Dragon Ball Thread - RIP Akira Toriyama

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Dragon ball is more consistent than capeshit in that regard, but what I was referring to was going with the capricious nature of Toriyama. There is no master plan, its just a goofy action comedy where the idiot protagonists happen to kick violent douche bags in the face.
Toriyama in a nutshell. He takes these things seriously as much as his characters' names. From the Milk force to the adventures of the Carrot-man and his Vegetable friend, it's all one big fat comedy.

Just sit back and enjoy this experimental period where other characters are getting the spot light, as well as be grateful the series has stopped churning out five different super saiyan stages to keep that revolving door of 8yo readers engaged.
Speaking of the 8yo readers, I remember when me and my friends were that age and we were making up things like Super Saiyan 20 or some kind of god form or some shit.
 
Speaking of the 8yo readers, I remember when me and my friends were that age and we were making up things like Super Saiyan 20 or some kind of god form or some shit.
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This is exactly why color theory needs to be a part of every middle school art class.
Addendum: I still never found a source for SSB being blue because Toriyama was reading Toriko at the time, but that's just stupid enough to be plausible.
 
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This is exactly why color theory needs to be a part of every middle school art class.
Looking back at them, I'm rather surprised that TOEI and Toriyama simply went for palette swaps. Resurrection F would've been cooler if Freeza used Cooler's 5th form as the form he beats SSGSS with.

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I'd have the Gold form be Freeza's version of the Kaio-Ken, something that increases his power by a multiplier factor, but it's something he can't overdo, as it would have consequences. The 5th form would be a more stable way of fighting SSB.
 
Looking back at them, I'm rather surprised that TOEI and Toriyama simply went for palette swaps. Resurrection F would've been cooler if Freeza used Cooler's 5th form as the form he beats SSGSS with.

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I'd have the Gold form be Freeza's version of the Kaio-Ken, something that increases his power by a multiplier factor, but it's something he can't overdo, as it would have consequences. The 5th form would be a more stable way of fighting SSB.
Tori can't be arsed about drawing the 5th form so now Frieza & Cell (If anyone seen the new film) are now also victims to recolors, Tori is the same person who made Super Saiyan a Blonde so he won't have to ink. Dragon Ball Multiverse did a good job with this, the forms are pretty cool & even King Cold got some action.
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It had big booms and pretty colors so I liked it. I only care about power levels in Dragon Ball if it allows for bigger booms.
Ironically enough, the biggest booms were from when they had low as shit power levels. Roshi has a power level of less than 200, but he blew up the moon. So did Piccolo back in the Saiyan Saga. When Vegeta's power level was a paltry 18K, he blew up Arlia with two fingers. Now we're lucky if we see an explosion blow away a city or a planet. Most of the time, their attacks at most amount to a tactical nuke.

*Sigh* I miss the time when Broly actually blew up a galaxy. Now at most, he's just another planet-buster like the rest of them, except we've already got proof that even common weapons like blasters can hurt them when their guard is down (Resurrection F) so it's not like they're invincible. Just give a sniper the right vantage point and distract the hero/villain, and I'm sure they can take any Z Warrior down aside from maybe the Hakaishin and the angels.
 
Ironically enough, the biggest booms were from when they had low as shit power levels. Roshi has a power level of less than 200, but he blew up the moon. So did Piccolo back in the Saiyan Saga. When Vegeta's power level was a paltry 18K, he blew up Arlia with two fingers. Now we're lucky if we see an explosion blow away a city or a planet. Most of the time, their attacks at most amount to a tactical nuke.

*Sigh* I miss the time when Broly actually blew up a galaxy. Now at most, he's just another planet-buster like the rest of them, except we've already got proof that even common weapons like blasters can hurt them when their guard is down (Resurrection F) so it's not like they're invincible. Just give a sniper the right vantage point and distract the hero/villain, and I'm sure they can take any Z Warrior down aside from maybe the Hakaishin and the angels.
There's actually a filler where King Vegeta blew up 3 planets with his fingers.
 
Goku fights with Golden Freeza at one moment, then gets nailed by the DBZ equivalent of a blaster the next.
It's always been hinted that Ki needs some degree of focus to be affective as a force field. That's why Vegeta got BTFO twice with a regular old samurai sword in the Sayian Saga. First time Yajirobe caught him off guard, the second time was when he was so weak he could barely defend himself.. Its why Goku got hurt by a rock Krillin threw, because he was asleep.

