Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

[Prophetic Spirit]

by hiring competent writers? just write off veilguard as a bad blood ritual trip that some demon named dementia is showing the inquisitor, kill off the inquisition fags and course correct to develop solas and the war they were trying to do with dread wolf, you know, before they renamed to veilguard...

Nah, i think Inquisition is alright.

also speaking on remasters, i'd like to have my favorite mental asylum janitor simulator remastered, i can appreciate bioware for gunning it with the smug dialogue and it's a refreshing thing to play through again when other games try to take themselves so seriously and you don't even have a option to talk shit to people.
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i fucking love this comment i fished from a video of DA2 i was watching.

Near every human being in Kirkwall is either stupid or totally insane.

 

[Ishtar]

Near every human being in Kirkwall is either stupid or totally insane.

To be entirely fair-Kirkwall is implied throughout the game to be Hellmouth.

Corypheus sleeping not far away
one of the forbidden ones under the city
demons everywhere(including at least one that seems tied to the Evanuris)
an extremely thin veil
It is likely the place where the Magisters Sidereal breached the fade with blood sacrifice
Sundermount is the mountain where Solas sundered the titans.

That's just the magical/metaphysical stuff around the city-that makes it a demon magnet, drives even non mages crazy into having an abnormally high murder rate. Never mind-Kirkwall is a very stratified city with desperate poverty(entire districts are lost sometimes-mudslides or toxic fumes), the noble culture is ridiculously fucking insanely cutthroat-if hawke is a mercenary the standard thing apparently is nobles hiring mercenaries to butcher each other's families.

Its under the rule of a paranoid woman who is increasingly insane.

Kirkwall is a shithole, with utterly dysfunctional or compromised political leadership-demons literally compete for mages to possess.

Its a concentrated ulcer on Thedas. Unironically-the darkspawn destroying in Veilguard was a good thing.

 

[Humble Architect]

To be entirely fair-Kirkwall is implied throughout the game to be Hellmouth.

Corypheus sleeping not far away
one of the forbidden ones under the city
demons everywhere(including at least one that seems tied to the Evanuris)
an extremely thin veil
It is likely the place where the Magisters Sidereal breached the fade with blood sacrifice
Sundermount is the mountain where Solas sundered the titans.

That's just the magical/metaphysical stuff around the city-that makes it a demon magnet, drives even non mages crazy into having an abnormally high murder rate. Never mind-Kirkwall is a very stratified city with desperate poverty(entire districts are lost sometimes-mudslides or toxic fumes), the noble culture is ridiculously fucking insanely cutthroat-if hawke is a mercenary the standard thing apparently is nobles hiring mercenaries to butcher each other's families.

Its under the rule of a paranoid woman who is increasingly insane.

Kirkwall is a shithole, with utterly dysfunctional or compromised political leadership-demons literally compete for mages to possess.

Its a concentrated ulcer on Thedas. Unironically-the darkspawn destroying in Veilguard was a good thing.

Kirkwall is such a pit that it even breaks hardened/ruthless Hawke if he becomes Viscount after (rightfully) purging the Mages.

The immovable mover couldn’t tame that city.

 

[PetiteFeet]

Man, I haven't played DAO/DA2 since I finished DA2. I 100%ed DAO and I have replayed it at least three different times from beginning to end with different characters, playing through all origins and romancing everyone. DA2 the combat was cool because I was a console peasant at the time but the game itself never hit quite right compared to DAO.
I'm scared of touching DAI, even at a massive discount, and I will never ever touch Failguard.

I'm kind of worried that if I replay DAO, I will sour my memories of it. But it's been over a decade since I played it last.
Same with Mass Effect 1-3. I have 100% the trilogy aside from a couple of NG+/Insanity achievements in ME1. I don't want to replay either franchise because of where Bioware would eventually take things.

Why does everything I love turn to shit.

 

[We've all been there]

Man, I haven't played DAO/DA2 since I finished DA2. I 100%ed DAO and I have replayed it at least three different times from beginning to end with different characters, playing through all origins and romancing everyone. DA2 the combat was cool because I was a console peasant at the time but the game itself never hit quite right compared to DAO.
I'm scared of touching DAI, even at a massive discount, and I will never ever touch Failguard.

I'm kind of worried that if I replay DAO, I will sour my memories of it. But it's been over a decade since I played it last.
Same with Mass Effect 1-3. I have 100% the trilogy aside from a couple of NG+/Insanity achievements in ME1. I don't want to replay either franchise because of where Bioware would eventually take things.

Why does everything I love turn to shit.

I'm in the middle of a new DAO character now, first one in like 5 years at least. It still holds up, and has occasionally surprised me even now with things I didn't notice way back when, or on any subsequent campaigns over the years.

