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Does Gen Z have a transphobia problem?

It’s often assumed that all young people are ultra-progressive – but this isn’t always the case

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Does Gen Z have a transphobia problem?

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There are a lot of stereotypes about Gen Z. We all hate working. We’re brain-dead TikTok addicts. We like to eat Tide pods and chicken stewed in cough syrup. Some are more positive, admittedly: it’s often assumed that we all support social justice issues like the fight for trans rights, the Black Lives Matter movement and climate justice. But is there really any truth in any of these big, sweeping assumptions? Can we really claim to generalise about a demographic that makes up nearly 20 per cent of the UK population?

There is research to suggest that Gen Z genuinely are the most progressive generation. 77 per cent of all young voters went for progressive parties in the 2019 election. Nearly half of young Brits believe systemic racism is a major problem facing the UK. When it comes to trans rights, research from the More in Common think tank found that 62 per cent of Gen Z agreed with the statement “trans men are men, trans women are women”.

This isn’t particularly surprising. “This is a very common pattern for emerging social issues – where it’s not an issue many will have thought about even in the relatively recent past, but the increased profile and focus will increase awareness and understanding over time,” Professor Bobby Duffy, author of Generations: Does When You’re Born Shape Who You Are? tells Dazed. He explains that younger generations are often quicker to embrace changes in social attitudes as they’re more “malleable in their thinking”. As Duffy says, being more receptive to progressive beliefs isn’t really a ‘Gen Z’ thing, though – it’s a ‘young person’ thing. Nowadays, for instance, baby boomers are often perceived as stubborn and regressive (see also: the ‘OK boomer’ meme). But when they were young, they were champions of social justice issues of their time, such as the anti-war movement and sexual liberation.

Of course, it’s erroneous to suggest that every single young person in the 60s and 70s spent their time shagging, protesting and swanning around in bell-sleeve mini-dresses. Equally, it’s a bit of an overblown claim to presume that all Gen Z today are extremely socially liberal and dedicated to fighting for progressive causes. “We tend to stereotype Gen Z as universally ‘woke’,” Duffy says. “But there is much more nuance than we’re led to believe in attitudes.”

Notably, anti-trans sentiments seem particularly common among Gen Z. As aforementioned, while a 62 per cent majority of Gen Z agree that “trans men are men, trans women are women”, that still leaves us with 10 per cent who “don’t know” and 28 per cent who actively disagree – hardly insignificant numbers. Many people might assume that TERFs are almost exclusively middle-class, 50-something white women who post about “trans” on Mumsnet and sycophantically reply to every JK Rowling tweet by saying “Spot on once again, Jo ” – and while this demographic does undoubtedly account for a lot of TERFs, it does seem as though there’s a worrying number of younger TERFs too.

While undeniably a minority, transphobic young people are particularly vocal, especially on platforms like Twitter and TikTok where anti-trans sentiments often proliferate within online ‘radfem’ communities. “It’s incredibly easy to get sucked into an alt-right wormhole on social media sites,” Eliott, 22, tells Dazed. “On Twitter you often see young people liking a few radical feminist tweets, and then a few months later they’re a full-blown anti-trans TERF.”

radfem baby terf twitter actually one of the scariest parts of this website cos everyone’s been focused on the old ones while they’re appearing on the timeline more and more every day
— Sock Is A Slur (@leoliveeeeee) October 12, 2022

This can be largely ascribed to the way social media algorithms operate. Generally speaking, algorithms are designed to show people increasingly extreme content, as the more enraged and angry users are, the more engagement spikes – and the more money tech execs make. “The speed at which this happens is even more marked on TikTok because of the nature of the algorithm,” Eliott adds. He’s right: despite TikTok recently banning deadnaming and misgendering trans people, a 2021 report from Media Matters found that TikTok’s recommendation algorithm actually promotes homophobia and anti-trans violence.

It’s not just social media which is engendering transphobia among Gen Z – the press, particularly in the UK, is plagued with anti-trans rhetoric. 23-year-old Ellie recently overheard two students being transphobic while using a public bathroom. “They were saying that we shouldn’t be allowed to use the toilets which align with our gender,” she recalls. “Ironically, when I came out of the cubicle to wash my hands I stood right next to them and they had no idea that the very thing they were complaining about was happening right next to them.”

