💼 Careercow Elon Reeve Musk - Tesla, SpaceX and Twitter owner + ex-paypal CEO. Manchild, sexual deviant, spergy autist with access to space travel

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Elon vs Donald, who will be triumphant?

  • Elon Musk

    Votes: 35 2.6%
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Are the windows really that fucking strong that no one thought to smash them the fuck in? What, do Teslas come out of the factory with bulletproof 2 inch glass or something?

And yeah, EVs are a meme. Batteries are fucking dangerous.
 
Tesla doors are electronically operated unlike the typical mechanical door lock found in 99% of cars

Whoever made the decision to give these cars ELECTRONIC DOORS need to actually be put in prison for the amount of people it has killed.

The oldest car I'm aware of with electrically actuated door catches is the DeLorean and they were notorious for locking people in cos the alternator was underspecced so they often had a flat battery. The first death by electrically actuated door catch that I'm aware of is an old guy and his dog roasting in a 2007 Corvette after the battery cable fell off. That model of Corvette was also equipped with a cryptic manual door release. Another guy was luckier. The meme is slowly spreading among car manufacturers, both EV and ICE.

I'm firmly with China on this point. You should be able to operate a car door lock without anything else being connected to the door (e.g. electricity) and you should not need to use a secret handle to be able to do that.


I mean a couple points are in order for having a way to easily escape if you're trapped in the trunk but maybe if you're such a goddamn retard you end up trapped in the trunk, you actually deserve to die.
I'm pretty sure that the trunk escape handle requirement was the result of a safety panic from kids shutting themselves in trunks and people being kidnapped. It's a US-only thing AFAIK.
 
C) What fucking first responder doesnt have a way to bust a window?
It's not that we can't bust the window. It's that usually by then the EVs went up to 5000C flames which we can't put out because lmao Lithium + oxygen =easy fire. Guess what Lion mean for batteries (Lithium ion)? The sodium salt batteries are safer (at least theoretically) but I'm going to go for rainbows on that one for an EV at highway speeds

The bigger issue is in a typical highway MVA (so not a fender bender), post-collision it takes a person about 1-2 minutes on average to recover from being concussed, and to extract themselves from a vehicle that isn't stuck. The NFPA/NSHTA rating for vehicle in a crash was 3 minutes until ignition (assuming your battery didn't spark with a major fuel leak)

For the average EV that time to HOT HOT HOT is 30 seconds... The second that lithium cell gets punctured it's game over. Most people will not be able to recover from a minor concussion pull the voodoo latch and extricate themselves.
 
Why oh why did anybody fucking think that an electronic door was a great idea. You might as well just be honest and tell people it's a mobile coffin at this point if there's no quick way to even get yourself out in case of a fire or an accident.
 
Are the windows really that fucking strong
Yeah. Even regular car windows are. I got a couple of the hammer things and keep them front and back in our (non EV) car. You aren’t breaking a window from inside a car with your bare hands or a shoe and most people don’t know you can use the seat belt buckle things (no idea if that even works tbh.)
 
Whoever made the decision to give these cars ELECTRONIC DOORS needs to actually be put in prison for the amount of people it has killed. What a monumentally stupid decision. It had to be an Indian.
It isn't neccessarily poojeets. It's the same people that try and sell bluetooth waterbottles or the Juicero. It's techbros trying to make the next big consumer product for upper middle class people.

Some family members of mine have a tesla and it's truly baffling how many steps back it is for the sake of minamilism. Everything requires eyes off the road to operate the touchscreen. Even angling the AC vents or changing the radio station. Oh, and if that one screen breaks? Car's not working pal. And the dashboard isn't even above the steering wheel, it's on the fucking screen so it's another excuse to not fucking look where you are going.

So why do this? Because it's cheaper and you can call it visionary. A single touch screen is cheaper to manufacture than a whole console of knobs, buttons & switches. Or a mechanical door system. But I doubt they'll save more than the lawsuits.

This might be another rare EU win, if they start demanding that Teslas have basic safety features.
 
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Yeah. Even regular car windows are. I got a couple of the hammer things and keep them front and back in our (non EV) car. You aren’t breaking a window from inside

I have a two of those hammers in my Tesla. Overall I don’t think the risk is higher for the occupants, you’re still a lot more likely to experience a gasoline fire if you crash one of those, or just at random.
But the door handle thing is and always has been completely retarded, and that’s how you know Elon musk insisted on it.

And I would absolutely not drive one of the newer ones on account of what gamon just said, removing all the switches (even the fucking turn signals) is a deal breaker and should be for everyone.
 
It isn't neccessarily poojeets. It's the same people that try and sell bluetooth waterbottles or the Juicero. It's techbros trying to make the next big consumer product for upper middle class people.

