Donald Trump indicted for second time: Sources

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Former President Donald Trump has been indicted for a second time, sources familiar confirm to ABC News.

In a statement on social media, Trump insisted the case was a "hoax." He has repeatedly denied wrongdoing.

He wrote on social media Thursday that he is "INNOCENT."

This is a developing story. Please check back for updates.

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Former President Trump has been indicted on federal charges that emerged out of Special Counsel Jack Smith’s months-long investigation.

Trump facing at least seven federal counts related to document handling and obstruction of justice. He has been ordered to appear in federal court in Miami on Tuesday.

Trump himself announced the indictment on his social media platform, Truth Social.

"The corrupt Biden Administration has informed my attorneys that I have been Indicted, seemingly over the Boxes Hoax, even though Joe Biden has 1850 Boxes at the University of Delaware, additional Boxes in Chinatown, D.C., with even more Boxes at the University of Pennsylvania, and documents strewn all over his garage floor where he parks his Corvette, and which is "secured" by only a garage door that is paper thin, and open much of the time," Trump said on Truth Social.

Trump said he has "been summoned to appear at the Federal Courthouse in Miami on Tuesday, at 3 PM."

This is the second time Trump has been indicted this year. Trump pleaded not guilty in April after being charged by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in the first degree.
"I never thought it possible that such a thing could happen to a former President of the United States, who received far more votes than any sitting President in the History of our Country, and is currently leading, by far, all Candidates, both Democrat and Republican, in Polls of the 2024 Presidential Election," Trump posted. "I AM AN INNOCENT MAN!"

Trump added: "This is indeed a DARK DAY for the United States of America. We are a Country in serious and rapid Decline, but together we will Make America Great Again!"

Smith was appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland in November 2022 to investigate Trump’s alleged improper retention of classified records at his Mar-a-Lago home.

The Justice Department had been investigating the matter after the FBI conducted an unprecedented raid on his private residence in August 2022.

NARA told Congress in February 2022 that Trump took 15 boxes of presidential records to his personal residence in Florida. NARA recovered the 15 boxes from Mar-a-Lago and "identified items marked as classified national security information within the boxes." The matter was referred to the Justice Department by NARA.

Those boxes allegedly contained "classified national security information," and official correspondence between Trump and foreign heads of state.

Classified material that was reportedly confiscated by the FBI during the FBI's raid in August included a letter to Trump from former President Obama, a letter from Kim Jong Un, a birthday dinner menu and a cocktail napkin.
Trump last year said the National Archives did not "find" the documents, but that they were "given, upon request." Sources close to the former president said he had been cooperating and there was "no need" for the raid.

The affidavit said that the FBI's investigation had "established that documents bearing classification markings, which appear to contain National Defense Information (NDI), were among the materials contained" in the 15 boxes Trump initially turned over to the NARA.

"A preliminary triage of the documents with classification markings revealed the following approximate numbers: 184 unique documents bearing classification markings, including 67 documents marked as CONFIDENTIAL, 92 documents marked as SECRET, and 25 documents marked as TOP SECRET," the affidavit states.

The FBI said it had "probable cause to believe" that additional records containing classified information, including National Defense Information, would be found on the premises of Mar-a-Lago home, beyond what he had previously turned over to the NARA, according to the unsealed and heavily-redacted affidavit used to justify the raid.

According to the property receipt from the Aug. 8, 2022 FBI raid, FBI agents took approximately 20 boxes of items from the premises, including one set of documents marked as "Various classified/TS/SCI documents," which refers to top secret/sensitive compartmented information.

Records covered by that government classification level could potentially include human intelligence and information that, if disclosed, could jeopardize relations between the U.S. and other nations, as well as the lives of intelligence operatives abroad. However, the classification also encompasses national security information related to the daily operations of the president of the United States.

The property receipt also showed that FBI agents collected four sets of top secret documents, three sets of secret documents and three sets of confidential documents, but the document does not reveal any details about any of those records.

The government conducted the search in response to what it believed to be a violation of federal laws: 18 USC 793 — gathering, transmitting or losing defense information; 18 USC 2071 — concealment, removal or mutilation; and 18 USC 1519 — destruction, alteration or falsification of records in federal investigations.

The allegation of "gathering, transmitting or losing defense information" falls under the Espionage Act.

The indictment comes after classified records were also discovered in President Biden’s office at the Penn Biden Center last year. Those records were from his time as vice president during the Obama administration and from his tenure in the U.S. Senate.

At the time, Garland initially chose U.S. Attorney John Lausch to conduct a review of classified records that were discovered at the Penn Biden Center. In December, more classified records were found at Biden’s Wilmington, Delaware home, but the discoveries were not made public until this year.

