Down the Rabbit Hole / Fredrik Knudsen

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I've gotten through 3h 40m in piecemeal. It seems like it lacks focus. It spends too much time delving into non-EVE shit CCP has done, then more or less glosses over some of the most interesting events in the game. It's not a bad video this far, but it's not great. I don't know what the point of the video is, and I think Knudsen lost sight of it as well somewhere along the line. As others have noted it becomes repetitive and muddled together.
 
For some godforsaken reason I decided to look up at my screen in the middle of some studying only to be greeted with this shit:
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(It's in the middle of section 19 where this guy has reviews Dust 519, fyi)
 
Finished it yesterday night, really enjoyed it. He hops back and forth between the players and developers which keeps the autism at safe levels throughout. Something about a bunch of terminally-online space autists taking themselves so seriously while creating virtual corporations, empires, and waging wars that go on for months really tickled my autism. The only part I would criticize is Fredrick reads at a fucking glacial pace with his stilted voice which made me skip over a few parts where he quotes people. It works most of the time, but others it just drags the pace down too much. In the future I'd rather see him take on shorter projects so it doesn't take two? years per video. I'd like to see a video on SomethingAwful and Lowtax because that's an interesting story, it would also tie in nicely to the Imperium/GoonSwarm in Eve. Overall, I can't judge him too harshely; compared to someone like TurkeyTom, who doesn't even write his own videos and it shows in the lack of quality and personality, it's actually enjoyable to watch on it's own.
Cantercoin said:
For some godforsaken reason I decided to look up at my screen in the middle of some studying only to be greeted with this shit:
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(It's in the middle of section 19 where this guy has reviews Dust 519, fyi)
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Did you really expect the space autism game to not be infested with furries and trannies?
 
Niggas humble bragging about watching the whole thing is hilarious too me.

"Yeah man, I've done a few things my life. Climbed mount everest, read the Bible cover to cover, and watched all 6 hours of Knudsens episode about Eve Online".
 
Had it running in the background for a few days, hoping it would actually go somewhere. Alas no.

For all his poncy vowels and impending troonhood, Knudsen has always been pretty good at creating some kind of compelling narrative structure to his videos, no matter how convoluted or weird the topic. Not here. This was an epic mess three years in the making, meandering from one half explored topic following blindly after another in a vaguely chronological order. He might of well have been reading off hours worth of lore articles from eve-o-pedia or whatever shit wikia site they use.

Was this video about the unique player controlled politics of the game? The complexity of the meta game, espionage, and propaganda? The real life friendships that the game engendered? Or the real life financial and time costs for items in games? The insane drama of the in-game wars? The slow migration of CCP as a company from a collection of inbred autistics dedicated to making a unique game to just another whale-fueled pay-to-win Chinese shitbox? Most of these topics were touched on, but it wasn't about any of them, or anything really. The only thing it was about, was 6 hours.

My dude needs a script editor bad. There were about a dozen potential topics he surfed over that could have been spun into a compelling hour or two with the right framing. Instead, this was just a bunch of rambling. Even the YouTube chapter structure he created was useless. This was a first cut before the studio exec takes a look at it and smacks the director upside the head and tells them to get it to under two hours so it will actually be watchable.

I assume given the time involved, poor Freddy simply got overwhelmed with the available content and gave up. Seems he burnt out like a year ago, and finally just decided to shit this out so people would get off his back and he could get back to reciting lame literary theory boilerplate as an effeminate anime avatar.

Speaking of rambling and meandering, thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
 
Phillip Green said:
My dude needs a script editor bad. There were about a dozen potential topics he surfed over that could have been spun into a compelling hour or two with the right framing. Instead, this was just a bunch of rambling. Even the YouTube chapter structure he created was useless. This was a first cut before the studio exec takes a look at it and smacks the director upside the head and tells them to get it to under two hours so it will actually be watchable.
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A script editor could have easily broken it up into multiple videos too. For greater monetization. Instead of 1 video getting a million views,. could have had 6 videos getting a million views. Which is what the Mega Autists in the Warhammer Lore space do. Arch's breakdown of the "Badab War" is damn near 15 hours long. But he broke it up into 30-40 minutes episodes on average. Much more digestible, and much better from an ad metrics point of view.
 
