Science Falcon Heavy Launch Discussion - A big fucking rocket, but not the Big Fucking Rocket

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In about 24 hours, SpaceX will launch what will be the most powerful American rocket since the retirement of Saturn V. 27 engines, 5 million pounds of thrust, and a Tesla roadster blasting David Bowie's Space Oddity as payload.

Here's a Verge article, but I'll tl;dr it and cover anything they didn't.

FAQ

why is there a car on the rocket
elon musk is autistic

isn't this just three falcon 9s glued together

yes

is this the most engines ever on a rocket
no, but the only rocket with more exploded

space is dumb
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Falcon Heavy will have the same payload as an Atlas V in a fully reusable configuration (all cores return), 20% more payload than a Delta V Heavy in a fully expendable configuration (nothing returns), and an unknown middle-ground payload in a semi-expended configuration (one core spent, two return). It uses the same fly-back mission architecture as Falcon 9, and will be made from "block v" Falcons designed for 10 flights between refits and 100 flights on each airframe. And rockets flying backwards looks fucking cool.

Most of the interest in Falcon Heavy right now comes from using it instead of Delta or SLS for deep space probes to distant moons like Europa, and it will return the ability for America to fly men to the moon (one such flyby is planned for late 2018 / 2019 by two Russian tourists). It will also be able to launch heavy payloads to high orbits, and is being entered in the EELV competition for US National Recon Office spy satellite launches.

Falcon Heavy is the steppingstone in SpaceX's business plan to the Big Fucking Rocket, which is their next project. The BFR will enable manned missions to Mars with dozens of passengers, including colonial missions.
 
In about 24 hours, SpaceX will launch what will be the most powerful American rocket since the retirement of Saturn V. 27 engines, 5 million pounds of thrust, and a Tesla roadster blasting David Bowie's Space Oddity as payload.

Here's a Verge article, but I'll tl;dr it and cover anything they didn't.

FAQ

why is there a car on the rocket
elon musk is autistic

isn't this just three falcon 9s glued together

yes

is this the most engines ever on a rocket
no, but the only rocket with more exploded

space is dumb
your feedback has been recorded

Falcon Heavy will have the same payload as an Atlas V in a fully reusable configuration (all cores return), 20% more payload than a Delta V Heavy in a fully expendable configuration (nothing returns), and an unknown middle-ground payload in a semi-expended configuration (one core spent, two return). It uses the same fly-back mission architecture as Falcon 9, and will be made from "block v" Falcons designed for 10 flights between refits and 100 flights on each airframe. And rockets flying backwards looks fucking cool.

Most of the interest in Falcon Heavy right now comes from using it instead of Delta or SLS for deep space probes to distant moons like Europa, and it will return the ability for America to fly men to the moon (one such flyby is planned for late 2018 / 2019 by two Russian tourists). It will also be able to launch heavy payloads to high orbits, and is being entered in the EELV competition for US National Recon Office spy satellite launches.

Falcon Heavy is the steppingstone in SpaceX's business plan to the Big Fucking Rocket, which is their next project. The BFR will enable manned missions to Mars with dozens of passengers, including colonial missions.
places your bets people:
is it gonna crash or...not crash?
 
It's probably not going to explode on launch since they did a really thorough static fire. The engines work. The "dangerous" part where it might fail is max-Q, which is the highest aerodynamic stress; and booster staging, which hasn't been tested before by SpaceX. Most rockets use explosive bolts to blow the side boosters off, but SpaceX uses hydraulic rams for reusability.
 
Well, I’m always 100% on board with space exploration so I really hope this succeeds. I know it may sound farfetched now, but I’d love to see a Martian colony during my lifetime.
 
I have a feeling that no matter what happens, Elon Musk will end up with a far more successful rocket program than Kim Jong Un could ever dream of.

Even if that bastard tips over and explodes on the launch pad.
 
Saturn 5 still shits all over it and we made that when half the damned NASA's computing power was shamed by a current iphone6.

Also due to a lot of reason, space travel economically is really not useful both being still prohibtive costs but also laws/rules about space.

Really when you think about it, if Verizon saves 20m to send a new satellite do you think you'll see a cut in your phone bill? Space X isn't gonna help you or me. As normal I hope this lands on Elon's house.
 
Go Elon Musk! Collect those government subsidies! Make life slightly better for all of us! Get more money to waste on HyperLoop (which can't work.)
It won't explode though. They know what they're doing. Also, I want to troll the Russians again by making the US the first country to really be very heavily into space, something that nobody's really done before.
They can have Sputnik, that's their one win. We'll take everything else.
 
Go Elon Musk! Collect those government subsidies! Make life slightly better for all of us! Get more money to waste on HyperLoop (which can't work.)
It won't explode though. They know what they're doing. Also, I want to troll the Russians again by making the US the first country to really be very heavily into space, something that nobody's really done before.
They can have Sputnik, that's their one win. We'll take everything else.
You do know Russia right now is the only way we can get to the ISS? They've got more than one win but yes, we mostly shit all over them in the space race.
 
Saturn 5 still shits all over it and we made that when half the damned NASA's computing power was shamed by a current iphone6.

Also due to a lot of reason, space travel economically is really not useful both being still prohibtive costs but also laws/rules about space.

Really when you think about it, if Verizon saves 20m to send a new satellite do you think you'll see a cut in your phone bill? Space X isn't gonna help you or me. As normal I hope this lands on Elon's house.
Seeing how space exploration has generated a shitton of new cutting edge technologies that spread out into consumer applications I don't know how I could ever disagree more with you on this comment.

And that is even when I ignore all the possibilities that space has to offer in the near and far future.
 