Some family members of mine have a tesla and it's truly baffling how many steps back it is for the sake of minamilism. Everything requires eyes off the road to operate the touchscreen. Even angling the AC vents or changing the radio station. Oh, and if that one screen breaks? Car's not working pal. And the dashboard isn't even above the steering wheel, it's on the fucking screen so it's another excuse to not fucking look where you are going.

So why do this? Because it's cheaper and you can call it visionary. A single touch screen is cheaper to manufacture than a whole console of knobs, buttons & switches. Or a mechanical door system. But I doubt they'll save more than the lawsuits.

This might be another rare EU win, if they start demanding that Teslas have basic safety features.
Friendly reminder that the Oceangate implosion happened because the CEO thought seafaring engineering standards were stifling innovation, and had fired one of their lead engineers for fighting over it. Currently there is an experience gap where people don't realize there is a reason for things to be designed a certain way. To blame this purely on a race is disingenuous and masking the issue.
 
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Overall I don’t think the risk is higher for the occupants, you’re still a lot more likely to experience a gasoline fire if you crash one of those, or just at random.
But if you have a crash which punctures the gas tank, in the very worst possible scenario, it will be burning under the rear passenger seat, which will be made of materials that are flame retardant very effectively against gas fires (but not LiON bombs). Probably the fire will be happening in gas which has dripped onto the ground, so it won't be anywhere near direct contact.

In a normal human car, even if the passengers are in the rear passenger seat, they can just:
  1. open the door from the inside
  2. jump out (possibly getting lightly singed)
Or, they can crawl through the front and open the door and be completely unharmed.

In a Tesla, the flames are going to be coming through every door entrance, many of which you may not be able to open in time, and then through the floor/seats.
To blame this purely on a race is disingenuous and masking the issue.
Maybe, but have you heard of the concept of the iron ring ceremony, pioneered in Canada, and based on Kipling's 'Ritual of the Calling of an Engineer'?

Basically every Anglosphere country has adopted something similar (often with stainless steel because iron sux lol), as a pseudo-spiritual ritual for graduate engineers to make a commitment that they will always bake in a safety factor and try to make sure that people walking across their bridge don't fall down and drown because they were pushed to cut costs by their bosses.

This is a VERY GOOD thing, because it means that even the most atheistic, profit-focused engineer still feels an obligation to not be proven to be bad at estimating failures, because even if he still came out ahead monetarily, it would make him look like a loser bitch and a lesser engineer than his fellows who might have built less impressive structures- but whose structures didn't fall down. See, for example, the late, legendary, William LeMessurier, and his intervention to correct the Citicorp Center, despite the fact that it might well have stood up just fine at least until his death this century but would have made him look bad afterwards if it had fallen down.

India will adopt similar English customs all day... but a commitment to being competent, decent, and safe? FUCK NO. The equivalent for an Indian engineer is when they cause their first mass casualty event and shrug because the victims were probably dalits.
 
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In a Tesla, the flames are going to be coming through every door entrance, many of which you may not be able to open in time, and then through the floor/seats.
Nope, I get where you’re coming from, but a lithium ion battery is not a “bomb”. Even with a severely crash damaged battery, the fire progression is almost always slow, compared to a ruptured gas tank on fire.
Source: am battery engineer. I’ve studied many a device and car fire video. Even spoken to firemen about it. I’m not overly worried. For sure, putting the fire out is more of a problem, so if you’re trapped and it’s burning you’re fucked, but you usually are anyway in that scenario (hence: the hammers).

Let’s get back to the musk detraction!
 
The play-by-play of how billionaire Angela Chao died because she couldn’t get out of her Tesla and first responders couldn’t break the windows either has stayed with me for months because it’s so horrific.
I don’t get how more regulations haven’t been put on Tesla. Far more has been done for far less in the past. But I guess a few deaths are worth protecting the ego of Elon.
 
Act of God. And by that, I don't mean some exception clause so insurance doesn't have to pay out, I mean it is God showing us how it's done.
It’s funny because I had this conversation with someone recently about how the sinking of the Titanic was such a clear act of god in the face of man’s hubris: build a massive ship you tout as unsinkable and then it sinks and takes with it several of the wealthiest men in the world.

Only difference is after Titanic they made massive changes to maritime law and added regulations so this couldn’t happen again. Elon has his own Titanic killing billionaires and below and he thinks he deserves a trillion dollar pay out.
 
The play-by-play of how billionaire Angela Chao died because she couldn’t get out of her Tesla and first responders couldn’t break the windows either has stayed with me for months because it’s so horrific.
In no way am I an Elon defender but people can drown like that in any car. You need to have a window breaker and you need to say calm and use it.
 
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