believe it wasn't Viktor's fault if he was an actual introvert and stayed home. I'd also respect Jayce more if he, you know, took Viktor to the damn hospital.

Oh no, is the wee pooner having a breakdown? Poor baby, have a tissue. It almost makes one forget you hated your boyfriend and are a BPD bitch for a moment.

If you are having these conversations you are not a healthy couple. One should never be afraid to broach these topics if there is a healthy amount of trust.

> he can't trust himself not to break down if they're at home
Sounds like something that should be addressed, eh?

> Says he can't do the partying scene anymore
That should have been your first priority when you started dating Jayce. Actions have consequences, yadda yadda. And having sex so soon after such an allegedly traumatic incident? Wew, lad.

Right, that's why you proudly called yourself the Campus Slut before you decided Jayce was your man, no STD tests required. Even prostitutes and ex porn stars have more sense.

Gee, I wonder why it takes so long for a partner to reach orgasm after they've been gang raped. This is not difficult to figure out.

Yeah, I fucking wonder why that anxiety is popping up. It's a normal reaction, and I would understand it if Viktor in this was not such a terrible person. Of course we have to have a masturbation scene to 'reclaim' lost power, and of course there's a mention of using a dildo in that 'male vagina' the pooner suddenly came to love

Sharing clothes is what couples do, right? How's that creepy if Jayce is cool with it?

Lmao. Of course there's the hand mention. Viktor's hands are not that much smaller than Jayce's - I've said this many times - but pooners love mentioning Jayce's big hands because their own hands are tiny. Small tell but you'll notice it.

Of course he goes to the doctor for testosterone, but not for anything else. Can't see if anything is damaged with your vagina or reproductive organs - that's too triggering.

> Cock
What, that 2 inch thing? Weak. How's it throbbing if it's so small?

Yes, he's wearing a binder and he wonders how he gets clocked. True and Honest man, everyone!

> He was tired of letting a bunch of rapists dictate how his body reacted, it was his to fuck, not theirs

Problem with that thinking: you've done nothing to actually bring these rapists to justice, be it vigilante or through the courts. You just let them go because something something trauma. Lord knows Jayce would've gone there himself, in the dead of night, to beat the shit out of some rapists. You prided yourself on being the Campus Slut; those same men you used for your own pleasure used you for theirs. And you waited three months to do anything about your own health, so there's that.

> A body never touched by anyone else
> Proud campus slut
KEK

You will after a few years of testosterone, bud.

Ah yes, nothing like rubbing that roid clit. Fun!

> She has good inuition
But Jayce never put two and two together after Caitlyn told him and Vi Viktor was assaulted. He never thought anything more of that, and did jack shit for three fucking months.

> He's been through all kinds of hell and back and crawled out the other side...kicked major ass to keep himself afloat
Before, or after, being the Proud Campus Slut? He based his entire identity on that, and after the rape, did nothing to make sure his health was fine - but he did make sure he got his T. Priorities. Don't get if you get cervical cancer from HPV, or gonorrhea or have your flesh rotted from syphilis, but hey, GENDER AFFIRMING T!

> Admiral
Did Rachel Levine write this?

You're never going to believe what happens after this - Viktor has a mental breakdown after masturbating. There's totally not contextual purpose for that - internal guilt, I assume? - but hey, we need one. Pooners need to have one because they're all BPD nutcases.

Give him another shot of T. He'll be fine.

You had three months to do it, Jayce. THREE MONTHS. Note he never took his beloved to the hospital, never took him to a doctor or suggested it, and simply did not conclude that Viktor had been raped. And then he wonders why Viktor is having mental breakdowns, LMAO

> Says he isn't stupid
> Every line of text shows otherwise, including the bit where he didn't think his partner was raped despite the graffiti and marks on Viktor's body
Yeah, that's pretty fucking stupid.

Viktor admits their relationship is like being on eggshells because he can't stand Jayce, and Jayce wonders why Viktor is having mental breakdowns because his 'open' partner isn't showing his emotions. This truly is a recipe for disaster. I cannot stand either of them. This is textbook mania, and what a shocker that the pooner has it.