Garland later appointed U.S. Attorney Robert Hur as special counsel to investigate Biden’s improper retention of classified records. Hur took over the DOJ investigation from Lausch.

Meanwhile, classified records were also found at former Vice President Mike Pence’s home in Indiana.

Fox News reported last week that the Justice Department had completed its investigation in the matter and that Pence will not be charged.

The status of Biden’s special counsel investigation is unclear.

Smith also took over the Justice Department’s investigation into the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021. In that role, he examined whether Trump or other officials interfered with the peaceful transfer of power following the 2020 presidential election, including the certification of the Electoral College vote on that day.

The White House declined comment.
 
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Oxyjen said:
So much cope. You’re gonna have a witness statement from Trump’s personal butler or whatever the fuck, saying he personally stacked the boxes after trump told him what to stash where, and he wrote that on the boxes in sharpie. And texts and corroborating statements. And CCTV footage showing him doing it.

As bang to rights as you can possibly get, along with Trump being on tape waving Top Secret marked documents around in front of a journalist and saying “I’m not allowed to have these lol, I’m breaking the law”.

Apparently observing the facts and drawing obvious conclusions is “derangement”, and the rational thing to do here is ignore all that and scream about those evil law enforcement people up to their dirty tricks, and the lying fake news Jew media.
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The only reason why one side isn't taking action against the other side when they very well could is because we'd become a true banana republic where both sides lock up their political opponents over bullshit. See China, Russia, and Latin America.

The FBI has always been political, first they leaned right, and now they have went full left wing. Have you been keeping up with the Matt Taibbi leaks? They reveal how the FBI are borderline democrat lackeys in this point of time.

After how many cases against Trump went up in smoke you have to say at a certain point it's political prosecution. Once it happens this time, what will you have to say then? "Oh we will get him next time!" If so, is it really fair to say that we are the ones who are brainwashed?
 
ClackAlAcka said:
After how many cases against Trump went up in smoke you have to say at a certain point it's political prosecution. Once it happens this time, what will you have to say then? "Oh we will get him next time!" If so, is it really fair to say that we are the ones who are brainwashed?
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He has been criminally charged one time before, and the trial hasn’t happened yet. I’m not sure where you get “many cases went up in smoke” from.

There’s the NY tax fraud thing (which is weak, whatever, but he did do it).
There’s the Georgia election interference - charges not brought yet.
And this, which I consider to be the most serious crime, and he’s basically confessed to it.

It’s not persecution to be prosecuted if you do a crime. Trump thinks he is above the law, and so do his supporters, that’s all.

I mean look at this larping faggot:

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The president of El Salvador put it best when he said " It’ll be very hard for US Foreign Policy to use arguments such as 'democracy' and 'free and fair elections', or try to condemn 'political persecution' in other countries, from now on."
 
GamerGateSurvivor said:
The president of El Salvador put it best when he said " It’ll be very hard for US Foreign Policy to use arguments such as 'democracy' and 'free and fair elections', or try to condemn 'political persecution' in other countries, from now on."
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Ironically, humanity's hope to get rid of woke is the rest of the world rejecting it.
 
Oxyjen said:
He has been criminally charged one time before, and the trial hasn’t happened yet. I’m not sure where you get “many cases went up in smoke” from.

There’s the NY tax fraud thing (which is weak, whatever, but he did do it).
There’s the Georgia election interference - charges not brought yet.
And this, which I consider to be the most serious crime, and he’s basically confessed to it.

It’s not persecution to prosecuted if you do a crime. Trump thinks he is above the law, and so do his supporters, that’s all.

I mean look at this larping faggot:

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You claim you don't like Biden and you don't like Trump. So that means you aren't voting. You should just STFU and stop talking politics.
 
Trump allies cite Clinton email probe to attack classified records case. There are big differences
Associated Press (archive.ph)
By Eric Tucker
2023-06-11 17:05:40GMT

WASHINGTON (AP) — As former President Donald Trump prepares for a momentous court appearance Tuesday on charges related to the hoarding of top-secret documents, Republican allies are amplifying, without evidence, claims that he is the target of a political prosecution.

To press their case, Trump’s backers are citing the Justice Department’s decision in 2016 not to bring charges against former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, his Democratic opponent in that year’s presidential race, over her handling of classified information. His supporters also are invoking a separate classified documents investigation concerning President Joe Biden to allege a two-tier system of justice that is punishing Trump, the undisputed early front-runner for the GOP’s 2024 White House nomination, for conduct that Democrats have engaged in.

