Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

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Are u woke enough for this game?

  • Hell yeah, I want play it with my wife's son

    Votes: 170 9.4%

  • Nope, I need to suck more girlcock first

    Votes: 393 21.8%

  • Yasss, I identify as an autistic dwarf of color

    Votes: 377 20.9%

  • Nah, I rather play Fallout76

    Votes: 862 47.8%
  • Total voters
    1,803
But its not arbitrary, and gives the lower classes a reason to support it. "In the Qun you have purpose, protection, and are meaningfully contributing to the greater whole"-a peasant in Orlais is slaving away for a Lord concerned with petty feuding and adulterous scandals. At some level the peasant knows they are slaving away for nothing. Just to feed their superior who has done nothing for them.

It is harsh and unforgiving-which is why we see characters like Tallis, Iron Bull, and a few others struggle with it-but it provides purpose and certainty in an otherwise unfair and capricious world.

The Arishok as you yourself note-cannot just do what he wants. He has to abide by the Qun, and there is no excuse for having failed. "You have a choice-succeed in the role allotted to you or die".

What appeals to the lower classes is precisely this-this severity is applied to everyone.
 
While I will always be DA2's Strongest Soldier, the game's attempt to humanize the Qunari was probably my least favorite aspect. They were far more interesting (imo) when every Qunari was just like Sten, or the Arishok; devout in the ideology and completely alien to the people of Thedas. That's a large part of why I hated Iron Bull in DAI. Aside from his cringy reddit writing, him talking about "most Qunari aren't giga-brainwashed, they're just normal people looking to get by!"
I want a cool fantasy ideological zealot empire, not Trannies trying to turn aliens into communists or whatever the fuck.
 
IB is brainwashed though-the entire "mercenary frat bro" persona was initially his cover, and his entire story is the tension between "Hissrad" Ben-Hassrath agent and Iron Bull bisexual mercenary.

In the Qun-your identity is your occupation, that's made clear in Origins. DAI is exploring this idea further.

As I said in another thread-its odd to me people think the Qunari are some uber masculine or "trad" culture-their values are alien both to Thedas and the RL (western) audience. Sten and the Arishok are both military representatives of a people that don't think the way humans in Thedas(or indeed real life) do. Fans just projected this uber macho aesthetic onto them
 
Ishtar said:
I like Tallis. Its important to remember that she is doing the entire mission ultimately to convince herself the Qun is right. If you pay attention both to her dialogue and commentary-she's unsure and uncertain. Yes she's a hollywood ninja and Felicia Day(apparently was unpopular) but DA has plenty of Hollywood ninjas.

She is our first introduction to the possibility Qunari find the whole set up unsatisfying-because what she wants and what the Qun wants are not in alignment. She goes after her former mentor not because she was told too, but out of some personal need for closure.

It also gives us insight into the Qun more broadly-namely its very collectivist ethos and appeal to the lower classes. Something Origins only alludes too with some of Sten's dialogue.
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i hate tallis, felicia day is unlikable to begin with but tallis is just a mary sue she wrote for herself and through the whole DLC you have no choice but to help the qunari, even after they have invaded kirkwall and you killed the arishok you still help protect their spy network, so dumb.
 
LazyLizard said:
i hate tallis, felicia day is unlikable to begin with but tallis is just a mary sue she wrote for herself and through the whole DLC you have no choice but to help the qunari, even after they have invaded kirkwall and you killed the arishok you still help protect their spy network, so dumb.
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Isn't Tallis the ugly bald nonbinary bloke?
 
Valstrax said:
Isn't Tallis the ugly bald nonbinary bloke?
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nah Tallis is literally her self insert, she wrote, voiced, mocapped and played the character in a DA web series called Dragon Age: Redeption
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LazyLizard said:
nah Tallis is literally her self insert, she wrote, voiced, mocapped and played the character in a DA web series called Dragon Age: Redeption
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So she managed to convince Bioware to pay her to put her own self insert in DA2. Always thought that DLC felt rather off in tone compared to the rest of the game Anyways that's honestly kind of based, what the hell dirt did she have on the higher ups on to pull this off?
 
