Facebook megathread

https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/30/18203551/apple-facebook-blocked-internal-ios-apps

Apple has shut down Facebook’s ability to distribute internal iOS apps, from early releases of the Facebook app to basic tools like a lunch menu. A person familiar with the situation tells The Verge that early versions of Facebook, Instagram, Messenger, and other pre-release “dogfood” (beta) apps have stopped working, as have other employee apps, like one for transportation. Facebook is treating this as a critical problem internally, we’re told, as the affected apps simply don’t launch on employees’ phones anymore.

The shutdown comes in response to news that Facebook has been using Apple’s program for internal app distribution to track teenage customers with a “research” app.

That app, revealed yesterday by TechCrunch, was distributed outside of the App Store using Apple’s enterprise program, which allows developers to use special certificates to install more powerful apps onto iPhones. Those apps are only supposed to be used by a company’s employees, however, and Facebook had been distributing its tracking app to customers. Facebook later said it would shut down the app.

This poses a huge issue for Facebook. While Apple provides other tools a company can use to install apps internally, Apple’s enterprise program is the main solution for widely distributing internal apps and services. In an email, a Facebook spokesperson said “I can confirm that this affects our internal apps.”

In a statement given to Recode, Apple said that Facebook was in “clear breach of their agreement with Apple.” Any developer that breaches that agreement, Apple said, has their distribution certificates revoked, “which is what we did in this case to protect our users and their data.” Apple declined to comment on shutting down all of Facebook’s internal apps in an email to The Verge.

Revoking a certificate not only stops apps from being distributed on iOS, but it also stops apps from working. And because internal apps by the same organization or developer may be connected to a single certificate, it can lead to immense headaches like the one Facebook now finds itself in where a multitude of internal apps have been shut down.

Apple and Facebook have already been bickering over privacy, but this is the first instance of Apple taking an action that directly shuts down some of Facebook’s activities. Last March, Apple CEO Tim Cook criticized Facebook’s handling of the Cambridge Analytica data sharing scandal, saying, “I wouldn’t be in this situation” if he were running the company. Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg later said the comments were “extremely glib” and spoke of Apple as a company that “work hard to charge you more.”

 

[GS 281]

Original criteria:

So the new criteria - not difficult to comprehend - is that the requirement for Facebook to take action include use of the platform in the crime and a large death count. Just to make sure I'm understanding.

Clearly, the comparison of Tarrant to any other future event is going over your head.

Replace the cracker with a nigger and the kebabs with biblethumpers and you will have similar outcomes.

 

[HeyYou]

Clearly, the comparison of Tarrant to any other future event is going over your head.

Replace the cracker with a nigger and the kebabs with biblethumpers and you will have similar outcomes.

No social media platform will ever ban a group like the NoI, we all know it. They're sitting on twitter writing anti-Semitic shit as we speak.

 

[GS 281]

No social media platform will ever ban a group like the NoI, we all know it. They're sitting on twitter writing anti-Semitic shit as we speak.

So are tranny jews.

So clearly everyone is free to play kick the jew.

 

[Ineedahero]

Slander, libel, false testimony, fraud, encouraging threats of actual physical violence/property damage, creating an artificial panic, etc are all examples of the excess that absolute free speech can have

This was going to be a dumb thing about laws but then I got what you were saying. I guess I should call myself a first amendment absolutist instead of a free speech absolutist.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

I tried to explain this to him but he will either draw to some autistic false equivalence or write you off as someone who supports censorship. Kind of reminds me of the idiots who think Christian extremism has the same output of Muslim extremism. That’s why I just mock him

You kooky bastard you. Anyway I'm pretty happy with how this discussion went, honestly, even though it got a bit shitshowy.

You tried to explain your opinion to me. I think you did so successfully. I understand your opinion, and disagree with it. It's ok, it's a thing that happens.

 

[ICametoLurk]

Getting mad that a privately owned company is getting rid of something that it deems would cause them to look bad and thus hurting their profits sounds like COMMUNISM to me.

Someone get a Pinochet.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Getting mad that a privately owned company is getting rid of something that it deems would cause them to look bad and thus hurting their profits sounds like COMMUNISM to me.

Someone get a Pinochet.