“Is there a different standard for a Democratic secretary of state versus a former Republican president?” said Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Trump primary rival. “I think there needs to be one standard of justice in this country.”

But those arguments overlook abundant factual and legal differences — chiefly relating to intent, state of mind and deliberate acts of obstruction — that limit the value of any such comparisons.

A look at the Clinton, Biden and Trump investigations and what separates them:

WHAT DID CLINTON DO?
Clinton relied on a private email system for the sake of convenience during her time as the Obama administration’s top diplomat. That decision came back to haunt her when, in 2015, the intelligence agencies’ internal watchdog alerted the FBI to the presence of potentially hundreds of emails containing classified information.

FBI investigators would ultimately conclude that Clinton sent and received emails containing classified information on that unclassified system, including information classified at the top-secret level.

Of the roughly 30,000 emails turned over by Clinton’s representatives, the FBI has said, 110 emails in 52 email chains were found to have classified information, including some at the top-secret level.

After a roughly yearlong inquiry, the FBI closed out the investigation in July 2016, finding that Clinton did not intend to break the law. The bureau reopened the inquiry months later, 11 days before the presidential election, after discovering a new batch of emails. After reviewing those communications, the FBI again opted against recommending charges.

WHAT IS TRUMP ACCUSED OF DOING?
The indictment filed by Justice Department special counsel Jack Smith alleges that when Trump left the White House after his term ended in January 2021, he took hundreds of classified documents with him to his Florida estate, Mar-a-Lago — and then repeatedly impeded efforts by the government he once oversaw to get the records back.

The material that Trump retained, prosecutors say, related to American nuclear programs, weapons and defense capabilities of the United States and foreign countries and potential vulnerabilities to an attack — information that, if exposed, could jeopardize the safety of the military and human sources.

Beyond just the hoarding of documents — in locations including a bathroom, ballroom, shower and his bedroom — the Justice Department says Trump showed highly sensitive material to visitors who without security clearances and obstructed the FBI by, among other things, directing a personal aide who was charged alongside him to move boxes around Mar-a-Lago to conceal them from investigators.

Though Trump and his allies have claimed he could do with the documents as he pleased under the Presidential Records Act, the indictment makes short shrift of that argument and does not once reference that statute.

All told, the indictment includes 37 felony counts against Trump, most under an Espionage Act pertaining to the willful retention of national defense information.

WHAT SEPARATES THE CLINTON AND TRUMP CASES?
A lot, but two important differences are in willfulness and obstruction.

In an otherwise harshly critical assessment in which he condemned Clinton’s email practices as “extremely careless,” then-FBI Director James Comey announced that investigators had found no clear evidence that Clinton or her aides had intended to break laws governing classified information.

As a result, he said, “no reasonable prosecutor” would move forward with a case. The relevant Espionage Act cases brought by the Justice Department over the past century, Comey said, all involved factors including efforts to obstruct justice, willful mishandling of classified documents and the exposure of vast quantities of records. None of those factors existed in the Clinton investigation, he said.

That is in direct contrast to the allegations against Trump, who prosecutors say was involved in the packing of boxes to go to Mar-a-Lago and then actively took steps to conceal the classified documents from investigators.

The indictment accuses him, for instance, of suggesting that a lawyer hide documents demanded by a Justice Department subpoena or falsely represent that all requested records had been turned over, even though more than 100 remained.

The indictment repeatedly cites Trump’s own words against him to make the case that he understood what he was doing and what the law did and did not permit him to do. It describes a July 2021 meeting at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, which he showed off a Pentagon “plan of attack” to people without the security clearances to view the material and proclaimed that “as president, I could have declassified it.”

“Now I can’t, you know, but this is still a secret,” the indictment quotes him as saying.

That conversation, captured by an audio recording, is likely to be a powerful piece of evidence to the extent that it undercuts Trump’s oft-repeated claims that he had declassified the documents he brought with him to Mar-a-Lago.

WHERE DOES BIDEN FIT IN?
The White House disclosed in January that, two months earlier, a lawyer for Biden had located what it said was a “small number” of classified documents from his time as vice president during a search of the Washington office space of Biden’s former institute. The documents were turned over to the Justice Department.

Lawyers for Biden subsequently located an additional batch of classified documents at Biden’s home in Wilmington, Delaware, and the FBI found even more during a voluntary search of the property.

The revelations were a humbling setback for Biden’s efforts to draw a clear contrast between his handling of sensitive information and Trump’s. Even so, as with Clinton, there are significant differences in the matters.

Though Attorney General Merrick Garland in January named a second special counsel to investigate the Biden documents, no charges have been brought and, so far at least, no evidence has emerged to suggest that anyone intentionally moved classified documents or tried to impede the probe.