 

[Hooked on phobics]

So apparently dragon age day (this is real) came and went and the company did literally nothing for it.

https://tech4gamers.com/bioware-ignored-dragon-age-day/

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Beat Veilguard recently.
Wasn't the complete total trashfire I thought it'd be. Still massive disappointment with previous choices being irrelevant, cringe marvel AI writing, nigga elves, lackluster gameplay, though this last point counts for all DA games besides Origins.
Ending was not bad, the elven gods were just okay enough to not suck ass as villains. Same goes with Solas, he was just interesting enough. Pure averageness.
Was surprised by the companions that weren't entirely DEI caricatures. Could have sworn the ice witch will be a gurl power know it all, but she wasn't, she was, pun intended, pretty chill.
Companions were fine, all except one. Nothing could have prepared me for the ridiculous clownshow horrorfest of the troon. Brought the game on the verge of unplayable multiple times. What kind of demented 12 year old psychopath wrote all that bullshit? If you'd cut out the troon alone, instead of having all those 3/10 scores, you could have easily had a weak 7/10 out of sheer sympathy from fans and actually made some money selling this piece of shit. But HOT DAM. Good thing you can ignore 4/5th of a companions storyline and get them fucking killed in the last section of the game. In the troon's case it's pretty funny when big stronk special gurl axe dual wielder gets knocked the fuck out in one hit.
Either way, if you're a big Dragon Age fan, might as well fucking pirate it and give it a shot. The sole good thing is that it finishes the Grey Wared and elf gods storyline well enough. Everything else is meh to shit.

 

[Kane Lives]

If you'd cut out the troon alone, instead of having all those 3/10 scores,

It's funny to think how a troon alone shaved the score by a third from the game from xir "ITS MAAAAAM" presence alone.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

It's funny to think how a troon alone shaved the score by a third from the game from xir "ITS MAAAAAM" presence alone.

You should've seen it.
The troon's whole storyline is it doesn't want to be a girl or some shit, but a plural pronoun. And the troon has a mom, who actually does seem to give a shit about her kid and evidently tried her best raising it. But she a big mean strict parent and the literally lobotomized retard troon just can't handle a single bit of authority it it's life, so it spergs the fuck out every two sentences about its bullshit inner feelings. And her WHOLE storyline is all about that.
One funny thing is that when you first meet the troon, literally the first thing it does is kill some niggers in mad rage, then in a fake psycho calm state says hi and tells you to not get in its way. And this fake bullshit dissonance just never stops. I have never seen a more pissy, whiney, insecure, unstable dumbass character anywhere in my life. Everything resolves about it mustering the guts to come out of the shed as a troon and the Player being forced to 'support' that shit. Mentally I kept writing it all off as everyone around the troon being deadass scared of it going berserk and just going along with its missery.
But the absolute peak was the troon's companion story ending where it's mom gets kidnapped, has a bullshit nonsense "change of heart" moment and yells at the villain trying to capture the troon that the troon is a great person and that, "THEY ARE STRONK" right before getting killed. I almost died of cringe.
Veilguard is very much not a well written game. You can clearly see places where they definitely used AI for the script. But the troon is a unique level of dogshit that you could make a whole youtube documentary about it.

 

[LazyLizard]

The troon's whole storyline is it doesn't want to be a girl or some shit, but a plural pronoun. And the troon has a mom, who actually does seem to give a shit about her kid and evidently tried her best raising it. But she a big mean strict parent and the literally lobotomized retard troon just can't handle a single bit of authority it it's life, so it spergs the fuck out every two sentences about its bullshit inner feelings. And her WHOLE storyline is all about that.

i know about the whole cringe mom dinner scene but it brings up the question, how the fuck does she even have a mom? qunari don't have parents, the dad leaves as soon as the mom is pregnant and the mom gives the kid over to the tamassrans who raise it, qunari's don't have any family or any concept of family, if they even tries to start a family they get "reeducated".

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

i know about the whole cringe mom dinner scene but it brings up the question, how the fuck does she even have a mom? qunari don't have parents, the dad leaves as soon as the mom is pregnant and the mom gives the kid over to the tamassrans who raise it, qunari's don't have any family or any concept of family, if they even tries to start a family they get "reeducated".

They actually did it right.
The mom ran the fuck away from the Qun with her kid for her kid to not be raised in whatever bullshit commie paradise the Qun offers. Irony is that the mom tries to follow the Qun and encourages the troon to do that too.
But then they fucked up with all kinds of backpedalling the Qunari lore. The troon says at some points that you can leave the Qun whenever you want, which is total bullshit, or at least it used to be. And another time the troon says there are no gender norms in the Qun and shit, anyone can be anything, which yet again is bullshit.
I vividly recall them giving you an option to tweak the troon to either be more traditional Qunari or more Rivaini buttpirate libertine. I deadass thought that if you pick Qunari, the troon would shut the fuck up for a bit and stay within her gender norms. But fuck that, she becomes MORE of an insufferable troon under the backpedalled neo-lore of the Qunari. Though I suspect its by design, it doesn't matter which choice you pick, troonmaxxing will always happen.