Out of curiosity I kept clicking around to see an example of the animations that caused him so much grief but I give up after countless black screen interludes. Anyone got a timestamp to one of those fine works of art?
 
elastic eye said:
I can assure you the combat shakes and intensity of just how scary nullsec is when you are a noobie is very real.
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The adrenaline dumps available from 10-40 ship fights in null are unlike anything else in gaming.
elastic eye said:
However fielding a ship worth $1k USD+ you tend to have your nerves a bit on edge
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Doing something stupid with $500-1000 USD worth of internet spaceship pixels and surviving is an experience. Bridge, don't Jump. Bridge, don't Jump.
gildersleeve said:
But one thing I hope he touches upon. Have been rumors of money laundering via the PLEX system. Not entirely sure how that would work since you can't turn it into cash directly. But I've never investigated it.
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  1. Load PLEX into ship
  2. Warp to a deep safe bookmark
  3. Get PayPal notification
  4. Eject from ship
Killmails involving tons of PLEX are more often RMT deals gone bad than retards trying to P2W Eve...
 
1Tonka_Truck said:
Doing something stupid with $500-1000 USD worth of internet spaceship pixels and surviving is an experience. Bridge, don't Jump. Bridge, don't Jump.
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As someone who's never played Eve (I don't need another fulltime job), this is the kind of stuff that I would love to see videos about. Knowing how devoted so many players were, there's actual drama with the massive investments in time and money on the line when the pixels are pew-pewing each other. It's unique, complex, and not something we outsiders ever really see in other games. Again, so much wasted potential with this video...

DankSmoker said:
Out of curiosity I kept clicking around to see an example of the animations that caused him so much grief but I give up after countless black screen interludes. Anyone got a timestamp to one of those fine works of art?
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Only animations I'm aware of are line art like the one starting at 49:45. They're OK as visuals I guess, but are honestly not very informative. I can't imagine they would be that hard to animate in After Effects.

Maybe there was a more sophisticated 3d version or something planned that he abandoned when he decided to cut his losses and just get it out?
 

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1Tonka_Truck said:
  1. Load PLEX into ship
  2. Warp to a deep safe bookmark
  3. Get PayPal notification
  4. Eject from ship
Killmails involving tons of PLEX are more often RMT deals gone bad than retards trying to P2W Eve...
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These were always so easy to spot on zkill
 
Finished it, it's extremely meh. For a two year work, it feels like a summary of unconnected shit (I don't think even in chronological order). Like why would I care on a tranny (since I doubt any biological woman plays EVE) decided to do a sightseeing course through the game galaxy. What interesting or not would depend on the viewer, but it is hard to keep interest when an interesting subject is suddenly dropped so Fred could talk instead on something completely different. Everybody talked about having multiple parts, but you could probably just cut the video subjects into devs/mechanics/turf war/events/players and you'll have a better flow. The video itself also feels very toothless, like it tries extra hard to not step on anyone's toes, which make it feel a lot less impactful. The first half at least tries to have a structure but the second half is all other the place. Also the music left no impression on me.

But the worse thing is that the EVE Fred is describing sounds like an extremely shitty game with devs that have no clear idea from where to proceed (even without the PS3 exclusivity, the crowd that plays FPS is no the crowd that plays EVE), mods that cheat for ingame advantage (why would you let your dev team play the game in a serious way?), turf/corporate wars that haven't moved in a significant way in a decade, bugs that fuck up player experience and way too much pay to win and bloat that is touted as a feature by Stockholm syndrome afflicted players (who all sound like either complete autists or psychopaths). At no point during the video I wanted to play EVE or learn about it, if there is a charm to it then Fred's video completely ruins it.
 
Phillip Green said:
Only animations I'm aware of are line art like the one starting at 49:45. They're OK as visuals I guess, but are honestly not very informative. I can't imagine they would be that hard to animate in After Effects.

Maybe there was a more sophisticated 3d version or something planned that he abandoned when he decided to cut his losses and just get it out?
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Ah, so they were most definitely buttbuddies in some form.
 
Phillip Green said:
Only animations I'm aware of are line art like the one starting at 49:45. They're OK as visuals I guess, but are honestly not very informative. I can't imagine they would be that hard to animate in After Effects.

Maybe there was a more sophisticated 3d version or something planned that he abandoned when he decided to cut his losses and just get it out?
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No, those animations were also in the Battle of May Island video as well. I think that's what he was talking about. Though, seriously, he couldn't do them himself? I assumed he did.
eDove said:
He ought to stick to Lolcows.
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I agree, those videos are more interesting. He might have troll's remorse but it'd be quicker and easier to do something on Boogie than it would be to do another one of these. Though considering the view count is at almost 2 million after a week, he might decide to continue doing this shit.

God damn, I can only imagine how long and drawn out a WoW video would be.
 
eDove said:
He ought to stick to Lolcows.
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Arthur Morgan said:
I agree, those videos are more interesting. He might have troll's remorse but it'd be quicker and easier to do something on Boogie than it would be to do another one of these. Though considering the view count is at almost 2 million after a week, he might decide to continue doing this shit.

God damn, I can only imagine how long and drawn out a WoW video would be.
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Nah. It would be a complete pot and kettle situation.
 
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