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Serbian Peacekeepers said:
I think at the very least it had people working on it who got the Fallout look* right,
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Maybe if you really like Fallout 4's big ugly retro future aesthetic. So it roughly matches two out of, what, six games?

Hot take but having read the design docs Van Buren feels romanticized in the eyes of the audience. It doesn't sound very good really, full of half-baked concepts and really silly shit that doesn't really feel very Fallout to me. I would much rather people make something new. I don't think it's any coincidence that every major project that uses Van Buren as a cheat sheet winds up kind of shit.
 
Deus Exica said:
Maybe if you really like Fallout 4's big ugly retro future aesthetic. So it roughly matches two out of, what, six games?

Hot take but having read the design docs Van Buren feels romanticized in the eyes of the audience. It doesn't sound very good really, full of half-baked concepts and really silly shit that doesn't really feel very Fallout to me. I would much rather people make something new. I don't think it's any coincidence that every major project that uses Van Buren as a cheat sheet winds up kind of shit.
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This is easily the darkest Fallout story in tone and setting yet. I can count the amount of "silly shit" on one hand(namely some of the planned creatures, like radioactive weed monsters in Mesa Verde or Gehennas in Burham Springs). Moreover, most of the stuff there is already confirmed canon or semi-canon already, which makes it easy to fit into modern Fallout. The story and wordbuilding, as well as characters, even in their primitive form are head and shoulder above recent content(4/76/TV Show) anyways so it's a moot point, I would love to see the same people complaining about Van Buren come up with their own theoretical perfect Fallout game and see how they fail to understand the setting or fail to come up with anything better(same as with the people claiming Fallout is woke who then fail to define "woke" and end up sounding like schizophrenics who similarly also don't understand the IP in the slightest).
 
Deus Exica said:
Are you still crying about this? New Vegas is woke, bud, sorry to tell you AGAIN.
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I dunno, pal. You're a Synthetic Man fan, so this coming from you(especially since he got his own thread) doesn't mean much. All the same energy of "Futa isn't gay!" and that's without going into that people who say shit like this blatantly do not understand the IP, the setting, game design, never take context into account ect. Our friend Joey(another synthcel, since banned) was a perfect example of all that.

I digress, I said that I wanted to see people who said Van Buren is no good to come up with a better design draft, but since you're not offering anything I guess you can't come up with anything better either. More empty words.
 
Deus Exica said:
Are you still crying about this? New Vegas is woke, bud, sorry to tell you AGAIN.
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What are you on about? All the ghoul racism is in 3 (which ironically continued the themes from 1 and 2), not NV. I guess you could count the gen1 mutants for that, but that's just continuing 2's themes on the topic.
Unless you mean the super-modern version of the term, but the fags and dykes aren't performative inclusions.
30+GameOvers said:
I would love to see the same people complaining about Van Buren come up with their own theoretical perfect Fallout game and see how they fail to understand the setting or fail to come up with anything better(same as with the people claiming Fallout is woke who then fail to define "woke" and end up sounding like schizophrenics who similarly also don't understand the IP in the slightest).
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I could do this, but ultimately it would eventually draw upon the VB docs for either inspiration, names, or the core components of some event, making the point moot.
It would also still sound positively schizophrenic in the process because i can't make a readable design doc or lore compendium worth a damn, but that's less relevant.
 
30+GameOvers said:
You're a Synthetic Man fan, so this coming from you(especially since he got his own thread) doesn't mean much.
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Sure, please explain to the class what your definition of woke is. I know you feel all giddy and validated about your retarded opinion now but that doesn't make the factual statement that New Vegas is woke incorrect.
Boxless said:
What are you on about? All the ghoul racism is in 3 (which ironically continued the themes from 1 and 2), not NV. I guess you could count the gen1 mutants for that, but that's just continuing 2's themes on the topic.
Unless you mean the super-modern version of the term, but the fags and dykes aren't performative inclusions.
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Fallout 3 is irrelevant to this discussion. The inclusion of fags at all is performative.
 
Deus Exica said:
The inclusion of fags at all is performative.
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There is only one fag that doesn't have a reason to be such.
Every fag or dyke has a reason in NV- trauma and abuse, money, rebellion, or just plain being batshit- save for one.
No, it's not Arcade. He has reasons, even if they're not nearly as rock-solid as most others.
Deus Exica said:
Fallout 3 is irrelevant to this discussion.
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It's as relevant as the other two Fallouts as a baseline, otherwise you wouldn't be going on about how it was Woke, but instead how the whole series was always Woke.
Especially since as of the time of creation for both games, the term had a radically different meaning to what you ascribe to it now (to the point of not even being related in definition).
 
