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Facebook Is Weaker Than We Knew​

Kevin Roose
Mon, October 4, 2021
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FILE - This Oct. 25, 2019 file photo shows Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg speaking at the Paley Center in New York.

Zuckerberg donated $400 million to help fund election offices as they scrambled to deal with the coronavirus pandemic late last summer. At least eight GOP-controlled states have passed bans on donations to election offices this year as Republicans try to block outside funding of voting operations. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan, File)More

One possible way to read “The Facebook Files,” The Wall Street Journal’s excellent series of reports based on leaked internal Facebook research, is as a story about an unstoppable juggernaut bulldozing society on its way to the bank.

The series has exposed damning evidence that Facebook has a two-tier justice system, that it knew Instagram was worsening body-image issues among girls and that it had a bigger vaccine misinformation problem than it let on, among other issues. And it would be easy enough to come away thinking that Facebook is terrifyingly powerful, and can be brought to heel only with aggressive government intervention.

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But there’s another way to read the series, and it’s the interpretation that has reverberated louder inside my brain as each new installment has landed.
Which is: Facebook is in trouble.

Not financial trouble, or legal trouble, or even senators-yelling-at-Mark-Zuckerberg trouble. What I’m talking about is a kind of slow, steady decline that anyone who has ever seen a dying company up close can recognize. It’s a cloud of existential dread that hangs over an organization whose best days are behind it, influencing every managerial priority and product decision and leading to increasingly desperate attempts to find a way out. This kind of decline is not necessarily visible from the outside, but insiders see a hundred small, disquieting signs of it every day — user-hostile growth hacks, frenetic pivots, executive paranoia, the gradual attrition of talented colleagues.

It has become fashionable among Facebook critics to emphasize the company’s size and dominance while bashing its missteps. In a Senate hearing Thursday, lawmakers grilled Antigone Davis, Facebook’s global head of safety, with questions about the company’s addictive product design and the influence it has over its billions of users. Many of the questions to Davis were hostile, but as with most Big Tech hearings, there was an odd sort of deference in the air, as if the lawmakers were asking: Hey, Godzilla, would you please stop stomping on Tokyo?

But if these leaked documents proved anything, it is how un-Godzilla-like Facebook feels. Internally, the company worries that it is losing power and influence, not gaining it, and its own research shows that many of its products aren’t thriving organically. Instead, it is going to increasingly extreme lengths to improve its toxic image, and to stop users from abandoning its apps in favor of more compelling alternatives.

You can see this vulnerability on display in an installment of the Journal’s series that landed last week. The article, which cited internal Facebook research, revealed that the company has been strategizing about how to market itself to children, referring to preteens as a “valuable but untapped audience.” The article contained plenty of fodder for outrage, including a presentation in which Facebook researchers asked if there was “a way to leverage playdates to drive word of hand/growth among kids?”

It’s a crazy-sounding question, but it’s also revealing. Would a confident, thriving social media app need to “leverage playdates,” or concoct elaborate growth strategies aimed at 10-year-olds? If Facebook is so unstoppable, would it really be promoting itself to tweens as — and please read this in the voice of the Steve Buscemi “How do you do, fellow kids?” meme — a “Life Coach for Adulting?”

The truth is that Facebook’s thirst for young users is less about dominating a new market and more about staving off irrelevance. Facebook use among teenagers in the United States has been declining for years, and is expected to plummet even further soon — internal researchers predicted that daily use would decline 45% by 2023. The researchers also revealed that Instagram, whose growth offset declining interest in Facebook’s core app for years, is losing market share to faster-growing rivals like TikTok, and younger users aren’t posting as much content as they used to.

“Facebook is for old people” was the brutal verdict delivered by one 11-year-old boy to the company’s researchers, according to the internal documents.

A good way to think about Facebook’s problems is that they come in two primary flavors: problems caused by having too many users, and problems caused by having too few of the kinds of users it wants — culture-creating, trendsetting, advertiser-coveted young Americans.

