EVE Online - How To Climb The Learning Cliff While Twenty-Five Thousand Assholes Throw Rocks At You

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Orange Rhymer said:
cloaky camping was (?is?) a tactic that gave INFINITE mines of salt. My alliance was paid billions to do that to a mining alliance once...
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Is any alliance run by just a normal, chill dude because they all seem petty and autistic
The game obviously attracts the latter
 
Oskar Dirlewanger said:
I remember my friend telling us all the hot EVE online gossip at a boxing camp, intermixed with his own life stories of his ex girlfriend trying to frame him into having a baby that was not his, the two are now forever intermixed in my brain, is EVE online a game about gigantic space fleet cuckoldry warfare?
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Eve requires a level of IRL commitment that is insane. When you are leadership in an alliance of significant import, your real life and game life melt together. What ends up happening is RL hatreds, SWATs, pranks, and (extremely) rarely-love/sex/fuccs.
Many times I needed to be logged into multiple accounts/on comms for 30+ hours for some eve-emergency.
The essential problem is: you end up with an EXTREMELY distorted sense of your personal worth and accomplishments.
Just one more contributor to the battery of Millennial MPSD traps.
 
Y2K Baby said:
Is any alliance run by just a normal, chill dude because they all seem petty and autistic
The game obviously attracts the latter
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No. Normal/chill means you are bad at Eve. Some of the best leaders/players I have ever fleeted with were MONSTERS on comms. I believe the US military will not allow officers to address personnel in the manner I have treated and been treated.
It's an SM trainer.

Y2K Baby said:
The what
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Multiple Personality Disorder
 
RLS0812 said:
I never has the cash to 'properly' play this game ...
How much does it * actually cost * to play competitively now-a-days ?
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Get your free account, do the tutorials, play for a month. See if you like it (you probably wont). Players are CONSTANTLY hounded to recruit players, worse than Mormons. If you find a buddy, you can get a free month of 'Omega' status and so will he/she - if you subscribe for 6 mo.
Give it a solid month first. Like everything in life, the better you become, the more time (and money) it will require. When you become 'elite' (years later) you will understand the mechanics enough to: play Omega free for your 12 accounts, launder isk to RL money, etc...

BUT... An experienced player can be useful in a shitty ship on a free (Alpha) account. Especially in large groups. Zerg-rushing with alphas is a viable tactic, especially for the larger alliances (Goons, TEST, Horde, etc...) each one has their own Alpha army.
Better yet, screw Eve. Focus on reality.

Y2K Baby said:
mULTIple Personality Syndrome Disorder
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yeah, thats what I meant. I'm not a psych
 
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RLS0812 said:
I never has the cash to 'properly' play this game ...
How much does it * actually cost * to play competitively now-a-days ?
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Your BEST deal is always the subscriptions. When I quit, it was still @ $145 - $150 for 1 year Omega. There is once a year (mid-Dec I think) when the PLEX go on sale so cheap that it beats the sub prices.
So the answer: $20 per month if you pay in PLEX, @$13 per month if you sub.
Save your cash, play free for at LEAST 2-3 months. A new toon is value-less for the first 2-3 months regardless if he/she is Alpha or Omega.

Y2K Baby said:
I don't think syndrome disorder makes any sense.
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Never did to me either. My psychology prof always called it MPSD.
 
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Notgoodwithusernames said:
Never played EVE but the feats that some players have pulled off are legitimately impressive
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Believe it or not, there are tons of stories that are better... Forbes/MSM only posts the dolla-dolla 'value' of big fleet battles.
Salt is what motivated my group. We would catch retarded spies and pull basic Nigerian Prince scams on them, then listen to them cry/beg/moan on comms for their shit/space-money back. Later, kick from corp, and nuke/steal all their stuff.
Ransoming miners was a favorite as well. We would get space-bux from them and require them to join comms and sing a song. Nothing heinous, just lulzy. Most of the time, they refused and accepted their death. A couple times, the guy was cool and had fun/eventually joined us.
Only in this game can you literally sit in a random null-sec system, cloak, and have nerds lose their shit for everyone to see. 'Cloaky Camping' was literally zero-effort salt mining.
There are several stories in Eve that kinda get bad. Google 'The Bonus Room' story. Those guys literally drove a player to near insanity. However, there was no physicality involved, just for the hope of turning a scam into a win...
 
