Elliot Page / Ellen Page - Former actress, starred in Juno. Turned into a pooner and divorced her wife because being a lesbian was not boosting her career anymore. Receives a daily dose of asspatting from Hollywood. Likes to show off her "male" body using fake abdominals.

[Dr. Butt]

I don't even know what the deal is. Women in my family are really tiny and they just deal with it. Pooners are just insane.

There is a distinct lack of pooning in the fashion world. There are women who've been working since age 13 or 14, 120lbs is the largest number that exists, and people get hella molested but it's still a good time don't let that discourage you from your clothes-making dreams.
I think @Otterly 's figured it out, discord-era short women have a real fucking complex that doesn't make sense to people who regularly leave the house and consume entertainment that isn't in scrolling form.

 

[Barbie]

I know people speculate reasons as to why Ellen pooned out but I genuinely think it's because of the film Super. In that film she plays an annoying sex pest whos' body is extremely objectified, she rapes Dwight from the office, then gets killed in the last minutes. Genuinely awful movie. I think anyone who was casted as Libby was destined to poon out.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

I don't even know what the deal is. Women in my family are really tiny and they just deal with it. Pooners are just insane.

Agree. I'm from a line of very small/ short women (my grandmothers never once even brushed the 5' mark), and I've never once felt powerless nor more particularly vulnerable because of it. Nor did any of my elders. And I don't mean not being cognizant of surroundings - I mean not being ruled by fear or constantly conscious of one's physical size or appearance.

I wonder if the talk about this (online especially) is autistic confusion of literality vs expression, or at least inability to contextualize concepts and understand greys.

But I honestly think it's mainly it's the internet, which has given an outsized/ disproportionate voice to obsessive weirdos + is highly addicting so even marginal cases (the ones who in prior eras might have had their goth or rebel phase or wept a lot or were mad a lot but eventually got hold of their individual - not group - identity) get caught up in easy, constant, lazy, weakness-reinforcing thought.

 

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I remain convinced that pooning is what happens when autism, a feeling of confusion and lack of safety, and porn/grooming meet.

Thinking back on it and what stands out first with pooners. I think it's not the size, it's not that they are lesbians.

It's that they reek of insecurity. The play pretend is over the top, and they get uncomfortable when in presence of actual males because they realize how out of place it is. When you are something, you don't need to oversell it, you don't think about it. They suddenly don't know how to act anymore, feel judged (maybe with reasons).

I think earlier in the thread, there is an example of Ellen complaining about how weird and uncomfortable it was for her to be with a cast of all cis males. This just goes to show how much of man she really is when the company of peers makes her uncomfortable.

On the other hand, lesbians who have a dominant (sometimes masculin) personality are much more assertive and confortable with themselves. They scare me a lot more than a girl dressed up to look like a guy. They're not confused about where they sit and it makes a world of a difference.

I only ever encountered two pooners in the wild with which I had interaction (both of them barmaids) so I might be biased. One of them was actually kind of shocked when addressed as a woman. We just thought she was really into hip hop with her baggy clothes, it had not even crossed our mind she was supposed to be a man. Must have hurt.

My harmchair psycho analysis on this is that they're just very insecure and confused indeed. I do believe the theory that a large part may have been abused in the past and are trying to gain back some form of control. But that just reinforces how much they are just broken individuals trying to live a life they were never meant to. Even if they wanted to, they could never be that confident in her skin lesbian who just hangs with the guys and don't overthink everything. It's just cope.

Autism, I don't know.

 

[Otterly]

My harmchair psycho analysis on this is that they're just very insecure and confused indeed.

I think they do t actually want to be men, they just don’t want to be women. And that again is an autism thing - when you’re not fitting I to that box of what a woman ‘should’ be you either shrug and realise you can a woman however you like, or you’re autistic and think it means that you’re not a woman on some level.
Being so small again is not being a proper woman - the women guys go for are taller, more elegant, prettier etc and instead of just thinking ‘well, I’m a bit ugly’ they again think ‘it means I’m not actually a woman.’ What a regular person experiences as a kind of sadness and social alienation they name : dysphoria. And then they go looking online and there’s a whole ecosystem of preying on them and directing the delusion to pooning

It’s a category error, and the way it manifests is influenced by the society around it. In an earlier time Ellen would have been an anchorite, or a starving holy maiden or a mystic or a penitent, in the 90a she’s have been anorexic and in 2026 she’s a pooner. Same delusion, same unhappiness, different manifestation.

 

[Unredacted TND]

Thank God she's not Achilles. Achilles is by far my favorite character in Illiad and i don't want him to be played a dood.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

And here is a perfect illustration fresh off the press of what we are discussing, with added autism:

These pooners clearly didn't have a dad or even brothers around to smack them with the belt as soon as they got too out of line.