That's not manic depression, you fucktard. Jesus Christ, talk about disproving your point that this character isn't stupid.

Jayce says Viktor is an expert on keeping his life on track. Here is what he hasn't done:
- Seek medical care for the rape
- Make sure no STDs or damage was done to his body
- Oh, and a big one: MAKE SURE THOSE RAPISTS GET PUNISHED. But hey, iced coffee! We've got iced coffee and we're just casually letting rapists stay on campus. Don't you love these people?

Yeah, until you find out your internal organs are damaged from the gang raped you endured, or you have a latent STD like syphilis that further destroys your body. But hey, least you got your T! Because that is what is important, right? Making sure you're a True and Honest Man and not actively going after your rapists and making sure your health is alright. Pooner priorities. Don't you love them? Love it when I can read a pooner's internal thoughts via her special diary. Makes me hate them even more.

That said, even underwritten female characters usually do have at least some interesting traits, but they get overlooked by fans anyway because female characters all suffer from the Wonder Woman paradox: any misstep in writing them, perceived or not, is taken as evidence that the author is a misogynist, and any interesting character trait or arc can be perceived as a misstep in writing by at a portion of the readers/viewers because you can't have interesting characters unless they have negative traits. No one likes a bland character, but god help you if you want to write an interesting character (female). Fans engage in a version of this where they'll just downplay or ignore the negative (interesting!) parts of a female character to avoid being accused of sexism by other fans. Consequently, the whole character is either ignored or rewritten in fanworks as a generic lesbian girlboss Mary Sue who knows all the social justice lingo.

There's also the issue where if you DO create a strong female character with interesting traits, she might get called a Mary Sue. Daenerys Targaryen would absolutely be a Mary Sue were she in original fanfic, because people can't comprehend a teenage girl with nukes (dragons). Male characters are safer, are you wrote.

Nobody wants to ship anyone with that, though. Male characters, on the other hand, you can go CRAZY with, because even if he's the worst person in the world, as long as you manage to avoid the people who think depicting something in fiction = advocating for people to do it in real life, other fans will accept that character's actions as a reflection on that character, not their whole sex. (See also: why white characters are still the most popular even in the wokiest of fandoms.)

You can do anything you want with men, because they're the end all and be all, and they avoid the Mary Sue charge. I remember when those were the biggest sins of fanfiction.

 

[Petrusha the White]

Yeah, I also remember when charges of Sueness were a big deal. It lead to female characters being left out., because it was easier to just not write them than to deal with accusations. Now things are different. There was backlash against charges of Sueness - since yes there was a trend of normal, interesting female characters being called Mary Sues by retards - and the backlash escalated from "learn what a character arc is, you idiot" to "every criticism of a female character (i.e. calling her a Mary Sue) is misogynistic". Calling a Sue a Sue became toothless and suddenly Sueness was actually desirable if done in a certain way: instead of female characters getting ignored, they were warped/rewritten to be a very specific type of Mary Sue. Girlboss lesbian who emasculates male characters because girl power. This has trickled from fandoms to the big screen by way of Disney Star Wars, the latest Indiana Jones sequel, etc., although corpos will either leave out the lesbian bit or go very light on it. (Ever notice how these Strong Female Leads almost never have serious love interests?)

Public reaction to female characters actually doing stuff in stories not explicitly meant for solely female audiences has gone through a whole damn arc of history only to end up in the same place. It's still only the male characters that you can have fun with without being put under a magnifying glass. Thus, if you want to write a romance fanfic that even attempts to step out of the same age-old "boy (active) meets girl (passive)" tropes, you reach for two male characters. They're the most fleshed out, even if you personally don't fully understand writing and only conciously register "I like them the most".

 

[keke]

You do realize that all of the known cases of kids being groomed by being shown porn inevitably involved mostly 100% legal porn of (real, live action) adults?