The Facebook Files contains evidence of both types. One installment, for example, looked at the company’s botched attempts to stop criminal activity and human rights abuses in the developing world — an issue exacerbated by Facebook’s habit of expanding into countries where it has few employees and little local expertise.
But that kind of problem can be fixed, or at least improved, with enough resources and focus. The second type of problem — when tastemakers abandon your platforms en masse — is the one that kills you. And it appears to be the one that Facebook executives are most worried about.

Take the third article in the Journal’s series, which revealed how Facebook’s 2018 decision to change its News Feed algorithm to emphasize “meaningful social interactions” instead generated a spike in outrage and anger.

The algorithm change was portrayed at the time as a noble push for healthier conversations. But internal reports revealed that it was an attempt to reverse a yearslong decline in user engagement. Likes, shares and comments on the platform were falling, as was a metric called “original broadcasts.” Executives tried to reverse the decline by rejiggering the News Feed algorithm to promote content that garnered a lot of comments and reactions, which turned out to mean, roughly, “content that makes people very angry.”

“Protecting our community is more important than maximizing our profits,” said Joe Osborne, a Facebook spokesman. “To say we turn a blind eye to feedback ignores these investments, including the 40,000 people working on safety and security at Facebook and our investment of $13 billion since 2016.”

It’s far too early to declare Facebook dead. The company’s stock price has risen nearly 30% in the past year, lifted by strong advertising revenue and a spike in use of some products during the pandemic. Facebook is still growing in countries outside the United States, and could succeed there even if it stumbles domestically. And the company has invested heavily in newer initiatives, like augmented and virtual reality products, that could turn the tide if they’re successful.

But Facebook’s research tells a clear story, and it’s not a happy one. Its younger users are flocking to Snapchat and TikTok, and its older users are posting anti-vaccine memes and arguing about politics. Some Facebook products are actively shrinking, while others are merely making their users angry or self-conscious.

Facebook’s declining relevance with young people shouldn’t necessarily make its critics optimistic. History teaches us that social networks rarely age gracefully, and that tech companies can do a lot of damage on the way down. (I’m thinking of Myspace, which grew increasingly seedy and spam-filled as it became a ghost town, and ended up selling off user data to advertising firms. But you could find similarly ignoble stories from the annals of most failed apps.) Facebook’s next few years could be uglier than its last few, especially if it decides to scale back its internal research and integrity efforts in the wake of the leaks.

None of this is to say that Facebook isn’t powerful, that it shouldn’t be regulated or that its actions don’t deserve scrutiny. It can simultaneously be true that Facebook is in decline and that it is still one of the most influential companies in history, with the ability to shape politics and culture all over the globe.

But we shouldn’t mistake defensiveness for healthy paranoia, or confuse a platform’s desperate flailing for a show of strength. Godzilla eventually died, and as the Facebook Files make clear, so will Facebook.

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“Facebook is for old people” was the brutal verdict delivered by one 11-year-old boy to the company’s researchers, according to the internal documents.

“Protecting our community is more important than maximizing our profits,” said Joe Osborne, a Facebook spokesman. “To say we turn a blind eye to feedback ignores these investments, including the 40,000 people working on safety and security at Facebook and our investment of $13 billion since 2016.”
>40,000 jannies
>Wondering why the kids think Facebook is for boomers and faggots

You might need Sherlock Holmes to solve this mystery, Joe.
 
Zuckerberg donated $400 million to help fund election offices as they scrambled to deal with the coronavirus pandemic late last summer. At least eight GOP-controlled states have passed bans on donations to election offices this year as Republicans try to block outside funding of voting operations.
I had no idea this was even legal
 
When the past decade has been a blur and one never hopped on the social media bandwagon, it can be odd to see FB quickly rise and then cause a lot of freakout when it goes down.
 
I can't believe enough people still use that site for this to make the news. It was already at "this isn't really fun anymore" nearly half a decade ago, and everything I hear tells me it's only gotten worse since then. Last I was on there was 3-4 years ago and it was so boring and unenjoyable. Half the friend list never seemed to use it, you'd almost never see an original post, just posts shared from pages, usually without comment. The site felt dead. Their ad revenue has gone up by billions in recent years though so I guess it must just be people habitually logging in, scrolling, chasing a dopamine rush that never really comes.
 
