Facebook megathread

https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/30/18203551/apple-facebook-blocked-internal-ios-apps

Apple has shut down Facebook’s ability to distribute internal iOS apps, from early releases of the Facebook app to basic tools like a lunch menu. A person familiar with the situation tells The Verge that early versions of Facebook, Instagram, Messenger, and other pre-release “dogfood” (beta) apps have stopped working, as have other employee apps, like one for transportation. Facebook is treating this as a critical problem internally, we’re told, as the affected apps simply don’t launch on employees’ phones anymore.

The shutdown comes in response to news that Facebook has been using Apple’s program for internal app distribution to track teenage customers with a “research” app.

That app, revealed yesterday by TechCrunch, was distributed outside of the App Store using Apple’s enterprise program, which allows developers to use special certificates to install more powerful apps onto iPhones. Those apps are only supposed to be used by a company’s employees, however, and Facebook had been distributing its tracking app to customers. Facebook later said it would shut down the app.

This poses a huge issue for Facebook. While Apple provides other tools a company can use to install apps internally, Apple’s enterprise program is the main solution for widely distributing internal apps and services. In an email, a Facebook spokesperson said “I can confirm that this affects our internal apps.”

In a statement given to Recode, Apple said that Facebook was in “clear breach of their agreement with Apple.” Any developer that breaches that agreement, Apple said, has their distribution certificates revoked, “which is what we did in this case to protect our users and their data.” Apple declined to comment on shutting down all of Facebook’s internal apps in an email to The Verge.

Revoking a certificate not only stops apps from being distributed on iOS, but it also stops apps from working. And because internal apps by the same organization or developer may be connected to a single certificate, it can lead to immense headaches like the one Facebook now finds itself in where a multitude of internal apps have been shut down.

Apple and Facebook have already been bickering over privacy, but this is the first instance of Apple taking an action that directly shuts down some of Facebook’s activities. Last March, Apple CEO Tim Cook criticized Facebook’s handling of the Cambridge Analytica data sharing scandal, saying, “I wouldn’t be in this situation” if he were running the company. Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg later said the comments were “extremely glib” and spoke of Apple as a company that “work hard to charge you more.”

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Agreed, I hardly see the point of discontinuing segregation if the people who had to fight for equal rights aren’t even going to be grateful about it.

I disagree. After all, shouldn't everyone who repents know that their repentance will be used to justify an eternity of rent-seeking and dispossession?

 

[TerribleIdeas™]

They weren't breaking rules so faceberg changed the rules to fuck them, why aren't they now doing the same to anti-vaxxers, alt-medicine or pro-drug groups? Faceberg is helping them spread their lies that destroy lives and kill people probably far more than white separatists ever have.

If they're willing to change rules to "deplatform" a group isn't that a tacit endorsement of all the groups they don't "deplatform"?

Or Black nationalists like NoI or the Black Israelites?
And as far as the "IT ISN'T THE GUBBERMINT!" argument, people have not only correctly pointed out the interconnectivity of social media platforms and their impact on numerous aspects of an individuals' life, but there's ALSO shit like paypal and patreon cooperating with payment processors to eliminate people's ability to develop income streams, and some banks have apparently been telling people to close their accounts.

IE. - https://bigleaguepolitics.com/financial-fascism-chase-bank-de-platforms-another-conservative/

You don't have to take Big League Politics as an amazing source, but Markota isn't going to falsify bank letterheads without Chase Bank being able to consider litigation against her.

 

[The Crow]

i support this bc all white people especially males need to check their privledge. punch nazis!

 

[imika0]

nationalists are just furries and their countries are their fursonas

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

It's ironic. If we had gotten rid of slavery the way every other country in the world did instead of with a civil war (one at least partially fought over the issue of slavery), it's unlikely we would have these problems today.

If. Frankly the economy of the South was too tied to slavery for there to be any solution that would not have resulted in violence short of tolerating slavery (and that would have led to violence long term). The only real way the South to have avoided the issue of slavery would for it to have been fundamentally colonized differently.

 

[TerribleIdeas™]

i support this bc all white people especially males need to check their privledge. punch nazis!

This only works for me if you're going to tongue-punch my fartbox.

So my tribe's subjugation at the hands of the English for over 800 years means nothing?

Irish cuisine is the penance you deserve for being Irish. Boil that shit a little longer, Mick.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

It's ironic. If we had gotten rid of slavery the way every other country in the world did instead of with a civil war (one at least partially fought over the issue of slavery), it's unlikely we would have these problems today.

To be fair most other countries still run slavery they just do so "unoficially." (To distance the governments responsibility for it: Which I find to be pretty sneaky) (With exception to those who literally shut down their slave trades all together.)

