🐱 Donald Trump’s pitiful cognition test failure

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I can’t say I’ve had the Montreal Cognitive Assessment (MoCA) test administered to me, the one Donald Trump told Chris Wallace that he “aced,” but I have read through all the questions. It is laughably easy. I can’t imagine why anyone would brag about results from this particular test. Put another way, I could understand why someone would be embarrassed to admit they’d had it administered to them. It’s insulting and clearly intended to test people suspected of being cognitively disoriented or impaired. Look it up on the internet and I’m sure you will agree, it’s no Stanford-Binet IQ test.


The MoCA is, in effect, an extended cognitive orientation test. A crude form of the MoCA test is used by paramedics. How many fingers am I holding up? Who’s president of the United States? What day is this? And so on. It’s how they determine when a person is “oriented, times three” to person, place, and time. The MoCA is a cut above those questions in complexity and difficulty and subtlety, of course, but it is used to measure essentially the same thing, extent of cognitive impairment, if any.


I don’t mean to disparage the test. It’s useful for finding evidence of the early stages of Alzheimer’s and similar impairing disorders. But it does give one pause that it’s thought prudent by medical doctors to administer the test to the president of the United States, let alone that the president should brag about “acing it.”


MoCA was developed by Dr. Ziad Nasreddine in 1996. “This is not an IQ test,” Dr. Nasreddine said. “The test is supposed to help physicians detect early signs of Alzheimer’s, and it became very popular because it was a short test, and very sensitive for early impairment.”

As much as I detest Donald Trump, I found it painful to watch him crow about the test. Trump is a stupid man, but I don’t hold his stupidity against him. I hold his arrogance and his narcissism and his evil against him. But he was born with an unimpressive, second-rate mind. Intellectually he compares badly with everyone who was ever president of the United States, including George W. Bush and Warren G. Harding.


Most of us know instinctively that Trump isn’t very bright on any level, without being necessarily able to define exactly how or why they know it specifically. That is, Trump hasn’t or won’t take a real IQ test. But I think I may have stumbled on a way where you can administer your very own quasi-IQ test on him by way of a thought experiment. Everyone knows at least three bits of trivia that are fairly obscure, but not so obscure as to be wholly unknown by others. So I imagined asking both Donald Trump and Barack Obama the following three questions of my own: What is a differential equation? What is significant about “Bloomsday” in literature? And what does a classical musician mean when she refers to “the 48”? These are questions that specialists in the field of mathematics, literature and music could easily answer, but could not be necessarily easily answered by a person not specializing in any of those disciplines.

I think President Obama would probably know the answer to at least two of those questions, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he knew all three. I would be staggered if Trump came within shouting distance of answering any one of those questions. In fact, shouting is probably what would happen. I could imagine asking them of him and being shouted at and insulted for daring to ask, being told they were trick questions or even “fake” questions. We all know perfectly well in the easily accessible realm of our imaginations that Trump is a moron. Try this little thought experiment and prove it to yourself with obscure questions of your own. Like the MoCA, it’s a short but effective way of exposing an obvious reality.

I will even go further. I would bet Barack Obama could have told me a thing or two that I didn’t know about the three above questions, told me little fascinating or arcane details. But Barack Obama is a brilliant man, and it’s intuitively obvious. In the many ways Obama was qualified to be president of the United States, his compassion, his leadership, his experience, he was also intellectually qualified because he was brilliant. We were all truly blessed to have Barack Obama as the leader of the free world for one brief shining moment in our history.

I’ve never believed that Donald Trump was a “genius” in any sense of the idea, not even a specialised kind of genius or a “savant.” He is one of the most talent-bereft people I know. He’s even rubbish at his chosen field, real estate developer. There are a million reasons why Donald Trump is unfit to be president of the United States, and this has been another one. And, as ever, ladies and gentlemen, brothers and sisters, comrades and friends, stay safe.

