🐱 Donald Trump’s pitiful cognition test failure

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I can’t say I’ve had the Montreal Cognitive Assessment (MoCA) test administered to me, the one Donald Trump told Chris Wallace that he “aced,” but I have read through all the questions. It is laughably easy. I can’t imagine why anyone would brag about results from this particular test. Put another way, I could understand why someone would be embarrassed to admit they’d had it administered to them. It’s insulting and clearly intended to test people suspected of being cognitively disoriented or impaired. Look it up on the internet and I’m sure you will agree, it’s no Stanford-Binet IQ test.


The MoCA is, in effect, an extended cognitive orientation test. A crude form of the MoCA test is used by paramedics. How many fingers am I holding up? Who’s president of the United States? What day is this? And so on. It’s how they determine when a person is “oriented, times three” to person, place, and time. The MoCA is a cut above those questions in complexity and difficulty and subtlety, of course, but it is used to measure essentially the same thing, extent of cognitive impairment, if any.


I don’t mean to disparage the test. It’s useful for finding evidence of the early stages of Alzheimer’s and similar impairing disorders. But it does give one pause that it’s thought prudent by medical doctors to administer the test to the president of the United States, let alone that the president should brag about “acing it.”


MoCA was developed by Dr. Ziad Nasreddine in 1996. “This is not an IQ test,” Dr. Nasreddine said. “The test is supposed to help physicians detect early signs of Alzheimer’s, and it became very popular because it was a short test, and very sensitive for early impairment.”

As much as I detest Donald Trump, I found it painful to watch him crow about the test. Trump is a stupid man, but I don’t hold his stupidity against him. I hold his arrogance and his narcissism and his evil against him. But he was born with an unimpressive, second-rate mind. Intellectually he compares badly with everyone who was ever president of the United States, including George W. Bush and Warren G. Harding.


Most of us know instinctively that Trump isn’t very bright on any level, without being necessarily able to define exactly how or why they know it specifically. That is, Trump hasn’t or won’t take a real IQ test. But I think I may have stumbled on a way where you can administer your very own quasi-IQ test on him by way of a thought experiment. Everyone knows at least three bits of trivia that are fairly obscure, but not so obscure as to be wholly unknown by others. So I imagined asking both Donald Trump and Barack Obama the following three questions of my own: What is a differential equation? What is significant about “Bloomsday” in literature? And what does a classical musician mean when she refers to “the 48”? These are questions that specialists in the field of mathematics, literature and music could easily answer, but could not be necessarily easily answered by a person not specializing in any of those disciplines.

I think President Obama would probably know the answer to at least two of those questions, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he knew all three. I would be staggered if Trump came within shouting distance of answering any one of those questions. In fact, shouting is probably what would happen. I could imagine asking them of him and being shouted at and insulted for daring to ask, being told they were trick questions or even “fake” questions. We all know perfectly well in the easily accessible realm of our imaginations that Trump is a moron. Try this little thought experiment and prove it to yourself with obscure questions of your own. Like the MoCA, it’s a short but effective way of exposing an obvious reality.

I will even go further. I would bet Barack Obama could have told me a thing or two that I didn’t know about the three above questions, told me little fascinating or arcane details. But Barack Obama is a brilliant man, and it’s intuitively obvious. In the many ways Obama was qualified to be president of the United States, his compassion, his leadership, his experience, he was also intellectually qualified because he was brilliant. We were all truly blessed to have Barack Obama as the leader of the free world for one brief shining moment in our history.

I’ve never believed that Donald Trump was a “genius” in any sense of the idea, not even a specialised kind of genius or a “savant.” He is one of the most talent-bereft people I know. He’s even rubbish at his chosen field, real estate developer. There are a million reasons why Donald Trump is unfit to be president of the United States, and this has been another one. And, as ever, ladies and gentlemen, brothers and sisters, comrades and friends, stay safe.

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and on a related note, if trump is such an incompetent failure of a businessman who bankrupts everything as the left likes to claim, why is he a multibillionaire and why are they not rich?

It's pretty simple. Get a bunch of morons to "invest" in your scam based on your mostly manufactured reputation as a huge business success. Bleed the business dry, pocket it all, have the business declare bankruptcy, leave the suckers holding the bag. He's a success because people are stupid. Also he was never able to prove a net worth even over a billion much less multibillionaire.
 
What I like is this 'lol look at him brag about scoring well!' shit. You mother fuckers have been claiming he was not mentally fit to be president since 2015, insisting you're not mad but actually amused that he beat the test is babbies first troll tactics.

Turning that into an article about how you can prove Trump is retarded by imagining him getting owned by an iq test you made up to humble brag, on the other hand, is fucking genius.
 