“It was very clear that they didn’t understand what it meant to be trans,” Ellie continues. “I’m not defending them in any way [...] but they were just talking about an issue that they’ve seen so much in the media and trying to formulate an opinion on it. It’s only natural that they came to such a negative conclusion because of so much of the misinformation, fearmongering, and general toxicity that the UK media has perpetuated over the past few years.” 21-year-old Louis agrees. “I still have a lot of people I went to school with on socials, and it’s so weird because I would genuinely say the majority of them are actually outwardly anti-trans,” he says. “I know people my age who love GB News. It’s so weird – like, that is a news outlet that is made for fucking 50-year-old gammons.”

“On Twitter you often see young people liking a few radical feminist tweets, and then a few months later they’re a full-blown anti-trans TERF” – Eliott

According to analysis by author and trans advocate Shon Faye, in 2020 alone The Times and The Sunday Times published “over 300 articles [about trans issues], almost one a day, and they were all negative”. Elsewhere, transphobes pop up on daytime TV, politicians are asked inflammatory and reductive questions like “can a woman have a penis?”, and columnists refer to the so-called “trans lobby”. It’s also telling that the media treats something as fundamental as trans rights as “up for debate” in the first place. So, it’s not hugely surprising that young people are absorbing transphobic sentiments when they’ve been allowed to proliferate so much in mainstream media.

21-year-old Louis – who lives in Essex – also adds that he suspects anti-trans views are, generally speaking, more prevalent outside of London and in groups of young people who perhaps haven’t encountered more liberal attitudes at university. Research does back this up: a September 2022 survey from the National Centre for Social Research (NatCen) found that a third of Londoners are socially liberal, compared with just 19 per cent of those in urban areas outside the capital. “It would be oversimplifying it to say that these TERF-y sentiments are expected because Southend is a working-class town,” Louis says. “But people are generally scared of change, especially change they don’t understand. So all the hatred comes from a place of the world moving forward, and deep down these people are scared that they’re getting left behind.”

None of this is to say that we aren’t making progress – as aforementioned, attitudes are clearly shifting, with generations becoming increasingly supportive of trans rights over time. Additionally, the fact remains that millennials aren’t becoming more conservative with age – as has been the case for over 100 years – and there’s no huge reason to doubt that Gen Z will follow suit. But that said, we need to do away with the popular conceit that ‘Gen Z will save us’, which glosses over the fact that swathes of young people are being taken in by the unrelenting deluge of anti-trans rhetoric both in the media and on social media. “I think complacency is a far bigger danger to trans people than the actual [anti-trans] radicals themselves,” Eliott says. “Look at the gender recognition bill that was blocked: that would have been voted down if Labour had voted against it, but just 11 Labour MPs voted against it and the rest abstained.” Evidently, while the fight for trans rights is making progress, it’s certainly not a battle won.

 

[Chandelier]

But what happens when the marriage rates are at an all-time low?

Porn. Or watch Better Bachelor.

Even though pregnancies that threaten the life/health of the mother should not continue (underage pregnancies automatically fall under this), that still doesn't change the fact that Planned Parenthood actively avoids reporting underage pregnancies to the police, and even goes out of their way to cover things up so that the father can get off scott free for his actions.

Again, not all rapes will be reported. Shame is a factor in many of them, as well as physical threats.

Restricting abortion to the case of rape or physical health would actually ensure that fewer rapists get off scott free, not because the pregnancy is a telltale sign that the woman was victimized, but because the fact that she had an abortion is a telltale sign that she was victimized, and it would be easier for her to admit she was raped, and to name names and collect evidence.

I don't get this argument. You want the baby as physical proof she was raped, vs just his sperm? And unless you have a DNA test, it'll be his word against hers.

I legit want to know why there needs to be a baby for a rape to be taken seriously, a la Matt Walsh style.

The vagina monologues, a seminal work in lesbian feminism, talked about how raping little girls was 'a good rape'. Lesbians pull all the same shit as fags, they just fuck a lot less.

They still didn't found NAMBLA or be overrepresented in pederasty rates. When women weren't legally people, men were grooming boys. Ancient Athens is infamous for this.

I'm aware of Eve Ensler's degeneracy btw, ironically she pulled the Vagina Monologues after troons complained. Ironic.

Women aren't a species separate from men. This is the crux of why I reject feminism: it doesn't understand that men and women need eachother. (((They))) used feminism to pry men and women apart, destroying the family unit. The family unit that was the cornerstone of society. Why can't you see this?