I can see how all the people who had their shit logged in via a facebook account crapped themselves more than just facebook itself
but yeah deserve, get, you, etc
 
I fucking hate defending Facebook but this is pretty obviously a way to attack facebook and promote more narrative friendly social media like Twitter. When you pose this article as the Facebook VS Twitter rant that it really is, you can see the truth of what's happening and their hypocrisy. Looking at the Facebook files that the WSJ objectively reveals little for facebook to worry about:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-facebook-files-11631713039

https://archive.md/V2lBJ

Issue 1: Facebook Says Its Rules Apply to All. Company Documents Reveal a Secret Elite That’s Exempt

Mark Zuckerberg has said Facebook allows its users to speak on equal footing with the elites of politics, culture and journalism, and that its standards apply to everyone. In private, the company has built a system that has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules. The program, known as “cross check” or “XCheck,” was intended as a quality-control measure for high-profile accounts. Today, it shields millions of VIPs from the company’s normal enforcement, the documents show. Many abuse the privilege, posting material including harassment and incitement to violence that would typically lead to sanctions. Facebook says criticism of the program is fair, that it was designed for a good purpose and that the company is working to fix it. (Listen to a related podcast.)

No shit, so does Twitter. Every social media group has VIPs that they allow to bypass the rules. There's a reason why certain twitter users can openly call for the murders and deaths of right wing officials while the reverse doesn't apply.

Issue 2: Facebook Knows Instagram Is Toxic for Many Teen Girls, Company Documents Show

Researchers inside Instagram, which is owned by Facebook, have been studying for years how its photo-sharing app affects millions of young users. Repeatedly, the company found that Instagram is harmful for a sizable percentage of them, most notably teenage girls, more so than other social-media platforms. In public, Facebook has consistently played down the app’s negative effects, including in comments to Congress, and hasn’t made its research public or available to academics or lawmakers who have asked for it. In response, Facebook says the negative effects aren’t widespread, that the mental-health research is valuable and that some of the harmful aspects aren’t easy to address. (Listen to a related podcast.)

I don't need how to point out how toxic twitter is for both men and women, I think about 75 percent of this site's content comes from that platform.

Issue 3: Facebook Tried to Make Its Platform a Healthier Place. It Got Angrier Instead.

Facebook made a heralded change to its algorithm in 2018 designed to improve its platform—and arrest signs of declining user engagement. Mr. Zuckerberg declared his aim was to strengthen bonds between users and improve their well-being by fostering interactions between friends and family. Within the company, the documents show, staffers warned the change was having the opposite effect. It was making Facebook, and those who used it, angrier. Mr. Zuckerberg resisted some fixes proposed by his team, the documents show, because he worried they would lead people to interact with Facebook less. Facebook, in response, says any algorithm can promote objectionable or harmful content and that the company is doing its best to mitigate the problem. (Listen to a related podcast.)

These improvements were to weigh shared stories heavier and make sure that you would be able to see what your friends/family share instead of just random stuff the algorithm serves. Also, just laughing at the beginning of the article:

In the fall of 2018, Jonah Peretti, chief executive of online publisher BuzzFeed, emailed a top official at Facebook Inc. The most divisive content that publishers produced was going viral on the platform, he said, creating an incentive to produce more of it.
He pointed to the success of a BuzzFeed post titled “21 Things That Almost All White People are Guilty of Saying,” which received 13,000 shares and 16,000 comments on Facebook, many from people criticizing BuzzFeed for writing it, and arguing with each other about race. Other content the company produced, from news videos to articles on self-care and animals, had trouble breaking through, he said.

"Why don't benign articles about animals have the same engagement as racist articles that directly attack the biggest demographic in the USA? It must be because of Facebook's algorithm!"

