Everyday Feminism - aka Everyday Autism

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There was an article about how the pressure to have "straight, white" teeth is classist.

Good god. Nobody's expected to have perfect teeth. But they should try to be healthy and clean. Don't be like Nick Bate. I agree a lot of it has to do with parents, but c'mon. Good-looking teeth isn't just a cosmetic thing.
(Makes me wonder if that dude ever had an abcessed tooth. I suspect he'd be singing a different tune. (Worst pain I've ever experienced in my life. I'd rather have a migraine)
 
That's so reasonable I'm kind of surprised they published it.

http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/08/non-threatening-leadership-women/
I don't really have a problem with this article in principle, and it's kind of funny actually, but does it really matter if people think you're aggressive at work? I get that it's an issue more specific to women but I don't see why it really matters much as an issue... One of the execs at my work is aggressive and scary (In a real sense, not in a feminist strawman sense) and everyone does what she asks and that's probably why she's an exec. I'm also pretty blunt myself cause it gets shit done. I don't see why it matters if people think I'm "aggressive" other than it's "mean" but if you're a professional woman I would hope you have better things to worry about

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That's so reasonable I'm kind of surprised they published it.

http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/08/non-threatening-leadership-women/
I don't really have a problem with this article in principle, and it's kind of funny actually, but does it really matter if people think you're aggressive at work? I get that it's an issue more specific to women but I don't see why it really matters much as an issue... One of the execs at my work is aggressive and scary (In a real sense, not in a feminist strawman sense) and everyone does what she asks and that's probably why she's an exec. I'm also pretty blunt myself cause it gets shit done. I don't see why it matters if people think I'm "aggressive" other than it's "mean" but if you're a professional woman I would hope you have better things to worry about

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I'm not sure what they're trying to accomplish with this.
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I guess I'm just so used to reading their articles where they have actual solutions* and not joke ones. The mustache one did make me chuckle.

*at least what they think is a good solution to a problem that likely doesn't exist
 
I don't really have a problem with this article in principle, and it's kind of funny actually, but does it really matter if people think you're aggressive at work? I get that it's an issue more specific to women but I don't see why it really matters much as an issue... One of the execs at my work is aggressive and scary (In a real sense, not in a feminist strawman sense) and everyone does what she asks and that's probably why she's an exec.

Business is a game, of sorts, and the purpose of it is to make money. In almost any game, aggression is a winning strategy. This is why aggressive people tend to end up leaders.
 
I'm not sure what they're trying to accomplish with this.




I guess I'm just so used to reading their articles where they have actual solutions* and not joke ones. The mustache one did make me chuckle.

*at least what they think is a good solution to a problem that likely doesn't exist

I think it's just very autistic jokes, along the lines of 'women who are assertive are called bossy, people telling you not to be bossy are basically telling you to be pathetic like this' at least that's how I read it.
 
I think it's just very autistic jokes, along the lines of 'women who are assertive are called bossy, people telling you not to be bossy are basically telling you to be pathetic like this' at least that's how I read it.
I always saw "bossy" as describing more of the bitchy assertiveness. You can be assertive and in charge without being bitchy.
 
Isn't typing seen as a female skill? and I would expect a male boss to say "send me the report when its ready thanks", not just a terse "send it now" unless it's emporer palpatine
 
I always saw "bossy" as describing more of the bitchy assertiveness. You can be assertive and in charge without being bitchy.
Not according to EF. Being bitchy just means you're a leader, and you're smarter and better than anyone else.
 
I think the takeaway is that assertive women are seen as "bossy" and "bitchy", where assertive men are seen as strong leaders, which is unfair to working women and sexist
But like I said, who cares and why does it matter?
 
I think the takeaway is that assertive women are seen as "bossy" and "bitchy", where assertive men are seen as strong leaders, which is unfair to working women and sexist
But like I said, who cares and why does it matter?
But you can also call men and boys "bossy" because bossy isn't a gendered insult. Plus the message has the unintended effect of saying that women are so weak they can't handle a playground insult. Plus if they did ban bossy there would be another made to take its place. In short, it's just a word it can't hurt you.
 
I've always been partial to "martinet"

Oh, and male bossyness isn't admired by default, I've had two different bosses over me in the exact same job, a bossy one and a laid-back one. We're more productive now than we were under the bossy one, and I never looked forward to seeing him, guess who I chat with if I meet him in the hall?
 
Good god. Nobody's expected to have perfect teeth. But they should try to be healthy and clean. Don't be like Nick Bate. I agree a lot of it has to do with parents, but c'mon. Good-looking teeth isn't just a cosmetic thing.
(Makes me wonder if that dude ever had an abcessed tooth. I suspect he'd be singing a different tune. (Worst pain I've ever experienced in my life. I'd rather have a migraine)

IDK. At the VP level and above, at some companies even at "director," I'd say it's increasingly considered important to have teeth very close to "perfect," in any first-tier U.S. job market. Invisalign and veneers are very common. But at those job levels, when your teeth aren't perfect, you have the cash and dental insurance to fix them in any way you could think of. It might be inconvenient, and it might take some time or scary appointments, but at that point, anyone up for those positions should be in a reasonable place to have a straight smile.

People lower than that in the org structure in corporate jobs, or people in hourly positions/unemployed may not have the money to fix their teeth, but yeah, no one expects that shit from people in those positions. The people I feel bad for are people who've suffered tooth loss because of poor dental care as kids. Some people have smiles that are waaaaay more fucked up than can be easily disguised.