Huh. Thought it was just those evil women, acting on behalf of Satan.

Here's the thing. There isn't any push for strong families, especially on men. In another thread men complained dating was too hard and women were too much of a gatekeeper. *Shrugs*

All those short term gains came with long term consequences. Women in the workforce? Sounds great...except you suddenly doubled the labour force and thus permanently drove down wages. Not only that but you've pitted men and women against eachother, and via education and feminist ideology you've convinced several generations of women that being a wife and mother is oppressive.

Women were already working, especially working class women. Wages were already low because there was no working class rights/labor movement. So you could die on the job and not be awarded any compensation. Crazy how that had to be fought for, too.

I don't think being a wife or mother is oppressive. I do have an issue with the belief that's all they're ever good for, a la "A woman's place is in the home."

The solution I've heard for this is just to prevent women from seeking education, similar to what the Taliban does. Again, this blase attitude around troons does give credence to men watching it unfold out of spite and revenge.

This push for women in the workforce also came with a push to dismantle male spaces; places where men would go to be among friends and mentors. To learn how to be better men for their women and children. So now those don't exist. But female spaces sure do, don't they?

So it is out of revenge. "You took mine,now I can take yours."

Men's spaces weren't always happy go lucky. A lot of them were gentleman's clubs where they caught STDs or posed for pornographic photos. Even when they had those, they didn't like women organizing.

Men aren't struggling because of troons. Men have been struggling since before troons came about. Men are struggling because (((people))) used feminism as a blade to cut their legs out from under them. Masculinity is demonized and seen as a bad guy, even among reasonable people like you. The school system is stacked in women's favour and you see this in the current rates of graduation.

Women were once legally blocked from college. When women protested,men got very,very angry. Even public sex segregated toilets were protested, because men felt women didn't need them. Because, they thought, there was no reason to leave home. This was when transgender ideology was beginning to be written about professionally, and the people doing that were men, so...

And Kraft Ebbing wasn't Jewish.

And at the end of it all; are women more happy? Are they more happy that they have to wage slave away for most their lives, even the ones who want kids? Because statistics sure as fuck says they aren't.

And what would you prefer as a solution?

Let's not forget that the feminists much beloved Suffragettes only wanted the vote to apply to property owning women, their 'equality movement' very explicitly wanted to exclude working class women and especially men from voting rights. Feminism has always held a special hatred of working class men.

Men still got the vote before all women did. Even black men got it 50 years before women in the US.

The constant demonizing of men has reached disturbing proportions and it has gone hand in hand with the rise of feminism. Its not just the Frankfurt School of commies that have wrecked men in educational institutions but also the feminization of the education system. As soon as primary and secondary eduction became largely run by women, boys behaviour became 'problematic' and needed to be feminised or medicated in a way it didn't when male teachers existed.

Big Pharma also profited heavily off that. I don't agree with the whole Ritalin push, but boys do express behavioural issues worse than girls due to their genetics. But that's a different argument.

As for troons, that also feels like a peculiarly female sort of neurotic revenge on men, which is now spectacularly backfiring.
Kinsey and Money didn't invent troons. You can almost guarantee that if there is a munchie parent trying to cut your sons cock off it's the mother.

They kinda did. Well in modern times. If you look at all the people writing about transsexualism, virtually none were women.

In the Middle Ages, Eleanor Rykard (sic) was a cross dresser - a proto Troon - who was also a prostitute. Elagabalus is called a transwoman even when he was a man who wanted his elite guard to stomp on his dick. These episodes occurred when women in general weren't present in education.

Ever since Euripides put pen to paper and wrote a play about the ultimate 'woman scorned', men have known the score, Medea slaughtered her children in revenge against Jason for leaving her. I often see the same motivation in munchie women, a vengeance by proxy to end a man's line by emasculating their heirs.

Jason was ordered to be loyal to Medea because she had direct access to the Golden Fleece. When he broke that promise, he died. He basically bewitched the witch to get a special skin.

The radfems however can get fucked. It's hard not to notice that their main concern is 'muh female spaces', not cutting boys cocks off. Even Rowling is just fine with that, she just doesn't want the result hanging around her gym. These people are not your allies, those are the normal women also appalled by what has been done to their kids.

As you say, that's your fight. And contradicts the need for marriage.

