Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

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Are u woke enough for this game?

  • Hell yeah, I want play it with my wife's son

    Votes: 170 9.4%
  • Nope, I need to suck more girlcock first

    Votes: 393 21.8%
  • Yasss, I identify as an autistic dwarf of color

    Votes: 377 20.9%
  • Nah, I rather play Fallout76

    Votes: 862 47.8%

  • Total voters
    1,803
Bioware sort of came back into the limelight with Baldur's Gate 3 for obvious reasons. It's no small surprise people are looking at Dragon Age again because BG3 is basically just using the modern Bioware playbook but, you know, not being quite as shit.
I just dont know what people expect. They havent released a decent dragon age since the first one, the last ME was dead on arrival and never recovered, their most recent major new property flopped hard. What direction can they go to find success everything they touch just turns to shit
 
I just dont know what people expect. They havent released a decent dragon age since the first one, the last ME was dead on arrival and never recovered, their most recent major new property flopped hard. What direction can they go to find success everything they touch just turns to shit
Sure, but the thing about BioWare is that its going to be a new and unexpected kind of shit and so we're all speculating what kind of runny turd BioWare is going to squirt out into existence.
 
Sure, but the thing about BioWare is that its going to be a new and unexpected kind of shit and so we're all speculating what kind of runny turd BioWare is going to squirt out into existence.
No I refuse to acclimate to this! Why do that to yourself when you could just play something else? Do you place no value on the finiteness of your earthly existence?
 
No I refuse to acclimate to this! Why do that to yourself when you could just play something else? Do you place no value on the finiteness of your earthly existence?
Do you have any idea where you are and what we do here? BioWare is one of the biggest lolcows in video gaming at the moment.
 
I just dont know what people expect. They havent released a decent dragon age since the first one, the last ME was dead on arrival and never recovered, their most recent major new property flopped hard. What direction can they go to find success everything they touch just turns to shit

At this point BioWare is cruising on what remains of their reputation as a maker of great RPGs (despite the last unambiguously successful one coming out 14 years ago) and the fact they didn't completely shit the bed with the Mass Effect remaster. I keep expecting Dreadwolf to be the final nail in the coffin -- it simply can't be what EA expects it to be, even if against all odds it's semi-decent and not woke trash -- but neither Andromeda nor Anthem could do the job, so who knows.
 
I just dont know what people expect. They havent released a decent dragon age since the first one, the last ME was dead on arrival and never recovered, their most recent major new property flopped hard. What direction can they go to find success everything they touch just turns to shit
I don't think anyone is expecting it to be good. The thread is mostly just people laughing at Bioware and expecting it to be shit.
 
tbh I miss it. there isn't really anything similar in terms of iron man simulator. after it was fixed there was also plenty of potential, but then EA had to be retarded again thinking the whole game needed to be retooled (it wasn't the bugs or shit launch progression what made people quit apparently), when all it was missing was content really.
 
Just finished playing (most) of the dragon age trilogy. I haven’t finished Awakening or Witch Hunt yet, but I’ve done the DLCs for DA2 and DAI.

So, general thoughts:

It’s an interesting fantasy setting, albeit some of it is “what if you took x fantasy staple and reversed it”-old empire is hated not respected, it’s in the southern hemisphere, the pseudo catholic religion is matriarchal, etc…

So…uh Solas is going to be the villain. I realize there’s a lot of mythic pathos to the character and he has legions of fan girls, but uh he comes across as kinda weak? Like not menacing? Maybe that’s the point? (Dragon age villains are not its best aspect).

Loghain literally hates magic France more than a malevolent demonic horde. I have to say, given how ridiculous the Orlesians are, based.

Isabela deserves to be handed over to the Qun, if only because she bullshitted Hawke about being the reason the Qunari were in the city. The Qunari are basically “what if Orks, but instead of mindless savages, they were basically 1984 and Plato’s republic”.

Which is an interesting subversion…

DAO’s Orzammar and Fade sections genuinely tested my patience. And DAI has so much bloat that literally doesn’t matter. Even XP leveling up is useless because the enemy’s level up with you.

I romanced Leliana in DAO, Merrill in DA2, and playing a female elf-Cullen in DAI. (I heard the Lavellan play through was supposedly the best?) it was fine I guess?
 
If I ever replay DAO in its entirety, I’m downloading as many such mods as possible.

The Deep Roads section was a miserable enough grind, but the Fade was an exercise in rage.

DAO and DAI to their discredit involve lots of grind work, and fetch quests. It’s a difficult balance given DA2 was criticized for being limited to Kirkwall, but I think you can find something in between “a single city and it’s outlying wilderness” and “6 areas at least literally have zero relation to the main plot at all”.