 

[Peaches the Wonder Cat]

So apparently dragon age day (this is real) came and went and the company did literally nothing for it.

https://tech4gamers.com/bioware-ignored-dragon-age-day/

There weren't even that many streamers caring about it. I think I saw one who was doing DA:I multiplayer. I've never heard good things about DA multiplayer, but it's better than Trannyguard.

 

[Jace on ice]

Was just at Goymart looking at headphones and saw that Fagguard is now being sold for $4.99.

Yea I don't think this was a smashing success.

On the plus side if you want to witness the trooncringe firsthand you can get it for basically nothing.

 

[We've all been there]

Either way, if you're a big Dragon Age fan, might as well fucking pirate it and give it a shot. The sole good thing is that it finishes the Grey Wared and elf gods storyline well enough. Everything else is meh to shit.

Being a Dragon Age fan makes it even worse. Genuinely unplayable, couldn't finish it past the warden shitshow.

And another time the troon says there are no gender norms in the Qun and shit, anyone can be anything, which yet again is bullshit.

Sten argues with Morrigan about it, probably others. I used her the most out of the female companions. He says she can either be a combatant or a woman, basically, and in his view she's neither in that moment.

Was just at Goymart looking at headphones and saw that Fagguard is now being sold for $4.99.

Yea I don't think this was a smashing success.

To say the least. I wish people just wouldn't play it all and it would make $0, but gamers genuinely will consume 20-40 hours of the worst slop imaginable rather than do anything productive.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Being a Dragon Age fan makes it even worse. Genuinely unplayable, couldn't finish it past the warden shitshow.

I'll be straight, rare thing in Dragon Age fandom.
Dragon Age as a series overall was never THAT good. Origins was very good. But ever since DA2, it's just fantasy slop, cheap gameplay, generic writing with lore that's just interesting enough to care. Now Veilguard may be the wokest, but dam, Inquisition had a troon side character too and more gay romances than straight ones. Begs the question how some fans these days can't stomach Veilguard at all, but they could stomach all the bisexual bullshit in 2 and Inq with minimal complaints.

Sten argues with Morrigan about it, probably others. I used her the most out of the female companions. He says she can either be a combatant or a woman, basically, and in his view she's neither in that moment.

Yet another point proving that Origins was very good.

 

[Waifuchu]

Now Veilguard may be the wokest, but dam, Inquisition had a troon side character too and more gay romances than straight ones. Begs the question how some fans these days can't stomach Veilguard at all, but they could stomach all the bisexual bullshit in 2 and Inq with minimal complaints.

Because it didn't matter in the previous games.

When DA2 came out and they revealed every single companion was bi, it never once seemed like some "forced diversity" shit; it seemed like a lazy way of giving the player more options without forcing them to play a specific gender. The only part about it that was remotely annoying was Anders, who in Awakening was a skirt-chasing horndog, suddenly lamenting the fate of his first love, who is revealed to be some bearded dude.

DAI ramped it up, but not so up that it was an active blight (ha.) on the rest of the game. Of the game's gay characters, Dorian is very well-liked, even on this thread. Sera is... Not at all liked in this thread, but all the complaints about her are regarding her attempts at being 'funny', and for being selfish, immature, and never growing out of it. That she also eats pussy is pretty irrelevant. The pooner is certainly eye-rolling, but she's also an optional NPC who you can almost entirely ignore, or even miss outright if you don't recruit Iron Bull. Like with DA2's retcon about Anders taking it up the ass, the biggest problem with this in DAI is the retcon shit with the Qunari. So much for Sten's "Why are you pretending to be a man?"; now the Qunari accept and cherish trannies. But, again, this content revolves around a character with almost zero narrative relevance, and who can be missed entirely. DAI is massively bloated and padded to the point of being kind of a slog to finish. This stuff is a drop in the bucket.

Failguard, no. Now that shit is front and center. We're not even bothering with making up new fantasy terms for these mental illnesses, now we're just using modern, reddit-approved terms. "Soooo, I'm non binary." Listen to Isabela as she explains the proper punishment for 'misgendering', support Traash's "personal journey of self-discovery" with zero options to be mean, look at the breast-mutilation scars in character creation, etc etc.

But it goes even further than that. Because Failguard also gives a big middle finger to anyone who liked the previous games. No more choices from past entries; they're gone. No more Fereldan or Kirkwall. No more in-universe slavery, blood magic is banned, desire demons are banned, the Antivan Crows are morally righteous, pirates only steal 'cultural artifacts' to give them back to whoever made them. And then, as the cherry on top, Failguard came out when people are fucking sick of this shit now.

