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Elon vs Donald, who will be triumphant?

  • Elon Musk

    Votes: 35 2.6%

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 344 25.1%

  • Us, and the friends we made along the way

    Votes: 993 72.4%
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Quantum computing is not real, and even if it were, that's a completely useless technology. Techbros are just hyping the next scam to syphon trillions out of retarded investors. You know, now that both crypto and AI are dead and buried, they need the next con.
 
Norman B. Normal said:
Birds bursting into flame in flight is funny, though.
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Pedant’s note: flat panel solar collectors do not cause birds to burst into flames, you’re thinking of the solar concentrator type power plants you see in the desert in California. Solar City has nothing to do with those.

I’m glad Null has joined us in mocking Cringelord69 though!
 
Raging Capybara said:
Quantum computing is not real, and even if it were, that's a completely useless technology. Techbros are just hyping the next scam to syphon trillions out of retarded investors. You know, now that both crypto and AI are dead and buried, they need the next con.
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People keep saying this but crypto just recently reached new ATH and I still use it to pay all of our bills. I'm also using AI literally right now to fix problems with the site.

Null said:
I have edited our referral system to fix an issue where an invitation code was needed (even if it were gibberish) to change user fields while in invite-only mode. If you still have trouble editing your profile let me know.
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They said the same thing about the "big data" "bubble" from years ago. Before cryptocurrency and LLMs, there was a hype about BIG DATA and every CEO of every company had to talk about how they were going to utilize BIG DATA because it was VERY important they utilized BIG DATA. Investors and companies weren't really sure what it was but they definitely wanted in on it (because they're cool and hip and know about the buzzwords).

All big datas was was recording every single thing ever possible and paying Amazon shitzillion dollars a year to store it all on the cloud. Guess what? Big Data came and never passed. All services now record every single thing you do and store it on a cloud service for data harvesting.

Enter 2025, our year of Machine Lord, and suddenly all that BIG DATA has a purpose. Robots are now shifting thing every single thing you did in the last 15 years that had been precociously stored without any clear purpose, but now which very much does have a purpose: to SELL YOU cheap SHIT made in CHINA by DEAD AMERICAN COMPANIES now led under stolen identities by INDIAN CEOs.

These fads are fads in terms of marketing, press releases, investor reports, and so on, but they are definitely not fads in terms of the technology. There's still big data, crypto is as relevant as it ever was in the tech circles (almost every service bill I pay for KF is in crypto, I can donate to my fucking foodbank with crypto), and AI is not SmarterChild or Sophia the Robot: it solves problems, and it solves them better and faster than the average jeet can.

People are right to be critical of these tech trends but don't lull yourself into a stupor by pretending they're simply bubbles that came and went. They never did. Green line goes up. It never went down, ever.
 
Raging Capybara said:
Quantum computing is not real, and even if it were, that's a completely useless technology. Techbros are just hyping the next scam to syphon trillions out of retarded investors. You know, now that both crypto and AI are dead and buried, they need the next con.
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It has uses for sure, but it's also pretty limited. It's good for encryption, breaking encryption and solving NP problems faster but that's about it. It's not like it's going to make normal computing faster or anything other than in those specific cases.

NP problems are, generally, where you can validate a solution fast but not come up with the solution using anything faster than a polynomial number of steps with regards to the size of the input. For example, finding if a certain item is in a list is polynomial, because as the size of the list goes up, the same number of steps to solve it goes up. So in this case it would be the polynomial = 1, so the complexity would be O(n). For sorting a list, it would be n * log n or n squared, depending on the algorithm so it would be O(n * log(n)) or O(n^2). However, NP problems are where coming up with the solution is difficult but validating it is easy. For example, given a list of numbers, is there a subset where the list of numbers is equal to 0. The only way to really guarantee coming up with a solution is trial and error, so it's O(2^n), which is horribly inefficient. However, validating it is easy since you just simply add the numbers up.

Quantum computing is able to solve these problems very fast, in theory. I don't know quantum physics but I know it's related to that. Encryption uses prime factors, which falls under NP, so it'd enable breaking of our current encryption methods. There's also a way you could make unbreakable encryption with it but again, I suck at quantum physics so I don't know how it works.

There are other legitimate use cases for solving NP problems, like optimizing routes for shipping/travel/etc and even DNA sequencing which could be used to cure diseases. There's also cases where certain NP problems can be reduced to each other, so if you solve one, you solved all of those.

Then there's the whole question where if NP problems are solvable in polynomial time, which is probably not the case but it's not been proven one way or another yet and probably won't be anytime soon. If they are, then bye bye encryption if we actually come up with the algorithm to do it

I'm a huge theoretical computer science nerd if you couldn't tell
 
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Null said:
i really despise how transparent his shilling is btw, like on a genuine visceral level

i own le solar energy company so how about we wrap the entire earth in SolarCity ™️ solar panels?

nuclear???? ummmmm ever heard of CHERNOBYL? all my based SolarCIty ™️ solar panels do litter lead and cadmium throughout vast swathes of land and incinerate birds
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Learn from the master and start pitching to politicians and others that kiwifarms is actually the solution to all their problems and if they give you millions of dollars you can fix the Internet by turning it into one giant gossip forum.
 
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
It has uses for sure, but it's also pretty limited. It's good for encryption, breaking encryption and solving NP problems faster but that's about it. It's not like it's going to make normal computing faster or anything other than in those specific cases.

