Dragon Ball Thread - RIP Akira Toriyama

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Fougaro said:
The Android/Cell Arc was when the franchise reached its Alien Resurrection stage in spite of the fact that the Android/Cell arc could have and should have been the best arc of all Dragon Ball (even better than the Saiyan one) if handled more competently.
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Mostly agree. Though nothing will top finding panties and pichi pichi girls for Master Roshi in Dragon Ball.

Coming in at a close second is ChiChi's justification for marrying Goku.
 
Millhouse Nancy Metz said:
i would say its decline started on namek, I would say Dragon Ball balanced action, comedy, and drama best from the red ribbon arc to the sayiajin arc. super sayiajin ruined dragon ball. even more so then power levels exploding on namek.
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I wouldn't say Super sayian itself ruined dragon ball. It was adding stages beyond the first that ruined it from a power scaling perspective, because as soon as they did that power levels almost immediately lost their meaning to the point that they might as well have not existed.

Now giving people a scale of an antagonist's power is by showing us how many planets they can destroy with snap of their fingers.
 
Millhouse Nancy Metz said:
i would say its decline started on namek, I would say Dragon Ball balanced action, comedy, and drama best from the red ribbon arc to the sayiajin arc. super sayiajin ruined dragon ball. even more so then power levels exploding on namek.
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There absolutely no consistency of action, comedy and drama from Red Ribbon to Saiyan arc. Red Ribbon is the last arc where DB was a comedy/parody manga with little drama and basic action and King Piccolo/Piccolo is when the humor dropped to near 0, action became more elaborate and drama properly built. The only consistent periods in that regards is Arc 1 to Red Ribbon and King Piccolo to Namek/Cell.
 

So here's a fun idea. What's the general consensus we can gather from Vegeta's development as a whole? There are a lot of things I actually agree with here in the video posted, but I consider the spergery over evil deeds done by evil characters to be a bit screwy.

Personally, after Super got involved in the canon, I've come to appreciate Vegeta's character arc much more in OG Dragon Ball. His constant failures and losses made him an endearing character who needed a good redemption, and the mellowing out and humbling Whis forced him to undergo in Super feels exceptionally rewarding, paying off a story arc that fizzled out and died ages ago.

Then again, I also appreciate the worn, hardened Vegeta that GT gave us. It seems that the series after the original run had more interest in giving Vegeta's character an end point than Toriyama ever did.
 
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X-Shaped Weeaboo said:

So here's a fun idea. What's the general consensus we can gather from Vegeta's development as a whole? There are a lot of things I actually agree with here in the video posted, but I consider the spergery over evil deeds done by evil characters to be a bit screwy.

Personally, after Super got involved in the canon, I've come to appreciate Vegeta's character arc much more in OG Dragon Ball. His constant failures and losses made him an endearing character who needed a good redemption, and the mellowing out and humbling Whis forced him to undergo in Super feels exceptionally rewarding, paying off a story arc that fizzled out and died ages ago.

Then again, I also appreciate the worn, hardened Vegeta that GT gave us. It seems that the series after the original run had more interest in giving Vegeta's character an end point than Toriyama ever did.
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generally agree with misare on characters, but god is he a fag
 
X-Shaped Weeaboo said:

So here's a fun idea. What's the general consensus we can gather from Vegeta's development as a whole? There are a lot of things I actually agree with here in the video posted, but I consider the spergery over evil deeds done by evil characters to be a bit screwy.

Personally, after Super got involved in the canon, I've come to appreciate Vegeta's character arc much more in OG Dragon Ball. His constant failures and losses made him an endearing character who needed a good redemption, and the mellowing out and humbling Whis forced him to undergo in Super feels exceptionally rewarding, paying off a story arc that fizzled out and died ages ago.

Then again, I also appreciate the worn, hardened Vegeta that GT gave us. It seems that the series after the original run had more interest in giving Vegeta's character an end point than Toriyama ever did.
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I agree. Morover, he's a better father than Goku. I always thought that Goku's life is the kind of adult life a child would imagine. You have a wife, but having a wife means living together and eating together, and she sometimes nags at you, because you know how girls are, am I right? No mentions of love and feelings, because they're soppy and disgusting (and Toriyama said several times that he doesn't like romantic subplots). You have children, who you treat like they are your friends, not people under your responsibility, who have to be educated and protected (unless you teach them martial arts). You don't work because your wife's family is rich, and you spend your days doing what you like best, aka training and fighting and having adventures.
 
TungstenCarbide said:
I agree. Morover, he's a better father than Goku. I always thought that Goku's life is the kind of adult life a child would imagine. You have a wife, but having a wife means living together and eating together, and she sometimes nags at you, because you know how girls are, am I right? No mentions of love and feelings, because they're soppy and disgusting (and Toriyama said several times that he doesn't like romantic subplots). You have children, who you treat like they are your friends, not people under your responsibility, who have to be educated and protected (unless you teach them martial arts). You don't work because your wife's family is rich, and you spend your days doing what you like best, aka training and fighting and having adventures.
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they really don't need money, the sons are homesteaders, goku and chichi are both uneducated. goku honestly is not a bad father, he is just a caveman. it is disappointing that launch did not pop a little Shinhan out. I would like super if it took any of the turtle or crane school members seriously.
 
Just a little PSA that, for the moment, the english dub of Dragon Ball Super: Broly is available to watch in its entirety on youtube:

In case there's anyone out there who hasn't seen it yet but wants to. Might also want to use a youtube downloader site to download the movie, since it most likely will be taken down soon.
 
Sundae said:
Just a little PSA that, for the moment, the english dub of Dragon Ball Super: Broly is available to watch in its entirety on youtube:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=rPOmM34WwnM
In case there's anyone out there who hasn't seen it yet but wants to. Might also want to use a youtube downloader site to download the movie, since it most likely will be taken down soon.
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I fucking hated this film, we had hundreds of episodes of Goku slowly becoming stronger only for Broly to zoom past it in about an hour due to Saiyan magic. It doesn't help that eventually the big battle goes stale by how long it goes on.
 
Broly is a mutant, much like how king cold and his lineage are mutants of their race
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
I fucking hated this film, we had hundreds of episodes of Goku slowly becoming stronger only for Broly to zoom past it in about an hour due to Saiyan magic. It doesn't help that eventually the big battle goes stale by how long it goes on.
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It happened because there would not be a movie if it did not happen, I'm just glad to have a half decent plot in a dragon ball movie
 
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