Once knew a low to mid level professional colleague who never, and I mean NEVER, smiled. Realized he was talking in a way that covered up his teeth, and once I knew that, I noticed he was missing about half his teeth. His job had meh insurance and there wouldn't be much way to fix that shit for a reasonable price short of taking your chances in a "medical tourism" country. I can't imagine how much he had to change his normal behavior/habits to keep people from seeing his fucked up mouth, but there's no way anyone would have taken him seriously if it was obvious he had the dentition of an Appalachian hick.

There'd be more value in this kind of article if it was like "don't totally disrespect someone for having a really jacked-up smile, did you know it could cost as much as a new car to fix that shit?" instead of pretending that normal people with everyday jobs need to live up to a perfect standard. "Some people are really far outside the norm and are still good/smart/competent people" is an ok moral. Creating some sort of "stop demanding perfection" strawman so EF readers can feel smugly superior when they deign to allow someone with slightly crooked teeth into their group of friends isn't a very ok moral, but is very par for the course.
 
IDK. At the VP level and above, at some companies even at "director," I'd say it's increasingly considered important to have teeth very close to "perfect," in any first-tier U.S. job market. Invisalign and veneers are very common. But at those job levels, when your teeth aren't perfect, you have the cash and dental insurance to fix them in any way you could think of. It might be inconvenient, and it might take some time or scary appointments, but at that point, anyone up for those positions should be in a reasonable place to have a straight smile.

Well I think that goes without saying.

People lower than that in the org structure in corporate jobs, or people in hourly positions/unemployed may not have the money to fix their teeth, but yeah, no one expects that shit from people in those positions. The people I feel bad for are people who've suffered tooth loss because of poor dental care as kids. Some people have smiles that are waaaaay more fucked up than can be easily disguised.

Once knew a low to mid level professional colleague who never, and I mean NEVER, smiled. Realized he was talking in a way that covered up his teeth, and once I knew that, I noticed he was missing about half his teeth. His job had meh insurance and there wouldn't be much way to fix that shit for a reasonable price short of taking your chances in a "medical tourism" country. I can't imagine how much he had to change his normal behavior/habits to keep people from seeing his fucked up mouth, but there's no way anyone would have taken him seriously if it was obvious he had the dentition of an Appalachian hick.

There'd be more value in this kind of article if it was like "don't totally disrespect someone for having a really jacked-up smile, did you know it could cost as much as a new car to fix that shit?" instead of pretending that normal people with everyday jobs need to live up to a perfect standard. "Some people are really far outside the norm and are still good/smart/competent people" is an ok moral. Creating some sort of "stop demanding perfection" strawman so EF readers can feel smugly superior when they deign to allow someone with slightly crooked teeth into their group of friends isn't a very ok moral, but is very par for the course.

Absolutely. I'm missing a few molars but you can't tell unless I open my mouth really wide. Not so much because of poor dental care so much as because of all the fucking meds I have to take. Anti-convulsants can wreck hell on your teeth. (Which reminds me, I need to make an appointment to see my dentist!) But there's no fucking excuse not to brush your teeth, or get your kids to brush your teeth.

(Unless, of course, you're a hockey player. Then messed up teeth are almost a given)


Did you guys know that wearing camo is anti-feminist?
 
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If you have a complex due to bandages you are too privileged for me to give a fuck.
There's a good reason that every SJW I know irl also has daddy paying at least half of their bills, despite being in their late 20s or even well into their 30s. It's hard to find a noble cause when you you are so privileged you essentially exist in a post-material state.

Business is a game, of sorts, and the purpose of it is to make money. In almost any game, aggression is a winning strategy. This is why aggressive people tend to end up leaders.
I don't get why people can't grasp this. Aggression isn't a male trait, it's a business trait. I'm a guy and I don't want to climb the ladder in my business too far because I don't want to go to work every day having to fight like a fucking shark. I'm comfortable not making half a mil annually if it means I can both pay my bills and have some fun living life.

But you can also call men and boys "bossy" because bossy isn't a gendered insult.
I had a major personal awakening to how bad this shit is a couple months ago when I was told my use of the word "evil" in the same sentence as Hillary Clinton's name was a gendered insult. Apparently, a "gendered insult" is any critical point they aren't prepared don't feel like they should have to confront.

Plus the message has the unintended effect of saying that women are so weak they can't handle a playground insult.
It's like claiming a shirt with cartoon women on it will keep real women with a passion for science from pursuing their dreams. It's incredibly demeaning and infantilizing to women, but in their view women should just give up and wait for institutionalised support to relieve them of having to earn anything.

Plus if they did ban bossy there would be another made to take its place.
Which is why this idea is such a dangerous example of language policing. Any critical talk they don't like should be banned, and it never ends.
 
As if "Bossy" is even gendered anyway. Maybe it's different in the Puritan States of America but in jolly old England if our boss is just a cunt whether they're male or female. There's some true gender-parity.
 
I've talked to a lot of the people at work and all of them, men and women both, preferred asshole male bosses to asshole female bosses. And pretty much all of them said the same thing. Women take the bitching about them more personally, and are more likely to retaliate against their underlings.

Same opinions from people ranging in ages from their 20's to 60's.
 
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