Furry-in-denial Plague of Gripes gives the best explanation of DB's power system (and why Toriyama never really went into detail about it, cause even he knows how bullshit it is).
As our average Tomino enjoyer @RX-78 said, just sit back and enjoy the screaming kung-fu violence and food puns.
Tori can't be arsed about drawing the 5th form so now Frieza & Cell (If anyone seen the new film) are now also victims to recolors, Tori is the same person who made Super Saiyan a Blonde so he won't have to ink. Dragon Ball Multiverse did a good job with this, the forms are pretty cool & even King Cold got some action.
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Eh, DB Multiverse is no Buttlord GT.
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Addendum: I still never found a source for SSB being blue because Toriyama was reading Toriko at the time, but that's just stupid enough to be plausible.
There was a crossover special between Dragonball, Toriko, and One Piece. It's One Piece episode 590, the only One Piece episode not available on Crunchyroll.
 
Super Hero is showing in my area this week, so I'm going to try and snag a ticket to the subbed version.

I've been a Dragon Ball sperg since I was a little kid and even now I have a Goku figure on my desk at home. It was my gateway into anime which later brought me into something I do for a living and it's great seeing that people in my age group, people older than me, and now even little kids are into it in the West, it's hardly high brow entertainment, but it's fun as hell and that's the most important part.

Recently I've started rewatching the original Dragon Ball 86 anime out of nostalgia, and there is some absolutely gorgeous shots in it.
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It's always been hinted that Ki needs some degree of focus to be affective as a force field.
This isn't going to be based on that headcanon lore video is it.

It's never been hinted to be that kind of force field, it was always treated as something that, alongside actively concentrating it to do stuff like blasts or flying, gives passive buffs to speed, strength and resilience simply by someone having more of it. Hence Goku as a kid brushing off being shot in the head on like page 4 and him being able to throw cars around, when he didn't even know what ki was let alone how to use it.

There are inconsistencies, Toriyama wasn't overthinking the concept and how it interacts with everything else, nor was he overly rigid about it, but the general rule is that it's a multiplier to physical attributes depending on how much ki the person possesses.
That's why Vegeta got BTFO twice with a regular old samurai sword in the Sayian Saga. First time Yajirobe caught him off guard, the second time was when he was so weak he could barely defend himself.. Its why Goku got hurt by a rock Krillin threw, because he was asleep.
Swords have some strange logic going on, where they are functionally as strong as the wielder. Trunks cut Frieza into pieces with his sword, then gave it to King Cold, who couldn't do shit with it against Trunks. Both of them were a lot weaker than him. Goku is able to hold it off with just a finger when him and Trunks are about even. Then it gets busted fighting an opponent that's significantly stronger than Trunks. It's never said or implied by anyone that the user's ki gets channeled through the weapon, but that's how it behaves.

Yajirobe and his sword would be a similar deal. People can still get caught off guard and hurt by people or attacks that are powerful enough relative to them, eg Goku getting hurt by Piccolo at their tournament fight. At that point Yajirobe'd be as strong as any of the other fighters that trained with Kami, so you could reasonably bullshit the second attack on Vegeta as being within range to hurt him if caught off guard. Vegeta ate a lot of shit by that point and was weakened a lot, and the slash really didn't do much damage.

The tail cut on the other hand is an inconsistency for the sake of story. The weak spot on the giant monster gets exploited by the heroes. It's basically a callback to when Yamcha cut Goku's tail off. In both cases, the person delivering the attack should be way too underpowered to harm an oozaru if Toriyama was anal about relative strength, but the plot has the tail be susceptible to cutting for the underdog to have an out. Hell, because it was already done once, Toriyama had precedent to do it again. It works fine narratively.

It does boil down to how much Toriyama wanted to have a cool moment or a plot point about sth getting cut at any given time. Destructo disc is the ultimate example of this. Shit's just a spinning ki blast in the shape of a saw blade, why would it be disproportionately effective against way stronger opponents like Nappa or Frieza? 'Cus it's cool. Why doesn't it get used more if it's so effective? Well, because, y'know. It was only meant to be effective in that moment of cool, not an actual way to achieve victory.

The rock thing is filler, and it's retarded that it became a go to argument in favor of this shit.
Furry-in-denial Plague of Gripes gives the best explanation of DB's power system (and why Toriyama never really went into detail about it, cause even he knows how bullshit it is).
Knew it.
I forgot how embarrassingly tryhard multiverse got.
The tryhardness is a refreshing amount of effort now that Super lowered the bar to crayonbox palette swaps.
 
This isn't going to be based on that headcanon lore video is it.