In regards to whether we'd have similar problems. I'm not so sure honestly. Personally, it was probably inevitable either way even if we had done things differently. In this case I guess you could call it a "perfect" (or "awful") storm.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

And as far as the "IT ISN'T THE GUBBERMINT!" argument, [...]

"IF IT ISN'T THE GUBBERMINT" is a bit of Randroid cant that the left adopted a couple years back when it became convenient to make a deal with the robber barons of silicon valley. Hell, I remember the left all throughout the W years- "muh big corporations" were one of their biggest boogeymen. That their propaganda department (the MSM) has succeeded in creating the illusion that this has always been a thing (anywhere other than among libertarian spergs) shows that they still have far too much power.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

To be fair most other countries still run slavery they just do so "unoficially." (To distance the governments responsibility for it: Which I find to be pretty sneaky) (With exception to those who literally shut down their slave trades all together.)

In regards to whether we'd have similar problems. I'm not so sure honestly. Personally, it was probably inevitable either way even if we had done things differently. In this case I guess you could call it a "perfect" (or "awful") storm.

I wouldn't say most unless you are counting illegal human trafficking, but I get your point

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

I wouldn't say most unless you are counting illegal human trafficking, but I get your point

True, that was a poor choice of words because a decent amount of countries, and so on cut off their "unofficial" slave trades.

 

[TerribleIdeas™]

I wouldn't say most unless you are counting illegal human trafficking, but I get your point

Depends on the goalposts we're setting, and the definitions we're using.

Most of the Middle East has near slavery conditions for a lot of foreign workers, and I think S.A. companies that use foreign workers write the contracts so the employee is functionally trapped in S.A, without a passport, for 50-51 weeks out of every year. We can also argue whether illegals in the US that work under threat of their employer deciding to report them to ICE anonymously if they don't accept bottom-tier wages for grueling wok counts.

I mean, I think both scenarios are shitty, but I also don't know if they fit the definition sufficiently. But they do come mighty close, excepting that wages are being paid.

Edit - I forgot about the ancap meme of "taxation is slavery", even though the definition of slavery says nothing about being taxed, but being paid $0 for your work; under the argument that unpaid work qualifies, all the tech companies that force idiot millennials into unpaid internships as "job experience" come much closer to qualifying.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

We’re now talking about reparations in a discussion about facebook banning racism. I think that says more than I ever could.

Yeah, so weird, how on earth did the discussion about facebook banning racism get wrapped into slavery? Must be all the KF people just subconciously having the desire to enslave black people.

How many years did white people spend under legalized segregation in the US? Or as slaves? It’s not the same thing lmao

???

You're being disingenuous purposely. I'll take that as you realizing you were wrong but not wanting to admit it, so you tried to pull a "Who was even talking about slavery though?!?"

Right. Learning from the past is dumb.

You're an idiot man. I don't know what else to say. How exactly is banning the white version of something and not the black version "learning from the past"? If you can't intelligently respond, maybe consider why, instead of vomiting some idiotic cliche while insinuating everyone else must have some moral failing not to see things your way.

 

[RG 448]

I'll take that as you realizing you were wrong but not wanting to admit it, so you tried to pull a "Who was even talking about slavery though?‽"

You misinterpreted my post then.

 

[Draza]

Yeah, so weird, how on earth did the discussion about facebook banning racism get wrapped into slavery? Must be all the KF people just subconciously having the desire to enslave black people.


???

You're being disingenuous purposely. I'll take that as you realizing you were wrong but not wanting to admit it, so you tried to pull a "Who was even talking about slavery though?‽"


You're an idiot man. I don't know what else to say. How exactly is banning the white version of something and not the black version "learning from the past"? If you can't intelligently respond, maybe consider why, instead of vomiting some idiotic cliche while insinuating everyone else must have some moral failing not to see things your way.

Calm down man.

 

[GS 281]

How exactly is banning the white version of something and not the black version "learning from the past"?

thats not what i said though.

 

[DarkResearchAnon]

Let me play devils advocate here. Lets say you were given a lifetime employment contract that paid for your onsite housing, your entire medical, and utilities, and if you were crippled you'd be cared for the rest of your natural life, and all that it asked in exchange was 16 hours of work in the fields of agriculture alongside your employers.
And then after you'd grown up in this contract some liberal idiot with abzurd pronouns gets the state to ban it and you are left out in the streets with hundreds of thousands like yourself with no job skills and no idea how to feed yourselves, and that winter 100,000 of your fellow "slaves" starve to death because some old nosy hags destroyed your livelihood.