I mean, I guess I’m glad I killed all the dragons. I didn’t get all the landmarks and Astariums though-(who on earth has the time or patience for that?).

Anyways, favorite characters and least liked characters:

DAO:

Zevran-I actually cut his throat the first time and then realized he was a companion, so reloaded a save. Both in combat and in general, I found him the most likable.
Leliana-her singing voice is amazing(did the voice actress do that?)
Morrigan-Claudia Black’s voice is sex.
Alistair-somehow very weak in combat, he’s alright as a character I guess?
Sten-gruff and unapproachable. I never really discussed the Qun because apparently I never got high approval.
Oghren-really unpleasant. “Haha funny drunk” is the meme, but he’s honestly a good depiction of the crass wastrel archetype you see in sitcoms.
Wynne-indifferent
Shale-I avidly hated the DLC and thought the character was weirdly arrogant with a sort of faux Britishness? I dunno, not a fan.

Haven’t played awakening.

DA2:

Varric-love him.
aveline-depending on where your standing, she’s either a corrupt cop, or captain America or pitifully bad at courting despite having been a married woman. All in all, I like her in the party. Quite a tank.
Merrill-sweet big eyes, and a side of demonic deals. I like Merrill, romanced her as Male Hawke. Wonder if she’d like Solas.
Fenris-I like Fenris, he’s an edgy Final Fantasy protagonist who broods and has a ridiculously oversized sword. But I like him.
Anders-the man tried to trick me into being an accomplice for his planned act of terrorism. He’s an unpleasant ass to deal with.
Isabela-“What if…Jack Sparrow, but a woman” the character. Including utterly shameless selfishness and dishonesty. Nice tits I’ll grant. Little bit of realism I liked was when she said she didn’t sleep with men in her crew. As modernist as DA is about gender egalitarianism, having a bit of realism on that score was refreshing.
Sebastian-I didn’t care for him the first time around, but he’s not bad.
Bethany/Carver-not much to say.

DAI:

Varric-loyalty to Hawke is honestly very touching.
Cassandra-the stern warrior woman with a gentle heart/soft side. Is something of a BioWare archetype. Still makes me smile a bit, but I don’t dislike her.
Solas-very useful in combat, and of course critical for the story. All in all. I like the character. Even if he comes across as measured and understated, despite being so important.
Dorian-our flamboyant gay companion. As someone who’s played ME, and who found Cortez barely tolerable, Dorian is strangely…alright? Mostly? Because while he’s a faggot the game also plays up gay stereotypes “I’m too pretty to die”-no way BioWare would do that now. He’s great to have in combat. Hi dunno, maybe the whole aristocrat makes the homosexuality less base? Also I was playing a female inquisitor.
Blackwall-I never got to the reveal about him lying about his identity and all. So he left by Trespasser. I did the reading on his background, if I ever replay DAI I might have to finish that quest. In combat he’s good enough.
Sera-holy shit the Whedon character. Maybe there is something interesting about the Robin Hood character being a self hating minority who isn’t actually very bright or even articulate but wow is Sera unimaginably painful to interact with.
Cole-our friendly spirit/demon/skinsuit. No problem with him.
Iron Bull-my inquisitor was played by the same woman who played Samantha in ME3, and the VA for Bull is James Vega in Mass effect. Which always gave me a bit of whiplash. Not as good in combat as I hoped. Alright otherwise.
Vivienne-what if our aristocratic snooty magic noblewoman was…black. Yet still a contemptuous grasping snooty noblewoman.

Companions:

Leliana-vicious murdering intrigue master. Fine I guess
Cullen-all in all, an inoffensive guy. Romanced him playing a woman.
Josephine-isn’t diplomacy and court intrigue supposed to be done, in person? Or can you make inducements and threats have the same psychological weight via letters? I don’t dislike her, but out of all the companions, her work seems the most tell and not show. Cullen is a soldier. And Leliana is having people run around, spy and kill things. Does Josephine have a 1000 expert diplomats who can get nobles to dance on their fingers? How does she get anything done from Skyhold?
 
granted I haven't played DAO in ages, but I don't really remember any issue or other bad feelings with the fade or the deep roads. only thing I really remember that they were both kinda "bland" graphically, but it made sense not being a spectacle setpiece but just a part of the bigger thing (tbh trying to make everything super special is often even more annoying).
 
granted I haven't played DAO in ages, but I don't really remember any issue or other bad feelings with the fade or the deep roads. only thing I really remember that they were both kinda "bland" graphically, but it made sense not being a spectacle setpiece but just a part of the bigger thing (tbh trying to make everything super special is often even more annoying).
Never really had issues with them either, I think it might be one of those things where your memory of it is way worse than it actually is.
The deeproads are basically a long dungeon but there's a lot of interesting dwarf and darkspawn lore along the way and I always find dwarf architecture to make for pretty interesting zones. Then again I also loved the Moria expansion for Lord of the Rings Online but many people just can't stand being underground for that long.
The Fade is pretty easy though if you know how it works, I always found it to be pretty short after your first time and it gives you bunch of free permanent stat boosts so it's always the thing I do first.
 
