Dragon Ball Thread - RIP Akira Toriyama

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Friendly Primarina said:
reading your post I can't agree that SSJ comes out of nowhere. Vegeta never shuts up about being a Super Saiyan and he repeatedly claims that either he or Goku has become one. IIRC the English dub of the episode where Goku actually transforms is literally called "Transformed at Last."
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only in namek, the literal arc it's introduced, and not even at its beginning but right before it is
it's an asspull
this is the equivalent of me setting up a scenario where the world is going to end, bringing up the idea of god in the last act, and then having god save the day at the end
something being foreshadowed, especially so half-assed, doesn't mean it's good

Gohan being the only one who could actually take Super Saiyan beyond its normal level was good because it was foreshadowed the entire series he's far stronger than anyone, even himself, was aware of until Goku figured it out. And then we all know what happened. I actually liked Super Saiyan 2 more than Super Saiyan because everyone seeking a level above it was introduced after they got their shit pushed in. That was the goal and something they were actually able to work towards. Goku got the closest to figuring out but Gohan was the one with the latent power.
 
God of Nothing said:
only in namek, the literal arc it's introduced, and not even at its beginning but right before it is
it's an asspull
this is the equivalent of me setting up a scenario where the world is going to end, bringing up the idea of god in the last act, and then having god save the day at the end
something being foreshadowed, especially so half-assed, doesn't mean it's good
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Vegeta mentions it when Goku first shows up on Namek. You still have the end of the Ginyu fight and the non-Goku Z-Fighters holding off Frieza and the start of Goku's fight with Frieza. YMMV, I guess.
God of Nothing said:
I actually liked Super Saiyan 2 more than Super Saiyan because everyone seeking a level above it was introduced after they got their shit pushed in. That was the goal and something they were actually able to work towards. Goku got the closest to figuring out but Gohan was the one with the latent power.
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This was good. It shows off Goku's creativity.
Vegeta: I'm gonna fuck myself up til I get stronger
Goku: What if someone went Super Saiyan while already being one?

Goku's mistake was revealing his plan to Gohan like this:
 
Friendly Primarina said:
Goku's mistake was revealing his plan to Gohan like this:
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In fairness to Goku, that was likely the only way it'd happen. Gohan going Super Saiyan, at least in the anime, wasn't something either planned. It happened through Gohan's own frustration, like how Vegeta was frustrated with himself.
 
I'm always conflicted.

I do like Cell because he's just a dickhead troll and the Majin Buu arc is kind of a throwback to early DB, but if the series ended at the end of the Freeza arc like it was rumored to I think it would of made DB even more legendary if that makes sense.

Freeza was built up as the ultimate bad guy by that point once Raditz showed up. Everyone else feels like trying to one up Freeza.
 
capitalBBustard said:
>story arc sets up twist in the arc
>"this wasn't set up 8 arcs ago, therefore it's and asspull"
no?
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Yes
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Lucas Silva #4903141 said:
The thing is that latin america had something of an anime boom prior to the 2000s. The latin american dubbing scene is muuuuch better than in the US, you have to realize they have pros that constantly do work dubbing hollywood movies and TV. Thus, much more experienced actors got to work on DBZ than say, Funimation's first dub of DBZ.

On top of that, Dr. Slump had also gotten a dub for the latin american audience. Scroll down in this link to look at how many places it aired:
And that might not be all of them.
I remember seeing a few pages on that site that were missing some channels. Toriyama's footprint on international TV is no joke.

EDIT: Regarding the US, there it is. Toonami announces a DBZ Kai marathon starting at 2AM.
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I go to a MMA gym with a lot of Latinos, and believe you me there is a solid amount of DBZ stuff. Young kids got DBZ stuff, the teens got DBZ stuff, the middle aged dads have DBZ stuff, the younger men have DBZ stuff, it's everywhere. Dragon Ball is right next to Catholicism in terms of popularity across the border, it's unfathomably huge.
 
Take it with a grain of salt for now, but Toriyama's assistant says the clot may have been caused by a surgery complication:
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Different Japanese news article:
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Another Random said:
The idiot tried to say "he went from making a horrible stereotype like Mr. Popo to making Goku's successor a KANGZ" and failed.
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Mr. Popo isn't even a black man, he's a genie.
God of Nothing said:
He was done as far back as Frieza. Super Saiyan is ridiculous and comes from nowhere. Raises the question as to why Goku didn't turn Super Saiyan when Krillin first died or when he came back and saw all his friends were dead.
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For the same reason Vegeta couldn't do it, he didn't meet the minimum standard of strength and turmoil. When he fought final form Frieza, he couldn't even lay a hand on him and was reduced to crying as his broken body was laid out in the ground, Goku on the other hand went toe to toe with Frieza for a while before their differences in strength came to a head and Goku reached his limit, forcing him to throw a Spirit Bomb while Frieza jabs at him for an hour as a personal punching bag. Then the Spirit Bomb fails, Frieza kills Krillin with Goku standing right next to him and was forced to watch as he couldn't do anything to stop Krillin from being killed. Goku had thrown his last hail Mary at Frieza and it still didn't stop him, or even slow him down. It just inconvenienced him for a minute.

So Goku finds himself in this situation where his trump card just failed catastrophically, his friends are being swatted like flies, his son is next in queue and there's little Goku can do to stop any of it, so he has the strength and emotional turmoil necessary to reach Super Saiyan.
 
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VeteranOfTheRetardWars said:
I go to a MMA gym with a lot of Latinos, and believe you me there is a solid amount of DBZ stuff. Young kids got DBZ stuff, the teens got DBZ stuff, the middle aged dads have DBZ stuff, the younger men have DBZ stuff, it's everywhere. Dragon Ball is right next to Catholicism in terms of popularity across the border, it's unfathomably huge.
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So it's like Hello Kitty for men?
 
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