Law Ealing Council approves Abortion protest ban - Good?

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41577129

So a council in London just basically told pro-life activists to get the fuck away from an abortion clinic in the Ealing borough and stop harassing patients who want to get in. I'm also hearing rumblings that this could be rolled out nationwide (probably excepting Norn Iron though).
 
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Good. Tell them to redirect their concerns to poverty stricken children that they don't care about. For pro-lifers their concern ends in the womb anyway.
 
Dysnomia said:
Good. Tell them to redirect their concerns to poverty stricken children that they don't care about. For pro-lifers their concern ends in the womb anyway.
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From a pro-life point of view abortion is literally murder, so the idea that they might be more concerned with preventing someone from openly operating a murder clinic in their city before they worry about poverty isn't too out there.
 
Were the protesters being particularly disruptive? Seems quite inappropriate to shut down a protest if your reason is you don't like what they have to say, defeats the purpose of protest really.

If it's anything like the protests in my city, it's probably people standing around with vulgar signs, and getting jeered at by passersby. Tacky, but not harmful. The article didn't really go into depth about what they were actually doing to protest though, so maybe they were actually being a menace.
 
While I take no issue with abortion, I also think this twenty week limit in America is a fair compromise. I respect what pro abortion people say when they say they are afraid of the anti abortion crew getting an inch and taking a mile though. Which is actually what I have a problem with here. I think those people who hang around outside abortion clinics shaming people are disgusting and fuck them, but this is the slippery slope. Ok so abortion haters can't protest, can nazis? Can people who insist they aren't nazis despite the media all saying they are? Can Charles Murray protest? And while we're at it, can Charles Murray give a talk? Because it seems silly if we're banning protests and not banning things that deserve to be protested, as described by me and my friends. So now we're banning talks and yada yada yada, nineteen eighty-four.
 
Dysnomia said:
Good. Tell them to redirect their concerns to poverty stricken children that they don't care about. For pro-lifers their concern ends in the womb anyway.
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Tell 'em to block cemeteries if they're so pro-life.
 
Complex issue for me - I believe abortion is murder, yet I also believe that no one should stand outside a clinic and harass women, though I believe in peaceful/non-violent protest, as well.

Murder = wrong; bullying women at clinics = also wrong.

Would someone a lot more intelligent than I am please figure this out?
 
TwinkleSnort said:
Complex issue for me - I believe abortion is murder, yet I also believe that no one should stand outside a clinic and harass women, though I believe in peaceful/non-violent protest, as well.

Murder = wrong; bullying women at clinics = also wrong.

Would someone a lot more intelligent than I am please figure this out?
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I don't know either, I'm pro-choice (and in some cases, pro-abortion!) and my first thought is 'It's great that pro-lifers have been told to stop harassing women who want an abortion'. But I'm also a believer in freedom of expression and I'm wary of a slippery slope.
 
Splendid Meat Sticks said:
From a pro-life point of view abortion is literally murder, so the idea that they might be more concerned with preventing someone from openly operating a murder clinic in their city before they worry about poverty isn't too out there.
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If they really believed that, they'd be snackbaring them by the thousands. The fact is pretty much nobody believes a clump of cells the size of a pea is the moral equivalent of a baby. The few nuts who actually do who aren't absolute pussies actually go out and murder abortion doctors.

The rest are just full of fucking bullshit.

CWCissey said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41577129

So a council in London just basically told pro-life activists to get the fuck away from an abortion clinic in the Ealing borough and stop harassing patients who want to get in. I'm also hearing rumblings that this could be rolled out nationwide (probably excepting Norn Iron though).
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There's sometimes a court order like this here, but it isn't allowed to shut down the protest entirely. What they're not allowed to do is block people from entering, hurling objects at them, and doing other shit that would be illegal if you did it to, say, a used car dealership.

Sometimes they'll have something like a map with paths of entry and egress marked where the protesters aren't allowed to accost people, or just a 10 yard stay-away or some other distance. The distance generally can't be long enough that it completely prevents the protesters from communicating their message.
 
The abortion protesters I've seen in London tend to be ineffectual middle-aged busybodies who stand outside the clinics with signs and look sheepish.

TBH, I think anything that saves people from the horror of being born in Ealing should be considered a meritorious act.
 
AnOminous said:
There's sometimes a court order like this here, but it isn't allowed to shut down the protest entirely. What they're not allowed to do is block people from entering, hurling objects at them, and doing other shit that would be illegal if you did it to, say, a used car dealership.
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That's kind of what I assumed this was. The article doesn't spell it out very well and I don't know what the freedom of expression laws in the UK have to say about peaceful protests/gatherings in general.
 
TwinkleSnort said:
Complex issue for me - I believe abortion is murder, yet I also believe that no one should stand outside a clinic and harass women, though I believe in peaceful/non-violent protest, as well.

Murder = wrong; bullying women at clinics = also wrong.

Would someone a lot more intelligent than I am please figure this out?
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Maybe you just don't feel very strongly about murder? The protestors at my local PP never seem to be out when its raining, so I'm not sure how strongly they feel about it either.
 
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