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I'm not sure why you're getting defensive, if you don't think that way then you don't have to defend yourself about this.

But now that you've brought it up, I think you should consider that your view still sends most of the world's population to hell (assuming you also believe in hell, some don't). By adding other christians to the list, you've just increased the percentage that is saved from a small minority to a larger minority. That's not exactly a happy model from where I stand.

See, this is what I'm getting it. The trinity is not shared by all Christians, it is a doctrine that came around in the few hundred years after Jesus died and faced hundreds years more of resistance. Lots of current sects don't accept it. It doesn't make sense for an outsider to say that you have to believe in the trinity to be a "real christian".

I can't give a straight answer about how they have to see Jesus (it would require a very long and not useful discussion), but he definitely has to be central to their view. If he's just a footnote then I wouldn't call them a christian. Also, they're straight up lying about it then of course they don't count. Same if they try to bastardize the definition to some ridiculous level like "a christian is someone who thinks the sky is blue. I think the sky is blue, therefore I'm a christian". These extreme cases aren't really what we're talking about though.

I think this is reasonable, but Christian-adjacent still holds a lot of practical relevance to understanding Christianity and the world.
To say that the Trinity is not accepted by lots of sects isn't an opinion, its literally incorrect. To quote Wikipedia "In terms of number of adherents, nontrinitarian denominations comprise a small minority of modern Christians. The largest nontrinitarian Christian denominations are The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints", and the LDS are like 16 million. Its not common doctrine to be non trinitarian, whether or not you want to argue its correctness or not.
 
To say that the Trinity is not accepted by lots of sects isn't an opinion, its literally incorrect. To quote Wikipedia "In terms of number of adherents, nontrinitarian denominations comprise a small minority of modern Christians. The largest nontrinitarian Christian denominations are The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints", and the LDS are like 16 million. Its not common doctrine to be non trinitarian, whether or not you want to argue its correctness or not.
It's also been a heresy for nearly 2,000 years to argue against the Trinity. Nobody can claim Trinitarianism is debatable when the Arian Heresy was beaten (the Orthodox believe literally beaten, like with fists) at Nicaea.
 
To say that the Trinity is not accepted by lots of sects isn't an opinion, its literally incorrect. To quote Wikipedia "In terms of number of adherents, nontrinitarian denominations comprise a small minority of modern Christians. The largest nontrinitarian Christian denominations are The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints", and the LDS are like 16 million. Its not common doctrine to be non trinitarian, whether or not you want to argue its correctness or not.
The fact that it's the minority view doesn't mean it's irrelevant. Why would it? 16 million is quite a lot, anyway. I meet Mormons IRL relatively often.
It's also been a heresy for nearly 2,000 years to argue against the Trinity. Nobody can claim Trinitarianism is debatable when the Arian Heresy was beaten (the Orthodox believe literally beaten, like with fists) at Nicaea.
What do you even mean by this? It's settled and the fact that people disagree with it "doesn't count" even in an analytical sense because a vote was held and the Catholic church decided to oppress the followers of Arius? I'm kind of amazed someone (here, of all places) would try to make this argument.
 
The fact that it's the minority view doesn't mean it's irrelevant. Why would it? 16 million is quite a lot, anyway. I meet Mormons IRL relatively often.
Mormons don't even believe in monotheism. They think that when they die they go to outer space where a planet is created for them to reign as a "lower-case g" god. You have to be severely mentally handicapped to call that Christianity.
 
The fact that it's the minority view doesn't mean it's irrelevant. Why would it? 16 million is quite a lot, anyway. I meet Mormons IRL relatively often.
16 million may be a lot but when compared to the over 2 billion Christians that follow Trinitarian doctrine, it ain't jack. Also, just you yourself meet Mormons often doesn't mean its true for everybody.
What do you even mean by this? It's settled and the fact that people disagree with it "doesn't count" even in an analytical sense because a vote was held and the Catholic church decided to oppress the followers of Arius? I'm kind of amazed someone (here, of all places) would try to make this argument.
Trinitarianism was already well-established by the time of the Council of Nicea. Heck, the Bible makes mentions of the 3 persons of the Trinity many times. See Matthew 3:16 and 28:19, John 14:26, Galatians 4:6, and 2 Cornithians 13:14 for a few examples. Even if it doesn't explicitly state the Trinity, it can be inferred that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are connected.