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Its a dementia test at its core.
" The Montreal Cognitive Assessment is a 30-question test that tells whether a person shows signs of dementia. It is not meant to make a diagnosis, but studies have shown it is extremely reliable for predicting whether or not someone will be diagnosed with Alzheimer’s disease or another dementia. The test is intended to be administered and graded by a medical professional, who will then decide if more tests are necessary. Again, the MoCA is not a diagnostic tool, but rather an indicator that more tests are required. "

It's efficacy is 94% rate of getting accurate results and a score under 26 is considered at risk for dementia.
 
The SAT pre the 1995 renorming basically WAS an IQ test. Do we have Trump's SAT score? If not, the SAT data pertaining to his college program would be available and would allow you to make some conservative estimates based on his position in the cohort. In any event I doubt anyone graduates from Wharton with much less than a two sigma IQ, so Trump is certainly smarter than the opinion writer.

BTW, the assessment may be laughably easy but if it's indeed sensitive to early signs of Alzheimer's, isn't that the appropriate test given what Trump is alleging of Biden?

My SAT scores were amazing. Little did they know that for a fair few of the questions, my theory on correct answers was "well the last one was box A, so they wouldn't put two A's next to each other, that would make the test look strange. I will tick C, it feels like the test would put that one in place, looks better".
 
It's still early and I might be missing something, but did Donald Trump actually fail the test? Because the article seems to just be some guy harpiing on and on about how they assume he'd fail it, based off of guess work.
No, Trump passed the test according to him, and as far as we know he did pass. What he's harping on is some "thought experiment" for a "quasi-IQ test" where he takes three somewhat obscure questions and fantasizes that Obama would be able to answer at least two or three of them and maybe even tell him things he didn't know about them; while fantasizing that Trump would be unable to answer any of them and would just shout at him.
 
No, Trump passed the test according to him, and as far as we know he did pass. What he's harping on is some "thought experiment" for a "quasi-IQ test" where he takes three somewhat obscure questions and fantasizes that Obama would be able to answer at least two or three of them and maybe even tell him things he didn't know about them; while fantasizing that Trump would be unable to answer any of them and would just shout at him.
And it’s hilarious
 
Trump, having succeeded the test and his ancestors, has taken over the government, relying upon the king of kings, and Trump has vowed to God that, acting in accordance with the example of other presidents, Trump will endeavour to be a just and clement president, that Trump will encourage economic development and the fear of Hillary Clinton, that Trump will uphold peace and promote the welfare of the country, and, further, that Trump will strive to be a helper to the poor and oppressed and a faithful guardian of the economy.
 
As for the article, it is the "journalistic" equivalent of a shitpost. Trump isn't claiming he took an IQ test, and his boast of acing the test is not a claim of genius. He said he aced the test to show he has no cognitive impairment. Not to mention, he was being his usual sardonic self, throwing shade at Biden, inviting him to take it too.

I don't know why he bothered engaging at all. Not only do they lack a sense of humor, these people blatantly scouring every little thing he says, totally disinterested in discourse and merely listening in a vain endeavor to fabricate a "gotcha" at his expense. Kind of like what a lot of Kiwis tend to do.
 
This is absolutely and without a question the most retarded article I've ever read about Trump. Why the fuck is someone paid to write shit like this? To what end?
Gotta keep the hate machine going. Otherwise people might stop for a second and figure out that Orange Man isn't that bad.
 
My SAT scores were amazing. Little did they know that for a fair few of the questions, my theory on correct answers was "well the last one was box A, so they wouldn't put two A's next to each other, that would make the test look strange. I will tick C, it feels like the test would put that one in place, looks better".

You got lucky because it's random.
 
Holy shit, look at the other articles the author has written. This nigger literally does nothing but bitch about Trump. https://www.palmerreport.com/author/robert-harrington/

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Just a note on IQ tests generally.

Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences is well-known to be bullshit but what is true is that you can use factor analysis to find a broad range of dozens of subdomains (processing speed, short-term memory, long-term crystallised knowledge, sensory processing speed etc) that contribute to intelligence, with a high but not perfect correlation between factors. Surprisingly, Wikipedia has not edited the relevant articles yet in response to woke sensibilities: see here:


An experienced psychometrician or someone giving a neuropsychiatric assessment has a fairly good idea of how a test can be abbreviated without hurting reliability: this comes down to familiarity with the redundancies in the test, and certainly when testing someone of obviously high ability for a cognitive impairment, it may not be necessary to ask some of the simpler questions if they are doing well on all the difficult ones. Let me give two examples: there are ten question IQ tests that correlate to the extent of something like 0.95 with multi-hour IQ test batteries and I even saw a ten question vocabulary test that was almost (0.90) as good.

I suspect Trump was probably given a somewhat idiosyncratic version of the Montreal Cognitive Assessment -- some of the harder questions no doubt but then moving on to difficult questions derived from other sources within the tester's experience that would be more useful for tracking decline longitudinally. Even if Trump did have dementia he'd probably be smart enough to get every answer in the MoCA but it would be genuinely useful to know that there has been a sudden drop in his digit span or his ability to name however many animals in thirty seconds, or whatever. So I suspect Trump was being truthful when he said that the test was a difficult one since I am sure his tester was trying to define the limits of his ability as a baseline for the future.

It boggles the mind though that one can think the president (who is pretty cognitively robust TBH) would have trouble identifying an elephant.
 
The article is stupid, sure, but I'm still rolling over the fact that Trump treated passing a basic cognitive function test like it was some great achievement.
 
The article is stupid, sure, but I'm still rolling over the fact that Trump treated passing a basic cognitive function test like it was some great achievement.
It's one of his traps. A shit-talking point against Biden to get him to dance to his tune.
This is legitimately one of the things Trump is good at. Making his enemies do weird ass-covering moves.
 
It's one of his traps. A shit-talking point against Biden to get him to dance to his tune.
This is legitimately one of the things Trump is good at. Making his enemies do weird ass-covering moves.
Whatever you say. I used to be one of the people who thought he was just playing dumb and was actually playing 4d chess this whole time. Nowadays I'm not so sure.
 
It's still early and I might be missing something, but did Donald Trump actually fail the test? Because the article seems to just be some guy harpiing on and on about how they assume he'd fail it, based off of guess work.

Also, George Bush, better then Trump? Buddy, I don't know how much you payed attention during his presidency, but I grew up in the Bush era and let me tell, Bush is way worse then Trump. At least Trump hasn't started any wars for shit reasons, at least gas prices haven't spiked to over $4.00 in the matter of a few years. and while his handling of The Corona Virus has been...mediocre, I guarantee W probably wouldn't have mandated mask until half-way through September. But I don't blame Bush for too much of this, I mean, the guy was basically Dick Cheny's puppet for eight years, I mean, shit, you wanna talk evil, take one look at the shit Dick Cheny did.
Wasn't bush the handler for the CIA, y'know, in it's really bad years when it was raping, drugging, and pilfering from exclusively foreign, brown skinned folks? Thank athena's vulva they're exclusively harming americans now, those white devils deserve it.

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If anyone is curious, here is the test in question.

As for the article, it is the "journalistic" equivalent of a shitpost. Trump isn't claiming he took an IQ test, and his boast of acing the test is not a claim of genius. He said he aced the test to show he has no cognitive impairment. Not to mention, he was being his usual sardonic self, throwing shade at Biden, inviting him to take it too.

You'd think the left would get bored mocking Trump ten thousand times a day for four years; but they never do. That suggests cognitive impairment to me...
You'd be surprised how many people over 60 have problems without knowing it, that soldier only onwards because their life is routine and they've been doing the same things for decades. Have people do that clock exercise, there were people in my medic class that said it was "too tough" because kids were used to digital. It takes abstraction on a few levels, and a declining form at that.
 
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