Dog breeds and extinction after collapse

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Prokhor Zakharov said:
You realize that statement makes no sense. The next generation after the 1st would have the 1st as parents. Given that you would see hybrid vigor in the first hybridization, you can't say "even worse" because the hybrids are better. Did you mean relative to the grandparents? If so, the argument is not that simple. It depends on if one is still outcrossing, backcrossing, etc... Also you have to define the measurements used to determine "worse". It's a complex argument that can't be easily reduced to simple generalities as is usually seen in the first hybrid generation.
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You don't realize or understand that you can't cheat biology.
Hybrid vigor exists because genes for growth etc. are being duplicated and not inactivated. Best examples are ligers that have no limit to growth and they die because of it. They are bigger than parents and yet they can't get their dick up and make viable offspring.

Let me dumb this down for you:
Parent: F1 M1 (OG parents that aren't gay)
Offspring: H1 H2 H3 H4 (Hybrid litter)
We introduce new dogs F2 and M2
Offspring with: H1F2 or H2M2 will always be weaker than H1 or H2 or even F1 or M1.

Hybrid vigor lasts for ONE generation only. That's why we use it for our crops and we don't reuse the seeds from the harvest.
Everything abnormal is abhored by nature.
Size of animals is determined by food availability and not magic.
Hybrids suffer from lot of health issues due to overgrowth of their basic biological functions - heart failures, back problems and so on.
 
Baguette Child said:
Based on firsthand experience, the Australian cattledog (please don't confuse with the Australian Shep) is a robust livestock guard breed in a small resource-efficient package. They have stamina for days, are eminently trainable if you start at an appropriate age, consume less food than larger breeds, and have the proper drive to be trusted with rounding and protection tasks even in absence of a handler.


Mine have gone above and beyond to repel predatory threats as large as black bear, often when I was away from home and my herd of goats would have otherwise been vulnerable. I've had several and they've all been healthy, hardy, and easily put on task. Yes; a larger breed would have more combative capacity. But they also require pounds more of feed a week compared to the cattledog, which is a very important concern when I have to potentially supply nutrition for myself and every living animal in my care.
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Cattle dogs are incredible; loyal, and intelligent. They will absolutely fuck up a person if they threaten their owner as well.
I'd also add Malinois to the list.
 
Any police dog. German Shepards, Belgian Malinois, even Poodles if we're getting desperate.

The smarter, the better. Trainability, especially in regards to self-defense, would be an incredibly important factor that's worth preserving. Not going to touch on purebred health issues here because at this point I don't think you can find many purebreeds without crippling health issues and mutts are a whole different bag of issues, but assuming that all the dogs were as healthy as possible I'd go for these guys 100%.

Additional shoutouts to most herding dogs for being invaluable on farms and generally very smart.

Shroom King said:
Something tells me a lot of pitbulls will get shot on sight the second the power goes out.
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counterpoint: if you had a toddler-mauler at your disposal and a desire for power in a world where might makes right, why would you ever let anyone touch those things? Especially given the demographics of pitbull owners, I fear there would only be more of them after the collapse lol. Mastiffs too, but I doubt they're as easy to come by so maybe not?
 
Anonitolia said:
Additional shoutouts to most herding dogs for being invaluable on farms and generally very smart.
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Dogs are a dumbed version of the wolves with OCD or other mental issues.

"According to the results published in the journal Evolution, wolves have an average brain volume of 131 cm3, associated with an average body weight of 31 kg. In the case of dogs in a similar weight category, the brain volume is only about three-quarters of that, approximately 100 cm3. This confirms that domestication has also led to a decrease in brain size in dogs. However, what surprised researchers is that the further a dog breed is genetically distant from wolves, the larger its relative brain size becomes. Contrary to expectations, the original role of the breeds, average litter size, and life expectancy are independent of brain size."

"These findings are supported by research indicating that ancient breeds known for their independence are less attentive to human cues and bark less, thus exhibiting differences in visual and acoustic communication compared to modern breeds."

Our breeding of pigeons has been devastating to them. They used to be smart birds and they haven't recovered their intelligence after domestication even 200 years later.
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"On average, this value is about 1410 cm3 (~6 cups) for Neanderthals and 1350 cm3 (5.7 cups) for recent humans."

Domesticated humans are nothing to their "wild" relatives and if you see the Homo Americanus, it's not getting better
 
Shroom King said:
Something tells me a lot of pitbulls will get shot on sight the second the power goes out.
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Wild dogs are a common theme of post-apocalyptic games and movies. In the games they are often low level enemies.

However, in real life we will probably have hordes of dozens of pitbulls that can tear apart cars running around. They will basically be the deathclaws of our world if things fall apart.
 
Dogs that'll survive the collapse
  • German shepherds
  • Belgian Malinois
  • Bloodhounds
  • Labradors
Basically, if you see government agencies use them they'll stick around because they'll still serve purposes. In a true collapse your average 20lb mutt is going to get abandoned or ate most of the time. Cities like Detroit and Baltimore are going to crawling with roving packs of "Pitt Mixes" that'll eat alive anything not strapped.
 
Crex Crex said:
Breeds? Just get mutts. They have hybrid vigor, compared to purebreds, and live longer
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I have to agree with this. Every dog i've ever had from a child to now as an adult as been a mutt rescue. Never had health problems out of any of them. My current dog is a GSD rescue and she has had a lot of issues that I didn't even know could happen. Like, did you know dogs could be allergic to chicken? How is that possible? I have to meal prep her food using ground beef as a base every week because Farmers Dog is insanely expensive to feed a 90lbs dog.
 
for me i'd be making my own breed. ive got it in my mind that a border collie, GSD, and airedale mix would be grand. kind of similar to a lurcher, which mixes the high intelligence of pastural dogs like collies with the speed and hunting ability of sight hounds.
my over all idea is a well rounded farm dog/woods dog. one that can help a bit with herding larger stock (collie), can help guard and maintain property lines (GSD), and can help me flush and run down game in the woods (airedale). that and having a dog closer to a GSD with a wire-ish coat would be really nice for maintaining its coat.
 
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