Because that's exactly what happened, but nobody talks about what the actual slaves wanted, so its attention seeking moralists all trying to one up the other in the morality olympics.
Here, this section is cited, accurate and very eye opening, and the book it quotes from was written by 'the Reverend Nehemiah Adams, a Unitarian Universalist minister and staunch abolitionist living in Boston, which makes him about as left-wing as you could get in the 1850s '

3. Slavery Reconsidered

Whip hand: the free-thinking Carlyle Club abolishes Whig history, serves up some primary sources, and cottons on to a south-side view in this, our masterful third issue. It’s bound to please!

radishmag.wordpress.com

Fuck it, lets have an excerpt:
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From Section 10, ‘Absence of Pauperism’:

Pauperism is prevented by slavery. This idea is absurd, no doubt, in the apprehension of many at the north, who think that slaves are, as a matter of course, paupers. Nothing can be more untrue.
Every slave has an inalienable claim in law upon his owner for support for the whole of life. He can not be thrust into an almshouse, he can not become a vagrant, he can not beg his living, he can not be wholly neglected when he is old and decrepit.
I saw a white-headed negro at the door of his cabin on a gentleman’s estate, who had done no work for ten years. He enjoys all the privileges of the plantation, garden, and orchard; is clothed and fed as carefully as though he were useful. On asking him his age, he said he thought he “must be nigh a hundred”; that he was a servant to a gentleman in the army “when Washington fit Cornwallis and took him at Little York.”
At a place called Harris’s Neck, Georgia, there is a servant who has been confined to his bed with rheumatism thirty years, and no invalid has more reason to be grateful for attention and kindness.
Going into the office of a physician and surgeon, I accidentally saw the leg of a black man which had just been amputated for an ulcer. The patient will be a charge upon his owner for life. An action at law may be brought against one who does not provide a comfortable support for his servants.

And from Section 11, ‘Wages of Labor’:

One error which I had to correct in my own opinions was with regard to wages of labor. I will illustrate my meaning by relating a case.
A young colored woman is called into a family at the south to do work as a seamstress. Her charge is, perhaps, thirty-seven and a half cents per day.
“Do you have your wages for your own use?” “No; I pay mistress half of what I earn.”
Seamstresses in our part of the country, toiling all day, you will naturally think, are not compelled to give one half of their earnings to an owner. This may be your first reflection, accompanied with a feeling of compassion for the poor girl, and with some thoughts, not agreeable, concerning mistresses who take from a child of toil half her day’s earnings. You will put this down as one of the accusations to be justly made against slavery.
But, on reflecting further, you may happen to ask yourself, How much does it cost this seamstress for room rent, board, and clothing? The answer will be, nothing. Who provides her with these? Her mistress. Perhaps, now, your sympathy may he arrested, and may begin to turn in favor of the mistress. The girl does not earn enough to pay her expenses, yet she has a full support, and lays up money.
[…]
The accusation against slavery of working human beings without wages must be modified, if we give a proper meaning to the term wages. A stipulated sum per diem is our common notion of wages. A vast many slaves get wages in a better form than this—in provision for their support for the whole of life, with permission to earn something, and more or less according to the disposition of the masters and the ability of the slaves. A statement of the case, which perhaps is not of much value, was made by a slaveholder in this form: You hire a domestic by the week, or a laborer by the month, for certain wages, with food, lodging, perhaps clothing; I hire him for the term of life, becoming responsible for him in his decrepitude and old age. Leaving out of view the involuntariness on his part of the arrangement, he gets a good equivalent for his services; to his risk of being sold, and passing from hand to hand, there is an offset in the perpetual claim which he will have on some owner for maintenance all his days. Whether some of our immigrants would not be willing to enter into such a contract, is a question which many opponents of slavery at the north would not hesitate to answer for them, saying that liberty to beg and to starve is better than to have all your present wants supplied, and a competency for life guarantied, in slavery.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Kek, how has this thread not been thrown in the Spergatory yet?

It certainly is a very thunkful thread.

 

[GS 281]

It certainly is a very thunkful thread.

It should be locked for going far off-topic but if it gets locked then people will whine.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

It should be locked for going far off-topic but if it gets locked then people will whine.

Do it for the lulz

 

[RG 448]

And then after you'd grown up in this contract some liberal idiot with abzurd pronouns gets the state to ban it and you are left out in the streets with hundreds of thousands like yourself with no job skills and no idea how to feed yourselves, and that winter 100,000 of your fellow "slaves" starve to death because some old nosy hags destroyed your livelihood.

What if you were one of the slaves who was beaten or killed by a master who in all liklihood would get away with it? Or you were one of the slaves who was separated from your family? Or one of the other millions of things that can go wrong when you’re treated like property in a country you or someone you descended from was dragged to against their will?