Religious rant over.

Mormons don't even believe in monotheism. They think that when they die they go to outer space where a planet is created for them to reign as a "lower-case g" god. You have to be severely mentally handicapped to call that Christianity.
Here's what I sometimes think of that:
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Mormons don't even believe in monotheism. They think that when they die they go to outer space where a planet is created for them to reign as a "lower-case g" god. You have to be severely mentally handicapped to call that Christianity.
In fairness you have to be pretty retarded to be a Christian so those Mormons fit right in.
 
I remember when all this was green fields of dunking on euphorics.



Is this where you hid after getting chased from the comicsgate topic?

It's gone full circle.

Like I said before, as someone who struggles with faith (I am an atheist who just doesn't have the heart to believe in god(s)), I have seen the best and worst of both camps.

I have seen shitty atheists and religious people; I have seen the kindest and saintly devout and secular, too.

Point blank: I don't think being religious (or lack thereof) makes you a more morally upstanding person. I honestly think religion does little make a person more moral, just as think being an atheist doesn't makes a person more intelligent.
 
The source of man's unhappiness is his ignorance of Nature. The pertinacity with which he clings to blind opinions imbibed in his infancy, which interweave themselves with his existence, the consequent prejudice that warps his mind, that prevents its expansion, that renders him the slave of fiction, appears to doom him to continual error.

- Paul Henri Thiery (Baron D'Holbach) in "The System of Nature"

Early "euphoric" atheism, 1770 style?
 
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If Jesus were against the death penalty, why didn't he save the two men who were crucified with Him?

False teachers, as both Peter and Paul have warned, will always be with us. In the early 21st century they take the form of "Liberal Christians" who denounce the Bible and traditional teachings as "bigoted", "marginalizing", "oppressive", "unchristian" and whatsnot. Do not give in to their sophistry, but be aware that if you denouce evil practices, not out of a position of dogma or indignation, but out of the love of your fellow men, then God will grant you strength and eloquence.
 
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Point blank: I don't think being religious (or lack thereof) makes you a more morally upstanding person. I honestly think religion does little make a person more moral, just as think being an atheist doesn't makes a person more intelligent.
It's just veneers for most people. As the joke goes, you need to bring two Baptists with you on your fishing trip 'cause if you bring one he'll just drink all your beer.

Truly devout people are vanishingly rare these days, which is a thing that the euphoric atheists don't seem to understand.
 
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Again, this sounds like a thing that totally happened. It's a real concern that having two people spend time alone together can lead to naughty things, but most Christians do not order complete segregation of the sexes.
I never heard of this. How would a family function if males and females weren't allowed together? Closest thing I know is when parents/grandparents make you sleep in separate beds, both married and unmarried couples. He must have been raised around weirdo fundies.
The short answer is to look at a lot of the ultra-patriarchal societies in the developing world, where the young women are often sent to live separate from the men until marriage agreements are made, and then spend most of their time stuck in the house away from the husband and his guests. That is to say, this doesn't work particularly well when the only time men and women really spend time together is during fornication.
 
God, this thread needs a Plagued tag. This is beyond autism and cancer, and has now manifested into pure AIDS.
 
If Jesus were against the death penalty, why didn't he save the two men who were crucified with Him?

False teachers, as both Peter and Paul have warned, will always be with us. In the early 21st century they take the form of "Liberal Christians" who denounce the Bible and traditional teachings as "bigoted", "marginalizing", "oppressive", "unchristian" and whatsnot. Do not give in to their sophistry, but be aware that if you denouce evil practices, not out of a position of dogma or indignation, but out of the love of your fellow men, then God will grant you strength.
From a certain point of view, he saved one of the thieves.
"And one of those robbers who were hanged, blasphemed him, saying: If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. But the other answering, rebuked him, saying: Neither dost thou fear God, seeing thou art condemned under the same condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this man hath done no evil. And he said to Jesus: Lord, remember me when thou shalt come into thy kingdom. And Jesus said to him: Amen I say to thee, this day thou shalt be with me in paradise." Luke 23:39-43 Douay Rheims Bible

Also, what do y'all think of Satanists? Like the Church of Satan/Satanic Temple kind?
 
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