When I played DAO about a month or so ago for the first time.

I think it was-Arl of Redcliffe/Andraste's ashes.
Orzammar
the Brecilian Forest
the Circle
I also did Soldier's peak, return to Ostagar, and the DLC where you pick up Shale
then the landsmeet(though I may have done the DLCs in between main quest lines)

I played DA2 first, and finished Inquisition less than fourteen days ago-taking me about 116 hours for the latter.

I'd say I did about 90 some odd percentage of Inquisition.

When you take out all the fluff, Inquisition is actually a very bare bones game. Corypheus is...probably the most pitiful Bioware villain, he's only slightly more memorable than the Kett Archon in Andromeda.

Trespasser also sets up Solas as the real mastermind, with Corypheus basically being a fall guy/distraction. Which just further undermines him(never mind Hawke actually killed him in DA2).
 
Loghain literally hates magic France more than a malevolent demonic horde. I have to say, given how ridiculous the Orlesians are, based.

Loghain was based and literally did nothing wrong.

DAO’s Orzammar and Fade sections genuinely tested my patience.

I love DA : O but even I have to use the skip the fade mod(on PC, luckily).

Literally nobody enjoys the Fade and the Deep Roads is a fucking slog and honestly just kind of depressing, especially after it takes a sudden dark turn into a fucking survival body horror game, then abruptly goes back to just as it was as soon as you're above ground and nobody ever mentions it again. Nobody ever turns to you and goes, "Huh, that was kinda fucked up, right?"

Sten-gruff and unapproachable. I never really discussed the Qun because apparently I never got high approval.

You're doing it wrong. Sten's one of the better companions. Seeing him smile for the first time when you reunite him with his sword is genuinely wonderful.
 
When I played DAO about a month or so ago for the first time.

I think it was-Arl of Redcliffe/Andraste's ashes.
Orzammar
the Brecilian Forest
the Circle
I also did Soldier's peak, return to Ostagar, and the DLC where you pick up Shale
then the landsmeet(though I may have done the DLCs in between main quest lines)
When I played it all those years ag I usually go Arl of Redclffe, make a detour to the circle to save the boy and then go to get the ashes. Then recruit the Elves and after that Orzammar. At least from the combat zones it made the most sense.

To be honest when it comes to the Origin stories I mostly enjoyed the city elf. At the very least it let's you slaughter a noble and his entire guard which makes a city guard comment "The Earl of Denerim's son house is running red with blood" when he is looking for the suspect. Yup that's me always ready to slit some throats if they piss me of.

Unfortunately I never finished Inquisition. That game is just so cumbersome though some regions show the potential the game could have.
 
I also have to admit, I like the Arishok in DA2. Not just as a boss fight, or the voice acting, but the complete submission to principle. “I cannot leave”.

Loghain was based and literally did nothing wrong.





Literally nobody enjoys the Fade and the Deep Roads is a fucking slog and honestly just kind of depressing, especially after it takes a sudden dark turn into a fucking survival body horror game, then abruptly goes back to just as it was as soon as you're above ground and nobody ever mentions it again. Nobody ever turns to you and goes, "Huh, that was kinda fucked up, right?"



You're doing it wrong. Sten's one of the better companions. Seeing him smile for the first time when you reunite him with his sword is genuinely wonderful.
It turns out Loghain was absolutely right, and Cailan was going to hand the country back to Orlais anyway. Not to mention, the battle was probably lost, Cailin(sp?) was swept away by the romance of fighting alongside the grey wardens and actively ignored advice he was given, choosing to fight in the vanguard as well as some other bad tactical decisions.

So Loghain quite arguably preserved the army, and didn’t throw himself or his men into a hopeless battle.

I haven’t read the Masked Empire, but just playing the Orlais mission in Inquisition, and you wish Solas or the Qun would slaughter the entire upper crust of Orlesian society.

Because it’s just utterly rotten. A bunch of pampered degenerates with no scruples and no sense.
 
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