NP problems are, generally, where you can validate a solution fast but not come up with the solution using anything faster than a polynomial number of steps with regards to the size of the input. For example, finding if a certain item is in a list is polynomial, because as the size of the list goes up, the same number of steps to solve it goes up. So in this case it would be the polynomial = 1, so the complexity would be O(n). For sorting a list, it would be n * log n or n squared, depending on the algorithm so it would be O(n * log(n)) or O(n^2). However, NP problems are where coming up with the solution is difficult but validating it is easy. For example, given a list of numbers, is there a subset where the list of numbers is equal to 0. The only way to really guarantee coming up with a solution is trial and error, so it's O(2^n), which is horribly inefficient. However, validating it is easy since you just simply add the numbers up.

Quantum computing is able to solve these problems very fast, in theory. I don't know quantum physics but I know it's related to that. Encryption uses prime factors, which falls under NP, so it'd enable breaking of our current encryption methods. There's also a way you could make unbreakable encryption with it but again, I suck at quantum physics so I don't know how it works.
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I keep reading that it’s about to break crypto currencies *and all electronic banking* permanently though. That would definitely cause some change.
 
Oxyjen said:
I keep reading that it’s about to break crypto currencies *and all electronic banking* permanently though. That would definitely cause some change.
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Oh absolutely. They're a ways off with it though. Encryption uses absolutely gigantic numbers (like 500-1000 digits), which is about 100,000 times more than we can currently do with the best quantum computers.
 
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
Oh absolutely. They're a ways off with it though. Encryption uses absolutely gigantic numbers (like 500-1000 digits), which is about 100,000 times more than we can currently do with the best quantum computers.
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That's not how it works. The 'Advanced Encryption Standard' is AES-256, which means 256 bits. This is 2^256, or 10^77. For comparison, the number of atoms in observable space is between 10^78 to 10^82.

What we talk about when we talk about quantum computing is a computer which operates under ternary and 'trits' (3-base numbers) instead of binary and 'bits' (2-base numbers). The idea is that the 'qubit' (the value 2 instead of 0 or 1 in binary) exists, and it has something to do with quantum entanglement, which I do not understand.

All modern encryption relies on probablistic security. There is a question and an answer. The question's answer is a specific number somewhere between 0 and 2^256-1. The malicious user, in order to impersonate the legitimate user, would need to guess this number. If you took all the computers in the world and had them each guess different answers as fast as possible (assuming they'd never even guess the same answer twice), it would still take millions of years to have a 50% chance of breaking AES-256.

There is something called Shor's Algorithm. I do not understand it either, but it postulates that with qubits it is possible to deduce the answer to "What number between 0 and 2^256-1 am I thinking of?" in hours or minutes using only a single quantum computer. This breaks encryption, makes all applications vulnerable (encryption is AES-256), all computer systems wide open (logging into a server is just a similar AES-256 question), and all bitcoin wallets crackable (Bitcoin private keys are basically just AES-256).

The scary thing is that this all moves very quickly. Yes, modern quantum computers are not production ready. But do you remember these things? The original image generators that came out and generated these weird nightmares that vaguely resembled your input?

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It was only a year after that we had AI generators become available to everyone and the nightmare of waifuslop hit the Internet and took over /g/. Then after that Bing 'revolutionized' search with Copilot, AI-assisted search. Google had to catch up with that and now we have Gemini. This all happened in 3 years.

Now, with Grok's Imagine, I cannot stress how computationally intensive those prompts are and how incredible it is that they are rendered so quickly. For even a top of the line GPU, taking an image and a prompt and making a 720p video is about 5 minutes. The output from it is under a minute and it's handling thousands of these requests. That means they have an entire warehouse of GPUs that are working around the clock with decentralized computation allowing them to output videos near instantly. There are very few hobbyists who can even shake a stick at this power.

And what's scary is that when this all dropped and OpenAI models were becoming open source, it was possible to load it up on your old GPU and generate stuff. You can't do that anymore. The newest eleventy-trillion data point models are so big that without multiple top of the line GPUs with hundreds of gigabytes of DDR6 VRAM (!!!) you can't even load the models. Only Elon can do that. Through sheer scope, the masters of tech have wrested control of their systems back. Open source LLMs are a fucking joke compared to Gemini, Copilot, and Grok. The little guy lost again.

Bet that quantum computing is coming and bet it will come faster than you can fucking imagine and bet it will fuck everything up. Once AES-256 is cracked and BTC is threatened, guess what will happen? They will centralize. The newest standard encryption will require quantum computers to deploy. To even run a website on the Internet you'll need AI monintoring activity to defeat AI crawlers, in an arms-race that will push out everyone except the biggest and most well-funded websites. Everyone else will fold. Bow to your new gods, who are brown and smell like curry. Except Elon, he's white and smells like cum.
 
Null said:
Once AES-256 is cracked and BTC is threatened, guess what will happen? They will centralize. The newest standard encryption will require quantum computers to deploy.
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Is there a problem with implementing ML-DSA or such?
 
Null said:
Our nuclear weapon launch codes were stored on 5.25" floppy disks until June 2019.
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I didn't even know that kiwifarms has nuclear weapons.
It's good that you changed it. Keeping them on floppies probably would probably protect them from normal people, but many trannies are into retro-tech.
 
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