Of course I can stomach everyone in DA2 being bisexual. Compared to now, those were the good old days.

 

[Mola Ram]

The pooner is certainly eye-rolling, but she's also an optional NPC who you can almost entirely ignore

A couple of things rescue Krem from the Traashfire that would appear in the sequel. One, Jennifer Hale, both her performance and the fact they cast a woman who isn't herself a pooner at all. Two, Krem's function as the Bulls' commanding officer and the adventures she's had in that role (and the missions she can fulfill for you) are the major focus of her character, not the fact she's trans. Three -- and this is my favorite -- she demurs on "going all the way" in terms of changing her body, because to do so would involve horrifying, soul-rending blood magic. Which, when you compare with Veilguard's fucking mastectomy scars, comes off as almost wholesome.

I don't particular care for trans characters, I think the notion you have to include any identity group is pure cancer, but if you must have a trans character, Krem is about as well done as you can expect. Except for the canon defilement of the Qun, of course, but Veilguard blew past that so egregiously that in retrospect it's hard to fault it on its own. (It is, of course, an awful harbinger for how bad things would get.)

And then, as the cherry on top, Failguard came out when people are fucking sick of this shit now.

It will always be one of the great cosmic jokes that Veilguard dropped five days before Trump was reelected, at which point mainstream acceptance of pushback against trannies began to spread almost immediately.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Waifuchu​

I can't believe I have to defend Toiletpaperguard lol

Failguard, no. Now that shit is front and center. We're not even bothering with making up new fantasy terms for these mental illnesses, now we're just using modern, reddit-approved terms. "Soooo, I'm non binary." Listen to Isabela as she explains the proper punishment for 'misgendering', support Traash's "personal journey of self-discovery" with zero options to be mean, look at the breast-mutilation scars in character creation, etc etc.

It's not front and center tho. Bar the troon which is front and center, there's little to no gay agenda. There's probably less than it was in the previous games even.
The Grey Warden faction is led by a couple, a male elf Frenchie guy and a female dwarf. The female might be a little butched up, but the Frenchie elf isn't really emasculated.
Then the ice witch and the crow assassin companions, one's female and the others male, if not romanced, start to casually flirt with each other more and more in conversations. I was shocked they did it so straight.

But it goes even further than that. Because Failguard also gives a big middle finger to anyone who liked the previous games.No more choices from past entries; they're gone. No more Fereldan or Kirkwall.

No spoilers on that last part lol

No more in-universe slavery,

What? The Venatori literally kidnap elf camps and shit in the game lol

blood magic is banned,

Because you're forced to play as goodie two shoes, which itself may be a criticism, but you see some REALLY gnarly satanic shit in Veilguard with blood magic. There are at least a couple of boss fights fight blood mages and one's a

Spoiler

nude fucking demon women that you fight in a pool of human blood lol

desire demons are banned, the Antivan Crows are morally righteous, pirates only steal 'cultural artifacts' to give them back to whoever made them. And then, as the cherry on top, Failguard came out when people are fucking sick of this shit now.

There were barely any desire demons in Inq, and stop being so coomer minded lol
The Crows kinda have to be presented as the good guys since they join rank to fight fucking demonic elven gods and protect their hood from a mongolian Qunari offshoot.

I can stomach being bisexual

Aight.

I'll expand with that Flabguard deserves all the crtiticism for the troon, it's mediocrity, lore muddling, indifference to previous games and coming out at the wrong time in history with all its political agenda bullshit.
But I've watched A LOT of reviews and none of them mentioned any of the okay shit that I had to personally find out playing the game. It was all Endymion doom gloom commie shouts to revolution because a gay is in a video game.
So whose really overly political with high blood pressure in this mass gayming argument?

 

[Waifuchu]

There are screenshots within this thread of Weekes on some forum handwaving why Tevinter is no longer depicted as a slave state because "It wouldn't add anything", or something to that effect.

And I never said "desire demons are banned and this is awful because I wanted to have a wank to them"; I'm listing areas in which this game completely and deliberately castrates established elements from previous games. If it's any consolation, DAO's "sexy" scenes were absolutely terrible-looking, and the later games were wise to stop trying to be hot.

 

[Johan Hulth]

The Crows kinda have to be presented as the good guys

lol no they don't. Complete non-sequitur. Did you also forget the they/ them Governor Crows got as antagonist? Or the Warden's very own enby Flynn, to quote the wiki "Flynn knew they were nonbinary from a young age and started using "they" as a child, with the support of their parents and mentor". What about Dorian's tranny pal Maevaris? Great writing there. For me personally, it's the zipper tits in the CC. But yea sure Inquisition was more woke lol lmao even.

The blink and you miss it "gnarly demonic shit" doesn't really land when your entire aesthetic is Shrek.