Donald Rumsfeld is dead at 88 - Liberals rejoice

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Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld gestures during a joint press conference with Russia's Minister of Defense at the Pentagon on January 11, 2005, in Arlington, Virginia.

Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has died at the age of 88, according to a statement from his family.
No cause of death was immediately provided.

"It is with deep sadness that we share the news of the passing of Donald Rumsfeld, an American statesman and devoted husband, father, grandfather and great grandfather. At 88, he was surrounded by family in his beloved Taos, New Mexico," the Rumsfeld family said in a statement.

"History may remember him for his extraordinary accomplishments over six decades of public service, but for those who knew him best and whose lives were forever changed as a result, we will remember his unwavering love for his wife Joyce, his family and friends, and the integrity he brought to a life dedicated to country."

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Nykysnottrans said:
Here's some more for you ADD zoomers with short attention spans:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=dNY1Ew-bbbc
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That whole movie, The Unknown Known, is certainly worth watching if only for its ability to convey the banality of evil.

I'm a huge Errol Morris fan, The Fog of War is probably the best documentary ever made. Among his three "interview with figures reviled by the left" (McNamara, Rumsfeld, Bannon), the Rumsfeld movie is certainly the weakest, probably because Rumsfeld is the least interesting. McNamara is unquestionably an incredibly smart and engaging individual, despite his engagements with evil he nevertheless has some sense of moral vision and a higher calling to statecraft that is severely lacking in our political elites. Steve Bannon is a very sad and pathetic individual loaded with contradictory ideas, but has at least the honesty to tell that something has gone wrong with our society and radical action is needed to turn it around. Rumsfeld, though, was as political, bureaucratic, anti-introspective, and venal as they come. He is clearly ashamed of his actions during the Bush administration, but has somehow convinced himself that is was all worth it in the end. See his statements on Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay, and you can see someone rationalizing the unjustifiable in real-time. And unlike the other two, he was frankly a pretty dull individual.
 
Nykysnottrans said:
For any zoomers looking at this thread going "Who the fuck is this and why does every Gen Xer on this board seem to hate him so much", he was the one responsible for this at the beginning of the War on Terror:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=xPtkpH1EUag
He's mainly known for the known unknowns:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=REWeBzGuzCc
Here's some more for you ADD zoomers with short attention spans:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=dNY1Ew-bbbc
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The "known unknowns" thing is actually a very insightful statement about the nature of knowledge that I think a lot of people skim over because "hurr durr what is the glasses man saying?! LOL that doesn't make sense!"
 
Exorbital Columnations said:
The "known unknowns" thing is actually a very insightful statement about the nature of knowledge that I think a lot of people skim over because "hurr durr what is the glasses man saying?! LOL that doesn't make sense!"
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It's one of those things that falls under "technically true but also bullshit".

There needs to be a word for that. Maybe some kind of German compound word.
 
TheProdigalStunna said:
Rumsfeld, though, was as political, bureaucratic, anti-introspective, and venal as they come. He is clearly ashamed of his actions during the Bush administration, but has somehow convinced himself that is was all worth it in the end. See his statements on Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay, and you can see someone rationalizing the unjustifiable in real-time. And unlike the other two, he was frankly a pretty dull individual.
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It's cool though, he apologized (for getting caught)
 
All Cops Are Based said:
Far from a good guy, but I still hate all the redditors celebrating right now more.
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In the year of our Lord 2021 A.D., there are still people who defend the Iraq War to own the libs.

MrJokerRager said:
The idiot SJWs probably rehabilitated him as he was on Colbert a couple of months ago.
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The Dems are desperately trying to absorb the "moderate" Republicans. Unlucky for them, Rumsfeld ensorsed Trump the first time. And he hopped on the Trump Train early.

Trivia: Trump was, at the time, the oldest person to run for POTUS, and Rumsfeld was the oldest sitting SecDef. Boomer solidarity.
 
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Exorbital Columnations said:
The "known unknowns" thing is actually a very insightful statement about the nature of knowledge that I think a lot of people skim over because "hurr durr what is the glasses man saying?! LOL that doesn't make sense!"
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I agree. Known unknows is an eloquent phrase that explains very complicated concept in just two words. Sadly you need at least two activated almonds to understand the concept. For a good example of known unknown go ask your local physicist why mass attracts mass.
 
Homersexual said:
I agree. Known unknows is an eloquent phrase that explains very complicated concept in just two words. Sadly you need at least two activated almonds to understand the concept. For a good example of known unknown go ask your local physicist why mass attracts mass.
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He gave us this great moment in the boondocks

 
Exorbital Columnations said:
The "known unknowns" thing is actually a very insightful statement about the nature of knowledge that I think a lot of people skim over because "hurr durr what is the glasses man saying?! LOL that doesn't make sense!"
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There's a number of quotes, especially from the Republicans, that get held up as the epitome of idiocy when they actually make sense, or at least in context aren't as stupid. Things like Trump's 'very fine people', Romney's 'binders full of women', even to a certain extent that Alaskan guy's 'the internet is a series of tubes' - all, like the 'unknown unknowns' quote from Rumsfeld were mocked relentlessly, all not as bad as they were made to sound.

I have absolutely no love for Rumsfeld. Couldn't stand him, not sad he's dead. But making the point that there's a difference between things we're aware we don't know - for example, 'there's troops in this city but we don't know how many', - vs. things we aren't aware we don't know - 'we had no idea until afterwards that they had tanks and anti-aircraft missiles rather than just some guys with guns' - is a valid thing to point out, especially in regards to a war situation.

It's an interesting thing that I notice more the left doing, but it's hardly restricted to them, and that's not dealing with the actual terrible shit their opposition is up to. Instead they're focussing it all on one phrase or comment, taken out of context to sound ridiculous/evil/uninformed. Sadly, it's likely just the human nature of the pithy statement being much easier to engage people with than the messy, complicated truth - eg memes. But with someone like Rumsfeld, there is just so much you could validly criticise him for, but instead they drilled down on this one quote that makes sense if you actually bother to parse it.
 
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