What I like is this 'lol look at him brag about scoring well!' shit. You mother fuckers have been claiming he was not mentally fit to be president since 2015, insisting you're not mad but actually amused that he beat the test is babbies first troll tactics.

Passing a test that proves you're literally just not demented isn't much of an achievement. Watching as Biden refuses to take it though is kind of funny. Tbh he actually is showing signs of impending dementia. Trump may be an idiot but he is the same idiot he was 20 years ago.
 
An idiot who got elected to the office of POTUS and has somehow not been a colossal fuckup like the last two guys...
 
The SAT pre the 1995 renorming basically WAS an IQ test. Do we have Trump's SAT score? If not, the SAT data pertaining to his college program would be available and would allow you to make some conservative estimates based on his position in the cohort. In any event I doubt anyone graduates from Wharton with much less than a two sigma IQ, so Trump is certainly smarter than the opinion writer.

BTW, the assessment may be laughably easy but if it's indeed sensitive to early signs of Alzheimer's, isn't that the appropriate test given what Trump is alleging of Biden?
He apparently paid someone to take it for him, according to his niece
 
He apparently paid someone to take it for him, according to his niece

Ah. From Googling, it appears that we don't know his SAT score anyway. But if he did cheat, it was clearly to make up for lacklustre grades because he clearly had the wherewithal to compete at Wharton. I am very much an IQ hardliner and have no patience for those who will not accept it is basically a hereditary and unchangeable thing but if Trump's life accomplishments aren't consistent with at least the two sigma IQ that his academic degrees would suggest I would think we would have to seriously ask ourselves some hard questions about the purpose of standardised testing.

By the way the lowest IQ I am aware of in a very successful scientist is the famous case of Richard Feynman's -- a 124 that was probably intentionally failed as a joke. Stephen Hawking, who is well-known for saying that people who brag about their IQs are losers, himself undertook the Stanford-Binet after receiving a head injury in order to make sure he hadn't lost too much cognitively: since he got no questions wrong we only know it was at least 160. I want to see a professional scientist or mathematician with a retard tier IQ, since the ability to solve basic problems and make trivial inferences apparently has nothing to do with academic ability and life accomplishment ...
 
If Trump is as stupid as these people claim, what does that say about the person that lost to him?

That hate is a good motivator to encourage voting.

You'd be surprised how many people over 60 have problems without knowing it, that soldier only onwards because their life is routine and they've been doing the same things for decades. Have people do that clock exercise, there were people in my medic class that said it was "too tough" because kids were used to digital. It takes abstraction on a few levels, and a declining form at that.

When you ignore discrete mental cognition skills for technology, you have problems.
 
I don't believe that result. Possibly he took it so drunk he couldn't see the test, though.

Feynman's biography is full of stories of him figuring things out in clever but replicable ways (the los Alamos safe-breaking stories are a great example) and then hiding all evidence of the foregoing and allowing everyone think he managed by pure wizardry. (Actually I can think of a lot of great minds who did the same -- hiding the discovery of a powerful method but using it to discover and publish astounding if isolated proofs). Having been so successful in life simply because he was a little smarter than his peers would have been too pedestrian for him IMO.

When you ignore discrete mental cognition skills for technology, you have problems.

No such thing any more than the brain has a special remembering-birthdays cortex or something.
 
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Ah. From Googling, it appears that we don't know his SAT score anyway. But if he did cheat, it was clearly to make up for lacklustre grades because he clearly had the wherewithal to compete at Wharton. I am very much an IQ hardliner and have no patience for those who will not accept it is basically a hereditary and unchangeable thing but if Trump's life accomplishments aren't consistent with at least the two sigma IQ that his academic degrees would suggest I would think we would have to seriously ask ourselves some hard questions about the purpose of standardised testing.

By the way the lowest IQ I am aware of in a very successful scientist is the famous case of Richard Feynman's -- a 124 that was probably intentionally failed as a joke. Stephen Hawking, who is well-known for saying that people who brag about their IQs are losers, himself undertook the Stanford-Binet after receiving a head injury in order to make sure he hadn't lost too much cognitively: since he got no questions wrong we only know it was at least 160. I want to see a professional scientist or mathematician with a retard tier IQ, since the ability to solve basic problems and make trivial inferences apparently has nothing to do with academic ability and life accomplishment ...
Prof Kelly at Wharton has said numerous times that Trump was the dumbest student he ever had
 
Palmer has a very big twitter account and likely gets a decent amount of money off the donations of fellow liberal passengers.

Donald Trump has had influence over the development of the world for decades thru his company and has held the wheel of the ship called America for 4 years.

This is a jester calling a king an idiot.
 
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