No comrade, communism is when the state controls it.

Economic policy doesn't dictate when and if consumers can get mad.

 

[moocow]

Just keep reporting it and eventually it will get taken down. We have seen a number of black racist cows get taken down because we.ens reported them for racist content.

Yeah, no. I reported plenty of that horseshit before I closed my account there last year, and I grew quite accustomed to reading the "we didn't find anything wrong with this post, blah blah blah, here's the block button, loser" canned response they sent every time they refused to take something down.

 

[Male Idiot]

You can't get banned if you never joined. You can't want to throw darkies out if you never let them in for the first time.

 

[AP 297]

Yeah, no. I reported plenty of that horseshit before I closed my account there last year, and I grew quite accustomed to reading the "we didn't find anything wrong with this post, blah blah blah, here's the block button, loser" canned response they sent every time they refused to take something down.

I mentioned Kylie Brooks earlier.

There was also this wonderful specimen of spiteful rage:

https://embed.kiwifarms.st/threads/zhane-brooks.10117/post-788618

She went up and down several times. We have seen this a few times. Sadly with Facebook enforcement of their terms of service can be hit or miss. If you have an example of what you reported, we would love to see it. For the very least we can laugh at the idiot. At the most, some people will probably report them after seeing it too.

Facebook itself has been hounded about inconsistent enforcement. ProPublica went after them a few times for it back in 2017.

Facebook’s Secret Censorship Rules Protect White Men From Hate Speech But Not Black Children — ProPublica

A trove of internal documents sheds light on the algorithms that Facebook’s censors use to differentiate between hate speech and legitimate political expression.

www.propublica.org

Facebook’s Uneven Enforcement of Hate Speech Rules Allows Vile Posts to Stay Up — ProPublica

We asked Facebook about its handling of 49 posts that might be deemed offensive. The company acknowledged that its content reviewers had made the wrong call on 22 of them.

www.propublica.org

Then there was this bombshell -

Facebook Faces Federal Discrimination Lawsuit

As the company struggles to curb hate speech on the site, it faces a new lawsuit for violating federal laws preventing discriminatory ads

fortune.com

Not as many people talked about it, but Facebook was caught redlining its ads in relation to housing. Also they age discriminated against people over 40 on employment ads. Suffice it to say, the site is facing a backlash from all sides now. We all know about the data mining scandal, but this article indicates it was all much worse than we know. The New Zealand outrage is helping to keep it out of most of the media.

Facebook is sadly too big to manage itself now. This banning of white supremacy groups by being more aggressive with its algorithm is really the site rearranging the deck chairs. They are in the middle of a PR and legal nightmare. They are supposed to manage this stuff and have been failing at it consistently.

Edit: I am also adding this as another example of Facebook not being able to police itself.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social...-just-keystrokes-away-researchers-say-n991121

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

I mentioned Kylie Brooks earlier.

There was also this wonderful specimen of spiteful rage:

https://embed.kiwifarms.st/threads/zhane-brooks.10117/post-788618

She went up and down several times. We have seen this a few times. Sadly with Facebook enforcement of their terms of service can be hit or miss. If you have an example of what you reported, we would love to see it. For the very least we can laugh at the idiot. At the most, some people will probably report them after seeing it too.

Facebook itself has been hounded about inconsistent enforcement. ProPublica went after them a few times for it back in 2017.

Facebook’s Secret Censorship Rules Protect White Men From Hate Speech But Not Black Children — ProPublica

A trove of internal documents sheds light on the algorithms that Facebook’s censors use to differentiate between hate speech and legitimate political expression.

www.propublica.org

Facebook’s Uneven Enforcement of Hate Speech Rules Allows Vile Posts to Stay Up — ProPublica

We asked Facebook about its handling of 49 posts that might be deemed offensive. The company acknowledged that its content reviewers had made the wrong call on 22 of them.

www.propublica.org

Then there was this bombshell -

Facebook Faces Federal Discrimination Lawsuit

As the company struggles to curb hate speech on the site, it faces a new lawsuit for violating federal laws preventing discriminatory ads

fortune.com

Not as many people talked about it, but Facebook was caught redlining its ads in relation to housing. Also they age discriminated against people over 40 on employment ads. Suffice it to say, the site is facing a backlash from all sides now. We all know about the data mining scandal, but this article indicates it was all much worse than we know. The New Zealand outrage is helping to keep it out of most of the media.