Lastly I want to point out that twitter does this same shit too and to a far worse extent.

Issue 4: Facebook Employees Flag Drug Cartels and Human Traffickers. The Company’s Response Is Weak, Documents Show.
Scores of Facebook documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show employees raising alarms about how its platforms are used in developing countries, where its user base is huge and expanding. Employees flagged that human traffickers in the Middle East used the site to lure women into abusive employment situations. They warned that armed groups in Ethiopia used the site to incite violence against ethnic minorities. They sent alerts to their bosses about organ selling, pornography and government action against political dissent, according to the documents. They also show the company’s response, which in many instances is inadequate or nothing at all. A Facebook spokesman said the company has deployed global teams, local partnerships and third-party fact checkers to keep users safe. (Listen to a related podcast.)
People in Bay Area America don't give a shit about content in other languages, their focus is on English. Having said that, I spoke to two friends of mine, one Indian and one Iraqi. They both agreed that Facebook is far better moderated in foreign language content than Twitter. The Iraqi actually complained that he cannot use Twitter in his native language because even innocent tags are clogged with Jihadi stuff, gore, and child pornography.

Issue 5: How Facebook Hobbled Mark Zuckerberg’s Bid to Get America Vaccinated
Facebook threw its weight behind promoting Covid-19 vaccines—“a top company priority,” one memo said—in a demonstration of Mr. Zuckerberg’s faith that his creation is a force for social good in the world. It ended up demonstrating the gulf between his aspirations and the reality of the world’s largest social platform. Activists flooded the network with what Facebook calls “barrier to vaccination” content, the internal memos show. They used Facebook’s own tools to sow doubt about the severity of the pandemic’s threat and the safety of authorities’ main weapon to combat it. The Covid-19 problems make it uncomfortably clear: Even when he set a goal, the chief executive couldn’t steer the platform as he wanted. A Facebook spokesman said in a statement that the data shows vaccine hesitancy for people in the U.S. on Facebook has declined by about 50% since January, and that the documents show the company’s “routine process for dealing with difficult challenges.”
Essentially complaining that people don't think the right way but instead of censoring them, facebook allowed them to stay despite dissenting opinions. This is actually a compliment to facebook.

Issue 6: Facebook’s Effort to Attract Preteens Goes Beyond Instagram Kids, Documents Show
Facebook has come under increasing fire in recent days for its effect on young users. Inside the company, teams of employees have for years been laying plans to attract preteens that go beyond what is publicly known, spurred by fear that it could lose a wave of users critical to its future. “Why do we care about tweens?” said one document from 2020. “They are a valuable but untapped audience.” Adam Mosseri, head of Instagram, said Facebook is not recruiting people too young to use its apps—the current age limit is 13—but is instead trying to understand how teens and preteens use technology and to appeal to the next generation. (Listen to a related podcast.)
Phrased in a way that's deliberately misleading, it's literally just market research. Tons of companies do this.

Issue 7: Facebook’s Documents About Instagram and Teens, Published

A Senate Commerce Committee hearing about Facebook, teens and mental health was prompted by a mid-September article in The Wall Street Journal. Based on internal company documents, it detailed Facebook’s internal research on the negative impact of its Instagram app on teen girls and others. Six of the documents that formed the basis of the Instagram article are published here.
The authors literally just said fuck it, combined points 2 and 6 together, and went out for drinks early that day.

Issue 8: Is Sheryl Sandberg’s Power Shrinking? Ten Years of Facebook Data Offers Clues
The Wall Street Journal reviewed 10 years of Facebook annual employee lists, which showed names, titles and managers for Facebook’s staffers and contract workers. The data show which teams under which executives have expanded the fastest, providing an unusually detailed public view of the company’s shifting power centers and priorities.
Not even that relevant, just shows which execs gained power and which didn't in 10 years. It's almost like companies adapt.

