False Charity - The pope must die!

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I never cease to be amazed at how many people confuse charity with simply feeling good with themselves.

Francis is ill, and the rumour mill is, predictably, spinning. We hope he dies soon. Why do we do that? Because he has an extremely important function and public role, which he has abused in the most grievous way. He is a real and present danger to the faith of Catholic and to the reputation of the Church. Bar a miracle, he will remain so until the day he dies. It is perfectly legitimate – and I would add, the only decent thing to do – to hope that he dies today. Alas, it’s not happening, but here’s hoping.

What, I think, Christian charity commands that we owe Francis is: a) the wish for his painless death and b) the wish for his salvation. I have prayed for both on a number of occasions. Let’s hope I need to intensify my prayers soon.

However, on the second point one must soberly recognise that the man’s salvation is improbable. It is very rare that God allows someone who has been his enemy for many decades to repent and die at peace with Him. It must, realistically, be even rarer when the scoundrel in question has damaged the Church he had the duty to guide and protect.

This is why, in Catholic tradition, a lifetime of prayer has been traditionally seen as a sign of predestination, and a lifetime of enmity with the Church as a sign of reprobation. We can’t just say “we don’t know, God decides, we just need to shut up”. If this were the case, then a life spent in prayerful service to God would not be a better indicator of salvation than a life spent as a gang killer in Mexico.

I have just reposted an old post that dealt with another side of the same issue: if, to you, Francis’ continued destruction is more important to you than the welfare of the Church, do you really love the Church? What is more important, your emotional, feel-good false charity, or Holy Mother Church?

No. I hope he dies soon. I hope he dies today. I wish he were already dead as I am writing his. And yes, this guy looks like reprobation like no other person I know or knew of.

But I have prayed for his salvation anyway, because his soul has immeasurable value.
 
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This is a perfect example of what Jesus meant when He said "judge not". To think you can conclude on the state of someone else's salvation is gravely wrong, you simply don't have the information and are not God. Never once in the history of the Church has it ever officially decreed that someone has been damned.

I certainly hope the author is this vigorous about examining their own conscience, reminds me of a parable about a speck and a beam.

No matter what he's done in his life, if he has honestly confessed his sins and received absolution he will be saved. Full stop. Francis is a very strong proponent of the Sacrament and celebrates it regularly so I have very little reason to believe he's not going to Heaven, and there's nothing he's done that would indicate he doesn't share the faith of the Church. Like any sinner he'll probably have some time in Purgatory but avoiding it entirely is an extreme degree of Christian perfection very few people attain.

I'd be a lot more concerned about some of these bishops, especially the ones in Germany. They need correction more than anybody.
 
He will die, one day, as we all will and he will face the heavenly accounting process, as we all will. There is no need to wish for someone’s death like the author does. It is uncharitable. I personally do not believe Francis has been a net positive to the Catholic Church, but that’s my opinion as a non catholic, so perhaps my opinion there is worthless. It’s not me who does the judging and I have faults of my own.
Interestingly the word love, as it’s thrown around today is actually rendered as ‘charity’ more often in earlier translations. 1 Corinthians 13 for example mentions love several times (favourite at weddings) But it is a translation of the Greek word ἀγάπη. That was interpreted in some places to mean love and in others charity. It certainly doesn’t exclusively mean ‘love’ as in the ‘love is love, let us groom your kids’ ethos. Or sexual love. It means charity, in the Christian sense.
The twisting of this word has been crucial in the destruction of what the meaning actually is. You could probably write an essay in this, and maybe someone has.
 
Otterly said:
Interestingly the word love, as it’s thrown around today is actually rendered as ‘charity’ more often in earlier translations. 1 Corinthians 13 for example mentions love several times (favourite at weddings) But it is a translation of the Greek word ἀγάπη. That was interpreted in some places to mean love and in others charity. It certainly doesn’t exclusively mean ‘love’ as in the ‘love is love, let us groom your kids’ ethos. Or sexual love. It means charity, in the Christian sense.
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Similar to "love your enemies" - that doesn't mean you have feelings of love or goodwill towards them, it means you seek what is truly good for them. That could be any number of things such as praying for their repentance, seeking reconciliation, the downfall of an evil power, turning someone in for a crime, etc.
 