While the FBI obtained a search warrant last August to recover additional classified documents, each of the Biden searches has been done voluntarily with his team’s consent.

The Justice Department, meanwhile, notified Trump’s vice president, Mike Pence, earlier this month that it would not bring charges after the discovery of classified documents in his Indiana home. That case also involved no allegations of willful retention or obstruction.
 
CuzinEd said:
You claim you don't like Biden and you don't like Trump. So that means you aren't voting. You should just STFU and stop talking politics.
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Well no not quite. He is a complete retard and a faggot and a NPC but that isn't quite what he said. Hating both doesn't mean he won't just lie to himself and claim it is "fo' democracy" when he goes Blue No Matter Who.
 
Something from Ben Garrison.

This is all political. FBI is the American KGB, believe any doubts have been put to rest.

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General Emílio Médici said:
This time they wanna do it over his "classified documents" in Mar-a-Lago.

Because Biden having a literal garage full of them he took while he was VP without authorization to declassify isn't a problem, but Orange Man keeping shit he declassified under lock and key is.
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Except Trump was showing off his stuff to potential donors and staffers and refused to give anything back when asked and then bragged on tape about hiding it...... Like a fucking moron. Oh and saying "yeah I COULD have declassified these but I didn't".... What the everliving FUCK

He's fucked, although a Florida jury won't convict.

37 felony charges isn't some real estate valuation or hush money bullshit.

Another example of Trump fucking himself.... Continually. Just like 80% of his staff picks during his presidency, or at least the first 18 months of it. He fucking picks morons that fellate his ego and then they betray him or are fucking morons who can't do a job, but hey, it's OK they made his ego feel good.

This Tuesday is going to be nuts.
 
Falcos_Commisar said:
Except Trump was showing off his stuff to potential donors and staffers and refused to give anything back when asked and then bragged on tape about hiding it...... Like a fucking moron. Oh and saying "yeah I COULD have declassified these but I didn't".... What the everliving FUCK

He's fucked, although a Florida jury won't convict.

37 felony charges isn't some real estate valuation or hush money bullshit.

Another example of Trump fucking himself.... Continually. Just like 80% of his staff picks during his presidency, or at least the first 18 months of it. He fucking picks morons that fellate his ego and then they betray him or are fucking morons who can't do a job, but hey, it's OK they made his ego feel good.

This Tuesday is going to be nuts.
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Yes . . . I'm sure they totally have him this time! The walls are closing in for sure!

But really how in the hell do people keep falling for this bread and circus bullshit?
 
Some Dumb Faggot said:
Yes . . . I'm sure they totally have him this time! The walls are closing in for sure!

But really how in the hell do people keep falling for this bread and circus bullshit?
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Even the The Onion mocked these claims, and all the way back in 2016.
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In an otherwise harshly critical assessment in which he condemned Clinton’s email practices as “extremely careless,” then-FBI Director James Comey announced that investigators had found no clear evidence that Clinton or her aides had intended to break laws governing classified information.

As a result, he said, “no reasonable prosecutor” would move forward with a case. The relevant Espionage Act cases brought by the Justice Department over the past century, Comey said, all involved factors including efforts to obstruct justice, willful mishandling of classified documents and the exposure of vast quantities of records. None of those factors existed in the Clinton investigation, he said.
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Oh, fuck off with this shit, AP. We have it from the OIG report that the FBI investigators laughed about the Clinton staffers destroying potential evidence. There was never any serious attempt to investigate her, and you assholes probably don't know it because you never bother to read anything that conflicts with your own biases.
 
Trump's a cuck for not pardoning the J6 boomers and for not keeping his campaign promisses (lock her up? drain the swamp?). In fact, those things are biting him in the ass right now.

That said, I want to see him win his second term just so the hard left seethe and neck themselves. Besides, all the other GOP candidates look like controlled oposition.
 
They're really trying everything to avoid being forced to fortify harder than ever next year.
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They were in the bathroom! He hates America so much he was using our most precious secrets as toilet paper!
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Redditors are truly the most nigger cattle of all nigger cattle if they can't realize that glowniggers taking these photos from that raid all did it with PR in mind. Of course they probably don't believe the DoJ and Feds could even remotely be partisan agents working on behalf the DNC.
 
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clipartfan92 said:
In an otherwise harshly critical assessment in which he condemned Clinton’s email practices as “extremely careless,” then-FBI Director James Comey announced that investigators had found no clear evidence that Clinton or her aides had intended to break laws governing classified information.
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I didn't realize that ignorance of the law was a valid excuse. Besides, the FBI said that even though they gave Clinton a pass they said it shouldn't set a precedent for future similar cases. I really should find that bit from the press conference when I have a moment.
 