Facebook is sadly too big to manage itself now. This banning of white supremacy groups by being more aggressive with its algorithm is really the site rearranging the deck chairs. They are in the middle of a PR and legal nightmare. They are supposed to manage this stuff and have been failing at it consistently.

Edit: I am also adding this as another example of Facebook not being able to police itself.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social...-just-keystrokes-away-researchers-say-n991121

So... you acknowledge they are completely inconsistent, people are showing you the inconsistency has a certain pattern, and you still deny the underlying idea facebook is purposely censoring conservative viewpoints? It's all just a result of incompetence, and the lack of symmetry is just because conservatives are worse in general? Remember, this was happening before the Tarrant shooting, so it doesn't work as justification.

 

[AP 297]

So... you acknowledge they are completely inconsistent, people are showing you the inconsistency has a certain pattern, and you still deny the underlying idea facebook is purposely censoring conservative viewpoints? It's all just a result of incompetence, and the lack of symmetry is just because conservatives are worse in general? Remember, this was happening before the Tarrant shooting, so it doesn't work as justification.

I think more people may be reporting conservative content or individuals inside the company are acting on their own. SJW types being intolerant of different opinions is pretty common and they are more likely to report content than the other side is.

I think Facebook is a lot more difficult to manage inside itself now than people imagine. Also I think this newest move is to throw a bone to critics from the left, when Facebook has been caught clearly violating Federal Law. Like I said, "Rearranging Deck Chairs".

The Tarrant shooting being the case we see over the other actual issues they have been caught with.

 

[RG 448]

“White supremacy is getting the priority on facebook because some cracker livestreamed racially motivated killings”

“Yeah but look what this black guy did!”

“Okay but he didnt livestream it on facebook”

“STOP SHIFTING THE GOALPOST!!!”

 

[moocow]

“Okay but he didnt livestream it on facebook”

These four did. I don't recall seeing a rash of black supremacy bans happening in the wake of that one. Incidentally, the offenders' Facebook pages are still up and they're not banned. ?

 

[RG 448]

These four did. I don't recall seeing a rash of black supremacy bans happening in the wake of that one. Incidentally, the offenders' Facebook pages are still up and they're not banned. ?

Facebook needs to get on their shit then.

 

[NotoriousD]

I've never used Facebook. I've considered it, family members of mine use it solely for online groups of local people who sell stuff and advertise it on Facebook. But so far I never have, and if I do it'd just be for that so that say, if I need something for a few bucks someone might be selling it used but decent condition within walking distance in my small area.

That said...does this mean that saying you're proud to be white, not a white nationalist, just "white" gets you banned? That type of misuse is about the only thing I can see wrong with this. But at the same time, I'm of the mindset that if you go on Facebook and argue about race and what races can be proud to be said race, you need to get offline and actually stop giving a shit and enjoy life.

 

[Medicated]

However black nationalist communities aren't as widespread on the internet, and the few ones out there aren't as large compared to Stormfront. So I see why black nationalism or any other type doesn't get as much attention.

Everyone loves a good fictional Black Nationalist country. Some even want it to be real.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

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That said...does this mean that saying you're proud to be white, not a white nationalist, just "white" gets you banned? That type of misuse is about the only thing I can see wrong with this. But at the same time, I'm of the mindset that if you go on Facebook and argue about race and what races can be proud to be said race, you need to get offline and actually stop giving a shit and enjoy life.

We could test the water by saying and trolling then we're "white jews" since white is the new jew so.... or other terms like "white black man", "white asians", etc....

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Facebook needs to get on their shit then.

Huh. That's what we've been saying for like 10 pages and you seemed to insist they were already on it. But you keep making weird posts declaring yourself the victor of this conversation for some reason.

 

[RG 448]

Huh. That's what we've been saying for like 10 pages and you seemed to insist they were already on it. But you keep making weird posts declaring yourself the victor of this conversation for some reason.

I’ve never lost a debate to the best of my very selective memory.