Anyone who thinks that Pope Francis is anywhere even in the same city as the ballpark of some of the worst popes the church has endured and survived needs to read some history.

My goodness the Cadaver Synod isn't even the worst of it.
 
reptile baht spaniard rid said:
Anyone who thinks that Pope Francis is anywhere even in the same city as the ballpark of some of the worst popes the church has endured and survived needs to read some history.

My goodness the Cadaver Synod isn't even the worst of it.
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To be fair, ‘past pope behaviour’ is a low bar for amorality… but then what’s worse? Open corruption or insidious infiltration and destruction. I think in some ways the former is easier to deal with. Easier to have a trial of the living and corrupt than something that’s been rotting for a while, to carry on the metaphor
 
People have said it better already.

For me this;
Francis is ill, and the rumour mill is, predictably, spinning. We hope he dies soon.
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is the point the article loses me. I get it. He's not doing everything you want. You desire a different Pope and you know you're probably not getting that till he's doing his performance review with Saint Peter.

Ultimately though when you're hoping for his death you might as well be praying for it if you are actually faithful. Not using that word is cowardly.
 
reptile baht spaniard rid said:
Anyone who thinks that Pope Francis is anywhere even in the same city as the ballpark of some of the worst popes the church has endured and survived needs to read some history.

My goodness the Cadaver Synod isn't even the worst of it.
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Francis has openly gone hard in the paint on major issues such as abortion and transgenderism and his emphasis on Confession as the most profound act of God's mercy on Earth is inspiring.

I don't always agree with Francis or his decisions but the more and more I reflect on his Papacy and read his encyclicals and actions as Pope, the more I'm convinced he's not only a faithful Christian but one who knows how to interpret Catholic theology in a way that strikes a balance with the world to bring more people into the faith.

I just don't get any sense of evil in his heart looking at him after more reflection and I honestly feel bad for attacking him in any way whatsoever here. He's a good man.
 
I wanted to post the absolutely orthodox Catholic perspective I wrote before as an act of fraternal correction for this deeply misguided man but evidently it's not allowed. There is nothing I hate more than this goofy trad-cath shit. It harms the Faith and encourages apostasy.

Pope Francis' emphasis on God's love and mercy for people who struggle with same-sex attraction and the repentance He offers have been a lighthouse for me. I don't think I've mentioned it recently but I'm homosexual and now celibate. At one time I wanted to be a priest but upon more reflection I realized I just can't fulfill this vocation because the sacrifice of having a wife and children simply doesn't apply to me. For whatever reasons God in His wisdom made me what I am.

I'll live the "generous single life" Vatican II wisely proscribed for us. I'll never be lonely even after my parents pass away and without a family to call my own because the people I help and those impacted by the charitable works I do are my family.
 
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I've been following this guy for years, he's a fucking loony. His pet name for Francis is "the evil clown" and he thinks he's gay and an atheist. He's also flirted with fascism a bit, he's Italian and thinks that Mussolini's fascism was a brilliant solution to troubled times. Oh, and he also sucks Putin's cock.
 
Is this nigga really dying already? The first half of my life was spent with a gimpy stroked-out Pope, then we got the first guy to retire, now this dude.

Any chance of the next one being UNDER the current life expectancy age?
 
Francis recovered, Mundabor was cockblocked:



Well, clearly it was not meant to be this time.

Sad, really. I think it would have been the end of an extremely sad chapter for the Church and the Catholic faith.

The lewd, arrogant, astonishingly ignorant boor will keep being around. I suspect his blathering might get worse as he sees the end approaching. But it wasn’t to be.

But take courage: time is on our side and this, too, will end.

And whatever comes after, at least it will not be him. At least there will a consolation in knowing that he, too, had, in the end, to give his account.

I am saddened at the news. I am saddened because I love Christ and His Church. But it is not for me to decide.

Everything at the appointed time.
 
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