I only have two things to note about EVE.

One: when I first got my very own broadband Internet connection, I looked into MMORPGs. I pared down my options to two games: EVE Online, and City of Heroes. And then riiiiight about that time, that scandal with CCP staff helping one of the clan/guild/orgs with blueprints popped up on the gaming sites (back when they weren't fellating companies in those days. Before the dark times... before the Gamergate).

So yeah, in any case I went to City of Heroes instead.

Two: I read, extensively, the Mittani's accounts and stories. Some of that stuff was insane and perhaps a little terrifying. I like my games to not involve as much RL drama kthx.
 
Capsaicin Addict said:
I only have two things to note about EVE.

One: when I first got my very own broadband Internet connection, I looked into MMORPGs. I pared down my options to two games: EVE Online, and City of Heroes. And then riiiiight about that time, that scandal with CCP staff helping one of the clan/guild/orgs with blueprints popped up on the gaming sites (back when they weren't fellating companies in those days. Before the dark times... before the Gamergate).

So yeah, in any case I went to City of Heroes instead.

Two: I read, extensively, the Mittani's accounts and stories. Some of that stuff was insane and perhaps a little terrifying. I like my games to not involve as much RL drama kthx.
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CCP helping BOB was shitty, but not as game-harming as you think. Didn't help them in the end, BOB failcascaded soon after... Also, staff was fired, players permabanned and Goons got something in trade (still a secret 10+ yrs later)

Mittens hasen't played for fucking years. When he did play, he was more concerned paying his mortgage with RMT (real money trading-illegal in eve). Rumor- he actually had to go back and grovel for his paralegal job. Also, Goons=drama llama. Your corp will go to shit when you let goons in, even ex-goons. The one exception is goons from the OLD (early lowtax) days.

The meta-game in eve is so thick. The conspiracies go deep into the russian mafia, narco trade, and human trafficking. Not even joking. Rumors of CIA influencing and bad shit...

Storytime: Corp mate of mine was on comms, ex-military (sooper sekret). His comms were shitting the bed, robot voice, random packet loss and disconnects. Finally, he had enough and screamed into his microphone "WOULD YOU FAGGOTS FUCKING CUT IT OUT, THIS IS A FUCKING VIDEO GAME!".
Comms went crystal clear instantly and for the rest of the night.
true story-i was there
 
EVE is a one of a kind game but I feel it missed its chance to reach its full potential and the barrier to entry is too high and the meta too set for it to ever have a renaissance. You can sell steep learning curves, but not having to commit years just to have a basic ability to influence the game.

I don't buy that the game is fine and it's everybody else being too stupid that's the problem, either, because I don't even play it and I know about CCP's reputation for public temper tantrums. At no point in history has that quality ever not been co-morbid with questionable management.
 
I never really bought into the whole learning curve meme, even 10 or 12 years ago it wasn't that hard to wrap your head around once you figured out all of the different menus, and it's gotten even easier to learn over the years.

On paper, it's one of the best games ever made. In reality I generally prefer solo content and don't have the energy to deal with the politics and bullshit that comes with a top level corp, and the game becomes incredibly tedious and boring if you're not running with a group of high level players. Granted, I admit that this is what makes it such a great game, and if you're at that level and embedded into that community I can see why it's such an incredible game, but it's just not my cup of tea.

The problem today is that you would have to spend a ridiculous amount of money on skill injectors or literally months reading skill books to have any meaningful impact on PvP. This makes it incredibly difficult to attract new players. I would absolutely jump in if there was a private server or some kind of official legacy server where everyone starts on the same level playing field. That would never happen because it would completely defeat the entire point of the game, but I can dream. Given the state that CCP is in, we're never getting an EVE 2 either.
 
I played this fucking narcotic for ten years. Shot bob, shot goons, no regrets, smoke it if you got it.

The thing with EvE is that the game client really was secondary. Organizing people, being a non-shit leader, coming up with fun things to do - that was the actual fun challenge. Because PVE is shit, and I am not an autistic enough sweede to be a solo PVPer.

tl;dr, Mittens is an asshole, big 0.0 alliances can't into PVP, Rote Kapelle are still faggots, EvE is a bad game - don't play it, the only good & fair pvp content is on the test server, Poitot is the only named system in Syndicate.
 
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