 

[Unredacted TND]

At least 30% of all actors not submitted for Oscar consideration are from at least two underrepresented groups

Couldn't he just make Achilles/Patroclus a bit more explicit, sticked a swartoid looking Greek to the crew and called it a day? I just thought for a few seconds and came up with a way to stay loyal to the story while also meeting the requirements.

 

[Stan]

Let's be real, "Ellen Page is going to play Achilles" is just obvious clickbait BS seeded by Hollywood to get people talking about the movie because they know this is the only way they remain relevant. Mark my words, she will be playing the twink Patroclus.

Disagree but only because I am pretty sure Patroclus does not appear in The Odyssey

I don't even know what the deal is. Women in my family are really tiny and they just deal with it. Pooners are just insane.

I’ve got enough extremely tall people on one side of the family to know that being really tall is at least as inconvenient because you’re always like Gandalf trying not to smack your head on the doorways in Bag End

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

I have a theory about being a small woman, and that it’s that men generally don’t find us attractive but that a large subset of perverts do. To be brutal about it, Page looked like a child until she was in her thirties and she would have attracted a lot of unsavoury attention. Men on the whole though do not seem to find very small women attractive

I've never once heard a dude say "she's too short for me to find attractive". Other than like actual dwarfism (which is a whole other thing), I don't think partner height is anywhere near as relevant to men as it is to women.

 

[Epic Fail Man]

hen gets killed in the last minutes. Genuinely awful movie.

FUCKING SPOILERS DUDE. I haven't watched the movie yet.

 

[AirMail]

I know people speculate reasons as to why Ellen pooned out but I genuinely think it's because of the film Super. In that film she plays an annoying sex pest whos' body is extremely objectified, she rapes Dwight from the office, then gets killed in the last minutes. Genuinely awful movie. I think anyone who was casted as Libby was destined to poon out.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=tVl78xgPyow:15

Once again, women not responsible for their own actions.

 

[Gaystapo]

I've never once heard a dude say "she's too short for me to find attractive". Other than like actual dwarfism (which is a whole other thing), I don't think partner height is anywhere near as relevant to men as it is to women.

Maybe not "too short", but I have heard men say "I wouldn't date a woman taller than me" since they feel like it emasculates them. And I've heard very tall women say that it affects their dating lives a little bit. Kind of retarded mindset in my opinion. If you're short, and you marry a tall woman, then your kids have more of a chance of being tall. But generally yes, women care more about it than men.

 

[Thunderous Lightning]

Me: "Computer, take this image of a woman, give her long beautiful hair, some makeup and a dress"

.............. ........... ............... ...........
>Your image is complete

Me: "Great job computer.
Now cure her of her mental illnesses "
........ ...... ........... .......... .........
>ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR
>Sorry, I can't do that Dave
Me: . . . . "Shit"

 

[Strangolapreti]

>Your image is complete

She still look like a woman, hormone treatment did nothing but disfigure her face via forcibly aging its lower half by a couple decades at minimum.

 

[Snack Cracker]

Maybe not "too short", but I have heard men say "I wouldn't date a woman taller than me" since they feel like it emasculates them. And I've heard very tall women say that it affects their dating lives a little bit. Kind of retarded mindset in my opinion. If you're short, and you marry a tall woman, then your kids have more of a chance of being tall. But generally yes, women care more about it than men.

Hearing men say “no offense but I could never date someone taller than me” is common, not as common once people become adults, but it definitely exists as a social construct because like you said, men feel emasculated or like they can’t be the protector because a woman is taller?
Also applies to men that don’t like when a woman they date wears heels if the heels make the woman taller than them, or asks that a woman not wear heels when they’re with them.

The guys who have no problem dating women taller than them, those are the ones who feel secure in their masculinity and something as simple as a partner being taller than them doesn’t affect how they feel in a partner role.
Short kings that date taller women are the keepers.

 

[Kitty kitty cat]

I honestly couldnt give a shit what made Ellen poon out. I doubt even she knows. What I do mind, is her lowkey grooming young adults and children. From that clip offering her support and contact to a troubled teen(its somewhere in this thread) to that gay fish "documentary" validating the lgbtq agenda. She is validating that shit. No doubt shes been poorly treated but she could have spent some money on a good therapist instead.
I bet, she even uses the influence she has to be a sexpest towards women, just like your average transwoman does. Nothing kills a career in Hollywood like a rumor of racism, homophobia, transphobia etc.

 

[Unredacted TND]

like your average transwoman does

World's first passing tranny.