It's never been hinted to be that kind of force field, it was always treated as something that, alongside actively concentrating it to do stuff like blasts or flying, gives passive buffs to speed, strength and resilience simply by someone having more of it. Hence Goku as a kid brushing off being shot in the head on like page 4 and him being able to throw cars around, when he didn't even know what ki was let alone how to use it.

There are inconsistencies, Toriyama wasn't overthinking the concept and how it interacts with everything else, nor was he overly rigid about it, but the general rule is that it's a multiplier to physical attributes depending on how much ki the person possesses.

Swords have some strange logic going on, where they are functionally as strong as the wielder. Trunks cut Frieza into pieces with his sword, then gave it to King Cold, who couldn't do shit with it against Trunks. Both of them were a lot weaker than him. Goku is able to hold it off with just a finger when him and Trunks are about even. Then it gets busted fighting an opponent that's significantly stronger than Trunks. It's never said or implied by anyone that the user's ki gets channeled through the weapon, but that's how it behaves.

Yajirobe and his sword would be a similar deal. People can still get caught off guard and hurt by people or attacks that are powerful enough relative to them, eg Goku getting hurt by Piccolo at their tournament fight. At that point Yajirobe'd be as strong as any of the other fighters that trained with Kami, so you could reasonably bullshit the second attack on Vegeta as being within range to hurt him if caught off guard. Vegeta ate a lot of shit by that point and was weakened a lot, and the slash really didn't do much damage.

The tail cut on the other hand is an inconsistency for the sake of story. The weak spot on the giant monster gets exploited by the heroes. It's basically a callback to when Yamcha cut Goku's tail off. In both cases, the person delivering the attack should be way too underpowered to harm an oozaru if Toriyama was anal about relative strength, but the plot has the tail be susceptible to cutting for the underdog to have an out. Hell, because it was already done once, Toriyama had precedent to do it again. It works fine narratively.

It does boil down to how much Toriyama wanted to have a cool moment or a plot point about sth getting cut at any given time. Destructo disc is the ultimate example of this. Shit's just a spinning ki blast in the shape of a saw blade, why would it be disproportionately effective against way stronger opponents like Nappa or Frieza? 'Cus it's cool. Why doesn't it get used more if it's so effective? Well, because, y'know. It was only meant to be effective in that moment of cool, not an actual way to achieve victory.

The rock thing is filler, and it's retarded that it became a go to argument in favor of this shit.

Knew it.

The tryhardness is a refreshing amount of effort now that Super lowered the bar to crayonbox palette swaps.
Since the last couple of pages of this thread have turned into Kanzenshuu: KF I'll say this, a lot of the power level stuff probably wouldn't matter if Frieza wasn't stated to be the strongest in the universe! If he was just a tyrant on galactic conquest who destroyed planet Vegeta that would be enough, it leaves open a whole universe full of threats for the Z warriors to face (Androids included).
 
There's actually a filler where King Vegeta blew up 3 planets with his fingers.
Yep. But now you'd be lucky if Beerus or Freeza blows up a planet.
They've been trying to dial back the planet busting for a while now, with Super's director saying none of them can just extend their hands and blow away a planet except for Beerus, and the kakarot game saying Piccolo didn't blow up the moon but only used an illusion technique to make it seem that way--I assume they didn't mention Roshi because none of that game takes place in dragon ball.
Since the last couple of pages of this thread have turned into Kanzenshuu: KF
None of us are manlets, dweebs, autismos, and spics projecting their insecurities onto the resident jobber so that doesn't apply.
 
I saw the movie today and it was awesome! Piccolo really showed how smart he is in this one,

RIP Gamma 2. I hope Dr. Hedo remakes you.

BTW, Gohan's powerup at the end of the film is called Beast, which makes Idris Elba's tweet ironic.
 
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I watched the movie on Monday but didn’t get around to posting about it until now. Really enjoyed that this movie had an actual full storyline, and not just fighting like the Broly movie.

Pan was super cute and I loved the dynamic between her, piccolo, and gohan. I’m guessing this movie was finally an answer to all the fans asking for more screen time with the other characters.

Kinda weird that orange piccolo and ultra instinct mystic Gohan came out of nowhere, they were totally shoehorned in, but I thought they were pretty cool. I remember being kind of disappointed when I first saw the character designs for Gamma 1&2, but Cell Max was a great villain IMO. Hopefully when Super starts back up, (which is next year I’ve heard rumored) they will focus on more characters then just Goku and Vegeta.

My friend I saw the movie with had some gripes about the movie and I get that minor DB fans didn’t enjoy the character building scenes in the beginning, but I thought it was the best DB movie ever.
 
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