foreman 89 said:
Synthetic man tier dogma.
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I believe he is one of his biggest ballwashers, so no surprise he is also one of the more retarded ones(barring the actual paypigs like Ricardo or a literal catfucker like Claudio, but once again I digress)
Argument: There is a woman who is an unarmed fighter in New Vegas = automatic woke
Let's ignore that Unarmed has been a combat skill since the first game, that just means even the very first Fallout game all the way back in 1997 is woke
Let's ignore that the series has seen Unarmed specialists of every race, gender, shape and size(that includes the player), that means every Fallout game is woke
Let's ignore the fact that Unarmed is a staple in many RPGs that even predate the first Fallout game, that just means all of them are woke too
I wonder if these retards have ever seen a single fighting game before, it would blow their minds.
Boxless said:
It's as relevant as the other two Fallouts as a baseline, otherwise you wouldn't be going on about how it was Woke, but instead how the whole series was always Woke.
Especially since as of the time of creation for both games, the term had a radically different meaning to what you ascribe to it now (to the point of not even being related in definition).
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I am still surprised how Bethesda was able to get away with some of the things they did in Fallout 3, like literal child slavery mission or the whole Tenpenny Tower mission where race realism goes hard. Makes the writing in Fallout 4 all the more jarring.
 
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30+GameOvers said:
I am still surprised how Bethesda was able to get away with some of the things they did in Fallout 3, like literal child slavery mission or the whole Tenpenny Tower mission where race realism goes hard.
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Jornos and critics can't think beyond 2 hours of gameplay/story.
 
30+GameOvers said:
I am still surprised how Bethesda was able to get away with some of the things they did in Fallout 3, like literal child slavery mission or the whole Tenpenny Tower mission where race realism goes hard.
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Less oversight from Emil and company because it was a cashgrab on an IP they finally got full rights to (as opposed to having to choose their uses of the three-game license carefully).
 
foreman 89 said:
What games do you actually like and what is your definition of woke as well?
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I like a lot of games. You can still like a game if it's woke or shit. BG3 was my game of the year last year and that's got faggot vampire bear sex in it.

Woke is the inclusion of leftist/liberal ideology, full stop. People like to obfuscate this with vagueries about quality or how 'forced' it is because they don't like to think the games they enjoy are woke and want to defend them.

Yes, by this metric most games are woke. Big surprise that developers are all liberal faggots, especially New Vegas, which was developed by huge liberal fagtard Josh Sawyer and Chris 'The Legion shouldn't have been playable because they're sexist' Avellone.
Boxless said:
Every fag or dyke has a reason in NV- trauma and abuse, money, rebellion, or just plain being batshit- save for one.
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You can literally write a reason for any inclusive bullshit. Veronica or Arcade being gay may not be obnoxiously in your face, but they're the ur examples of faggot party members who directly call attention to their lust for clam/peen just to make sure you know they are gay and for diverse brownie points.
30+GameOvers said:
Argument: There is a woman who is an unarmed fighter in New Vegas = automatic woke
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You disingenuous little faggot, we had this conversation like twenty pages ago and you're still fucking seething.

The NCR ranger lady is in the legion fight pits is said to be the most deadly combatant, who has fought and killed several of the deadliest legionnaires at the camp with her bare hands as they attack her with machetes and other melee weapons. The point is that she is a woman, better than the men, fighting and killing the sexist legion Chuds with her bare hands. She's a super powerful barehanded brawler female badass killing jacked legionary tribals who are literally bred from birth to kill with their hands and primitive weaponry.

Oh yes, very immersive, very well written, definitely not girlboss woke bullshit.
30+GameOvers said:
Let's ignore the fact that Unarmed is a staple in many RPGs that even predate the first Fallout game, that just means all of them are woke too
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Yes, not a whiff of leftist ideology here.
 
Kind disappointed we never got Fallout novels, comic books and animated movies?

There is so much you can tell with this universe that going with live action feels like its limiting what they can do.

Then again, do I really want more from the ones that current hold this IP when their S2 teaser is literally more "Capitalism bad" ?

Snekposter said:
Pretty much, yeah. Don't forget that even if they've stripped the servos out the suit still has that internal skeleton to take some of the weight off the wearer. Keep in mind they've got enough technical know-how to give Royez at the Long 15 a custom suit of T-45 armor, repair and maintain Hoover Dam, and upload a patch to a Vertibird's flight software using on-hand personnel at said dam instead of needing to deploy a specialist.
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Its already hard to buy with F3's retcons but it gets worse if you try to add F4's into the mix.

Feels like it was done to keep the NCR from having Power Armor when they realistically should have at least some heavy units with them.
Prophetic Spirit said:
I replaying F:NV right now. Only once and only if you ask her "even in love?" and keeping the topic.
Arcade just mention something about his gayness if you have Confirmed Balechor perk (which makes you gay too).
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Ironically, its kind of a great perk, especially early on when nearly every enemy is male so FNV literally is a game where it pays off to be Bi or gay lol
 
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