Anon88 said:
So she managed to convince Bioware to pay her to put her own self insert in DA2. Always thought that DLC felt rather off in tone compared to the rest of the game Anyways that's honestly kind of based, what the hell dirt did she have on the higher ups on to pull this off?
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you gotta remember this was still back in the "eew, video games is for nerdy guys" era so this when you have an averagely attractive woman playing their games and wanting to be part of it all these nerdy guys making games would gladly make any mary sue DLC for her including funding a fucking show to star her.
 
LazyLizard said:
you gotta remember this was still back in the "eew, video games is for nerdy guys" era so this when you have an averagely attractive woman playing their games and wanting to be part of it all these nerdy guys making games would gladly make any mary sue DLC for her including funding a fucking show to star her.
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women were a mistake
 
LazyLizard said:
you gotta remember this was still back in the "eew, video games is for nerdy guys" era so this when you have an averagely attractive woman playing their games and wanting to be part of it all these nerdy guys making games would gladly make any mary sue DLC for her including funding a fucking show to star her.
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Also, Felicia Day was for some reason geek royalty in 2011. She wound up in freaking New Vegas for the same reason, although in that game you're free to dispose of her in whatever manner you find best, including selling her to cannibals.
 
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Mark of the Assassin is something of a heist DLC, for the narrative though it serves to introduce the player to Orlesian intrigue, and the Qunari beyond military figures like Sten and the Arishok.

IDK the deal with Felicia Day I wasn't around for that, but the point of Tallis' in the game itself is fairly self explanatory.

Conflicted Qunari spy on a personal redemption mission. Its not hard to understand.
 
Coalescence said:
While I will always be DA2's Strongest Soldier, the game's attempt to humanize the Qunari was probably my least favorite aspect. They were far more interesting (imo) when every Qunari was just like Sten, or the Arishok; devout in the ideology and completely alien to the people of Thedas. That's a large part of why I hated Iron Bull in DAI. Aside from his cringy reddit writing, him talking about "most Qunari aren't giga-brainwashed, they're just normal people looking to get by!"
I want a cool fantasy ideological zealot empire, not Trannies trying to turn aliens into communists or whatever the fuck.
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You can make the argument that the Iron Bull, being a liar and a spy, will tell you anything that give him an in to you. In this case, going all "Hur hur Qunaris are just like you, we are open and progressive, look at my ragtag rainbow buddies... now let's fuck!"

It is the reaction of people to him that I can't stand.

Cullen, who had witnessed first hand the sacking of Kirkwall by these bullmen: "Iron Bull's cock is shoved into the Inquisitor, haw haw haw so awesome!"
Cassandra, who has heard the story from Varric and no doubt Leliana: "I can't look away (Qunari cock beeeeeeeeg and aweeeesome)!"
People that have heard of Kirkwall and Seheron: "Iron Bull is so hot! FUCK MEEEEE!!!!"
Leliana, knowing that Iron Bull is a spy - no issues letting him park in the tavern where he can listen and mingle with everyone in the place for information
Dorian - "FUCK ME WHEN I AM ROARING DRUNK! CONSENT OF ANY FORM IS FOR LOSERS!!!"

Weekes really wish he's Iron Bull when he wrote all that, I bet.

Speaking of Weekes, I suddenly thought of that Eddie Munster lookalike that loved dem zippertits, what's her name again. Is her YouTube channel flourishing?

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Ishtar said:
Its not hard to understand.
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It seems to be really hard for you to understand that this ebin DLC about muh notFrance intrigue is infact just a thinly veiled excuse to fawn over Felicia Day and her cancerous Mary Sue self-insert. Which is what everyone is talking about as you cope with a basic bitch wikipedo tier summary.
Ishtar said:
IDK the deal with Felicia Day I wasn't around for that
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Holy shit, retarded zoomer detected. No wonder you glaze the wretched dogshit retcons in every game post-DAO. Case in point Tallis, the qunari superagent.
 
BlankSpaceBaby said:
Weekes really wish he's Iron Bull when he wrote all that, I bet.
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The only Iron Bull in his life is the one nailing his wife.

Something that always felt off about DAI, this is supposedly one of the biggest threats our protagonist has encountered, yet in game he's one of the most underwhelming villains. We were mostly a step ahead of him after Skyhold. His boss fight at the end of not that impressive.
 
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