Issue 9: The Facebook Whistleblower, Frances Haugen, Says She Wants to Fix the Company, Not Harm It
Frances Haugen, a former Facebook product manager who gathered documents that formed the basis for the Journal’s series, said she had grown frustrated by what she saw as the company’s lack of openness about its platforms’ potential for harm and unwillingness to address its flaws. A Facebook spokesman Andy Stone said the company strives to balance free expression with safety. “To suggest we encourage bad content and do nothing is just not true,” he said. Listen to Ms. Haugen on .
Reminder that literally no one gave a shit until the media astroturfed her. She glows hard.

Now why is there this massive onslaught against Facebook right now? This article claims facebook is dying but let's compare it to its main competitor:

Facebook:

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The last time Facebook lost money was in 2008. Note the growing revenue that came with penetrating the Indian market. Now let's compare it to Twitter:

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Twitter leaks money like a sieve, is not diversified between several products that form the basis of the internet, just lost 1.1 billion dollars and another 800 million in a lawsuit, does no promotion/market research on how to appeal to younger people, makes no effort to break into the Indian market to the point where Indians massively distrust it, and Facebook is the one that's in trouble?

Fuck off.
 
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@Catch The Rainbow Facebook has WhatsApp which is very big outside of the US. It also has way less bots than Twitter. Yeah it’s not as fun but I suspect that a lot of the lost users are logging out of social media everywhere, not just Facebook. I don’t see it getting replaced, especially by Twitter.
 
In what universe would people go from Facebook to fucking Twitter? The majority of people using fucking Facebook use it to upload pictures of vacations and yap up to extended family or old friends. Twitter will never eat much of that marketshare.
 
@Catch The Rainbow Facebook has WhatsApp which is very big outside of the US. It also has way less bots than Twitter. Yeah it’s not as fun but I suspect that a lot of the lost users are logging out of social media everywhere, not just Facebook. I don’t see it getting replaced, especially by Twitter.
Whatsapp is insanely good for capturing user data even when messages are encrypted. The concern isn't getting facebook replaced, the concern is eliminating it as a viable platform because it goes against Democratic interests.

When I first heard of Facebook over a decaded ago it was described to me as MySpace for old people. Did they ever really capture the youth market?
Not really. That's why they bought instagram which has the youth market.
 
I can't believe enough people still use that site for this to make the news. It was already at "this isn't really fun anymore" nearly half a decade ago, and everything I hear tells me it's only gotten worse since then. Last I was on there was 3-4 years ago and it was so boring and unenjoyable. Half the friend list never seemed to use it, you'd almost never see an original post, just posts shared from pages, usually without comment. The site felt dead. Their ad revenue has gone up by billions in recent years though so I guess it must just be people habitually logging in, scrolling, chasing a dopamine rush that never really comes.

I haven't changed my FB posting style.

But it's only been the last two years in which I was sent to FB jail, twice, for quoting movie character lines that had the word "kill" in it because under the "Kinder Gentler Algorithims" that was now against "community guidelines" (read: death threat, probably against a troon) - I challenged both times, both times I got an auto-response that it was a mistake on their part, but, my ban was not rescinded either time, had to just let it timelapse out because I don't care about my profile enough to keep banging on the door of the Zuckerdome until a live person answers the door instead of a faulty robot, sparking and sputtering about "deviation from community guidelines is unacceptable".

And he wonders why everyone's gotten " angrier?" I certainly didn't get HAPPIER that I was banned from posting for a day because his hyper-AI is too dumb to recognize "I'm gonna kill you, Lloyd" is a line from Dumb and Dumber not a desire to murder an actual person called Lloyd

It's much worse today than it used to be due to these banbots wandering around with loaded shotguns and taking out anything they think is a threat, but I never made it a central part of my life, so it's kinda funny instead of infuriating as it goes to pieces in front of me.

About 2/3rds of the friends I made when I got started aren't active anymore, and that's to be expected, everything new eventually wears out.... remember that Facebook supplanted MySpace, and so will FB itself be supplanted someday. Every internet-based thing has an effective lifespan because of it's ethereal nature: none of it "really" exists without people whishing for it to, and the status quo is never wished for as much as something nebulously "better".
 
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