First of all, you made that the fuck up, that is not remotely true and stating it with unearned snark doesn’t make factual. “all known cases” is a CRAZY and false claim. Children are shown porn including children/animals, and written fantasises of kids/animals/adults from pedos themselves. Written fantasies that are now just posted on ao3, along with the ability to comment and various social media accounts linked.

When children see depictions of children being sexualised, they sexualise themselves, that is what grooming is and how children become easier targets. There have been so many examples of pedophiles doing featured on this very site, so there’s really no excuse for batting so hard for pro written child porn. You have either have no idea what you’re talking about or have a vested interest, because so many of your talking points is copied verbatim from the lolicons that swarm every twitter thread criticising them because they think if they win the optics war via ratio the average person won’t be disgusted by them.

If you want to defend the legality from a free speech standpoint, that is one thing. Pretending this is a neutral thing causes zero harm is not only retarded, it’s deliberate dishonesty.

What I came here to post is that ao3 is hosting rape fanfic (RPF fiction) about a real life female child actor (below age 12) and her real life father. That’s where free speech absolutism is at. Wonder if someone will eventually sue AO3.

 

[AnOminous]

tl;dr m/m ships are more interesting because male characters are more interesting, because you (as fanfic authors and IP creators) are allowed to write male characters being evil/crazy/stupid/generally having negative and complex traits without being accused of sexism.

Fun fact: even in the early 60s/70s, one of the first things they had to do was instantly reject any fan scripts that involved Kirk/Spock and other similar gay porn fanfics.

That's where the term "slash" was invented, because it was always character SLASH character. Kirk/Spock was one of the more notorious.

 

[Petrusha the White]

That's where the term "slash" was invented, because it was always character SLASH character. Kirk/Spock was one of the more notorious.

Kirk/Spock being so notorious that "slash" came to mean m/m pairings specifically, despite the character a/character b format referring to any relationship,gay lesbian or straight!

But I don't think the 60s/70s were seeing a sudden revolution in gay acceptance among to the stay at home housewife crowd. The simple fact of the matter is: Kirk and Spock are more interesting characters than any of the female characters on the show. (I love TOS and I love its female characters, but it's true.) Their relationship (even the canon, platonic one) is therefore much more interesting than the ones either one of them had with any of the female characters. It's not surprising that this eventually became the juggernaut ship.
(Though if you ask my fiancee, it should've been Spock and Bones.)

 

[Paper Machete]

But I don't think the 60s/70s were seeing a sudden revolution in gay acceptance among to the stay at home housewife crowd.

Also remembering that people who the most active in nerdy/geeky interests and enough so that they make fancontent skews for a particular sort of person, as well. You could make a chicken and egg argument here. Even when it comes to shows that are already made for an audience that may like more nerdy stuff, the bulk of them are not going to be the type to bother writing fan letters or devoting so much of their time making fancontent and creating spaces on or offline around the material in question to count as a hobby or identity. The type of person who is going to write fanfiction is often already an atypical person with atypical interests (and I do not necessarily mean this in a purely negative way). The fact a lot of girls writing fanfiction are social outcasts (or were in their youth) or just otherwise not with any in-crowd definitely flavors their biases and tastes and I think many of them began to romanticize a "safe" romance in that many of the characters are friends who know each other very well with an "us against the world" narrative (the taboo of The Big Gay) and to top everything off they don't have to be reminded of their own insecurities about being a geeky, undervalued woman because there isn't a fictional one to compare herself to (or worse who reminds her of the more popular girls who she felt snubbed by).

 

[RA-5C Vigilante]

Any Halo fans in the audience?

I sure love when someone cuts the cock off a perfectly fine male character and turns it into an axe-wound self-insert. And stay away from my girl Cal please. But at least it's not the most popular non-crossover Halo fic on Ao3:

What starts out as Chief getting a harem thanks to evil Cortana turns into... insanity, to put it lightly.

 

[Thiletonomics]

The amount of shit puns in this fic is very OVERKILL in terms of content:

It does have this absolute banger of a line:

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