I've skimmed the indictment. My first impressions:
  1. They misuse the word "comprised" in the first paragraph of the introduction. Parts don't comprise the whole, the whole comprises all its parts.
  2. They have access to his employees' texts and and his billing records, but not the contents of phone calls. If they ever suspected Trump was a foreign agent (as the media speculated), they would have had him under a FISA warrant and they'd have transcripts of all his phone calls from 12:01 PM January 20th. That didn't happen.
  3. Trump himself evidently doesn't send texts. The lack of written directions, and the confusion evident among his employees, could make it difficult to establish intent.
  4. Sharing classified information:
    1. Trump had a conversation with staffers and writers, where he let them see (but evidently not study) a classified document that thought disproved [Senior Military Official's] narrative that Trump was unhinged and going to order an attack on a specific country. He acknowledges that it cannot be used publicly because it'd have to be declassified. It seems his intent in retaining this document was to correct the record after the military establishment lied to and about him, but he didn't think this all the way through and ultimately stopped short of leaking it. I think it meets the elements of the statute, but falls short of the prosecution standard described by Comey after he investigated Clinton.
    2. On another occasion, he showed a PAC staffer a classified map of a foreign country but told him not to get too close. It's not made clear why he brought the document to the meeting.
    3. His sharing of classified information, while illegal, IMHO was not as irresponsible as GEN Petraeus giving information to his mistress for her book. Just an interesting point of comparison.
  5. They are very careful to refer to "documents with classification markings" and not "classified documents." This may be noteworthy for several reasons:
    1. Some of them could have been declassified by Trump prior to their removal. This wouldn't necessarily get him out of hot water, but it would lower the temperature. Trump's testimony that he declassified them would be sufficient evidence that they had been declassified, if a jury believes him.
    2. The presence of a classification marking on a sheet of paper does not necessarily mean classified information is present. Government workers, in general, are neither conscientious nor particularly skilled with office software. If they're compiling a 300 page report with a single TS//NF sentence, they'll use the TS//NF Word Template and every page will say "TOP SECRET//NOFORN" at the top and bottom.
    3. Irrespective of classification markings, Trump can argue the documents were not properly classified. A mandatory declassification review might determine some of the information wasn't classified to begin with, or was classified at the wrong level. This is another thing that might lower the temperature.
  6. One of Trump's former attorney's relates the "sum and substance" of statements Trump made to him after receiving a subpoena. It's clear Trump wasn't happy about the subpoena, and he ran through alternative courses of action, asking what would be the penalties for not complying. I don't know about legal ethics, but maybe people should be allowed to have these conversations with their lawyers, and the conversation not be used as evidence against them?
  7. The indictment lays out a series of events arranged to show Trump and his body man conspiring to hide some boxes from his lawyer, causing the lawyer to make an unwitting false certification that all the boxes had been reviewed for classified documents. This is the Bad Thing. If true, I'm disappointed in the GEOTUS. He should know it's not the crime, it's the coverup.
  8. As part of the conspiracy theory, one of the lawyers says Trump told him to find bad documents and made a plucking motion with his hand. The implication is that the bad documents were to be plucked out and hidden or destroyed, but it could just as easily mean "pull them out and prepare them for delivery to NARA."
Any media discussion of classified information or espionage is going to exaggerate things and misuse technical terminology. While the unauthorized release of classified information presumably causes damage to national security, in fact there must be a damage assessment to determine whether or not any damage actually occurred. If someone from CIA testifies that an agent was killed, or NSA says a source was shut down, that would be bad for Trump. If there was no intent to harm the US/benefit a foreign country, and no evidence that any harm actually occurring, things are a little better for Trump.

The best comparisons I can think of are Petraeus and Sandy Berger, who stole classified documents from the National Archives and destroyed them (or loaded them in dead drops, his actions are very confusing). Petraeus paid a $100k fine and served two years probation. Berger paid a $10k find and lost his security clearance for three years; being part of the Clinton clique, he was never in serious jeopardy. But they will push to have Trump drawn and quartered.
 
General Emílio Médici said:
Well no not quite. He is a complete retard and a faggot and a NPC but that isn't quite what he said. Hating both doesn't mean he won't just lie to himself and claim it is "fo' democracy" when he goes Blue No Matter Who.
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Well I covered that. I said he is just pretending to not like Biden so he seems reasonable. Gosh guys Biden sure is bad but isn't Trump just as bad? Like one of those anti-SJW SJW faggots. It's a not new strategy. Pretend to be reasonable in attempt to get people to side with you.

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