You do know Russia right now is the only way we can get to the ISS? They've got more than one win but yes, we mostly shit all over them in the space race.
Nah, we worked together on that. We knew it was going to happen, and we could have continued to fly the space shuttle if we needed to, but it was in everyone's best interests to have Russia do this temporarily. We pay them a lot of money for the privilege, but we save money compared to what it would cost to run the shuttle. The whole idea behind the ISS is international cooperation you know.
 
Seeing how space exploration has generated a shitton of new cutting edge technologies that spread out into consumer applications I don't know how I could ever disagree more with you on this comment.

And that is even when I ignore all the possibilities that space has to offer in the near and far future.
So when it's applied to a scam artist who isn't making things as good as the 60s made, what cutting edge or what expanding do you see?

This is like giving me personally 400 billion dollars to make a model T ford.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm saying, it's from a snake oils salesman who's not coming up with anything new or better than what we had. The only benefit is reduced costs for either governments or mega corps who don't pass the savings on. So how is this good? It's a rare case of literally just the rich getting richer.

When you get your cell phone bill reduced, maybe I'll listen. The reality is even if I had Bill Gates money, what good does this do me? I can't just throw up satellites due to UN laws and all. So it's not a boost to people wanting to grow or expand the market all due to regulation.

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Nah, we worked together on that. We knew it was going to happen, and we could have continued to fly the space shuttle if we needed to, but it was in everyone's best interests to have Russia do this temporarily. We pay them a lot of money for the privilege, but we save money compared to what it would cost to run the shuttle. The whole idea behind the ISS is international cooperation you know.
You are correct, and Russia saw the failure of the shuttle program and scrapped theres halfway thru.
 
I can see a future where NASA just contracts with private companies to provide the launch vehicles on a mission-by-mission bidding system, like how they bid out contracts to defense contractors and such for hardware. As long as there's some honest competition I don't see it as a bad thing.

Everyone berates NASA for retiring the shuttle with no immediate successor, but, as impressive as they were, they weren't horribly cost-efficient compared to capsules and expendible boosters.
 
elon musk is autistic
Heh, yeah, Elon Musk is my favorite part about all this. He's done some neat stuff, but he's also pretty autistic.

Also I think he's got a thin skin about people mocking the west coast tech world's goofy culture. If anyone hasn't watched Silicon Valley, I highly recommend it. It's a hilarious (and very accurate) satire of Silicon Valley culture. Here's what Elon had to say about it:
None of those characters were software engineers. Software engineers are more helpful, thoughtful, and smarter. They're weird, but not in the same way. I was just having a meeting with my information security team, and they're great but they're pretty weird—one used to be a dude, one's super small, one's hyper-smart—that's actually what it is. [...] I really feel like Mike Judge has never been to Burning Man, which is Silicon Valley [...] If you haven't been, you just don't get it. You could take the craziest L.A. party and multiply it by a thousand, and it doesn't even get close to what's in Silicon Valley. The show didn't have any of that.
Heh, Elon is buttmad about people making fun of tech weenies.
Seeing how space exploration has generated a shitton of new cutting edge technologies that spread out into consumer applications I don't know how I could ever disagree more with you on this comment.

And that is even when I ignore all the possibilities that space has to offer in the near and far future.
This is one of the dumber arguments that people keep on pushing for space.

Yes, while it's true that the space race did generate a lot of technical advancements, it certainly didn't do it cost effectively. Look, we don't need to set a big pile of government cash on fire to generate innovation. We already do generate innovation through the private sector. It's cost effective and it develops products people actually want to use. Because otherwise the company funding the research goes out of business.

I don't have any concrete numbers on how efficient NASA development is compared to private investment, but I wouldn't be surprised if the ratio is as bad as 10:1. (That is, $10 of NASA investment produce a given product, that could've been done with $1 privately.)
The reality is even if I had Bill Gates money, what good does this do me? I can't just throw up satellites due to UN laws and all.
Sure you can. Amateur satellite experimentation is a thing. Hell, one of the first artificial satellites was amateur, not sanctioned or supported by any governments.
 
Heh, yeah, Elon Musk is my favorite part about all this. He's done some neat stuff, but he's also pretty autistic.

Also I think he's got a thin skin about people mocking the west coast tech world's goofy culture. If anyone hasn't watched Silicon Valley, I highly recommend it. It's a hilarious (and very accurate) satire of Silicon Valley culture. Here's what Elon had to say about it:

Heh, Elon is buttmad about people making fun of tech weenies.

This is one of the dumber arguments that people keep on pushing for space.

Yes, while it's true that the space race did generate a lot of technical advancements, it certainly didn't do it cost effectively. Look, we don't need to set a big pile of government cash on fire to generate innovation. We already do generate innovation through the private sector. It's cost effective and it develops products people actually want to use. Because otherwise the company funding the research goes out of business.

I don't have any concrete numbers on how efficient NASA development is compared to private investment, but I wouldn't be surprised if the ratio is as bad as 10:1. (That is, $10 of NASA investment produce a given product, that could've been done with $1 privately.)

Sure you can. Amateur satellite experimentation is a thing. Hell, one of the first artificial satellites was amateur, not sanctioned or supported by any governments.

Yeah it's very well known that Elon Musk is weird and probably a legit sperg. Watch his press conferences, the guy can't speak in front of an audience to save his life. Behind the scenes though he supposedly runs Space-X/Tesla/The Boring Company like Steve Jobs ran Apple, (minus the new-age hippie nature shit that Steve Jobs had going on).

https://www.quora.com/What-is-it-like-to-work-with-Elon-Musk/answers/5559684

The funny irony is Steve Jobs and Elon Musk hated each other when Steve was alive.
 
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