Feminism however has become a metastatsising cancer in society and unless men fight back against that also, it will take their balls. In some cases literally because they have so completely destroyed masculinity and elevated women that now weak men want to become women for the clout they wield and the immunity from criticism they enjoy.

Edited because: ..and another thing.

Hmm. So Andrew Tate, then?

 

[pikachudidnothingwrong]

I'd say more that too many have a tranphilia problem.

This is correct. What you often see if you look at opinions about young people 20 years ago mirrors sentiments today. They they all are obsessed with superficial reference laden media like the Simpsons. They absorb vapid media like Pokemon and they listen to terrible music like Maroon 5. Nowadays they say much the same thing. And much like young people from 20 years ago their opinions on social issues will shift given enough time and worldly experience they have.

Yup.. Every generation sees claims of this sort and every generation sees how full of shit they turn out to be in time!
They said the same thing about my generation and the one after.

 

[The Ugly One]

I'd say more that too many have a tranphilia problem.




Yup.. Every generation sees claims of this sort and every generation sees how full of shit they turn out to be in time!
They said the same thing about my generation and the one after.

Millennials have turned out to be shallow, hedonistic, and childish.

 

[BaskingBarracuda]

I'd say more that too many have a tranphilia problem.

I think both can be true. The common belief that runs through zoomers online is that the current system is broken and they have no stake in it. It drives them to one end of the political spectrum or the other, and in this case manifests in trans obsession on one side and anti-trans on the other.

 

[Ser Prize]

@Chandelier
You bring up ancient Athens and pederasty but neglect to mention Sapho of Lesbos, whose 'lovers' were her child students. Cuts both ways there, doesn't it?

How can you say men are trying to date and then say there isn't a push for families in the same damn paragraph? Women do have ludicrous standards, have you seen how they rate men on average? Or how they generally refuse to date men who earn the same or less than they do? I won't say men aren't blameless in giving up but you can't act like this isn't a two way problem that needs to be resolved.

I don't get your argument here. You say women weren't legally people and then say well akshully women have always been working, then say wages were too low even though a single income could afford a middle class existence for a good chunk of the 20th century?

Yes some gentlemen's clubs and male spaces were fucked up, I agree. But talk about throwing the fucking baby out with the bath water by getting rid of all of them and demanding that every male space accommodate women.

Okay, and? You didn't refute my point that education is stacked in women's favour at all levels. Just saying "WELL ACKSHULLY 70 YEARS AGO WOMEN COULDN'T EVEN GO TO SCHOOL" doesn't mean shit when we're talking about how men are failing now. Or is it just revenge?

Speaking of revenge; revenge isn't not defending your female spaces from troons. Revenge would be rooting them on, which not many men do because we fucking hate trannies. We just also have no reason to defend your spaces for you when you so obviously don't give a shit about male spaces and the way men are struggling in the modern world.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

I don't get your argument here. You say women weren't legally people and then say well akshully women have always been working, then say wages were too low even though a single income could afford a middle class existence for a good chunk of the 20th century?

That's part of the issue. A middle class existence in 1940 would be completely unacceptable to people today...probably the bigger issue is the standard of living is falling steadily over the past 20 years or so, so not only are you working more than ever but you're getting less out of it.

No clue how you escape that loop, the only possibility I can think of is the demographic changes will increase demand for labor, but then the plan will be to just bring in more immigrants.

 

[Chandelier]

@Chandelier
You bring up ancient Athens and pederasty but neglect to mention Sapho of Lesbos, whose 'lovers' were her child students. Cuts both ways there, doesn't it?

One was state sanctioned, my friend. This was when women were not legally citizens (this differed by city state).

How can you say men are trying to date and then say there isn't a push for families in the same damn paragraph? Women do have ludicrous standards, have you seen how they rate men on average? Or how they generally refuse to date men who earn the same or less than they do? I won't say men aren't blameless in giving up but you can't act like this isn't a two way problem that needs to be resolved.

I'm referring to another thread that was discussing falling birthrates/ dating standards, and there were people complaining that it's difficult to 'find a woman in this day and age'. I think it was the Millennial baby dearth one.

What you are discussing there is hypergamy, a thing discussed widely in MGTOW circles. It's also brought up by Jordan Peterson: women generally prefer wealthier/more socially mobile partners as it leads to fitter offspring. Don't shoot the messenger.

I don't get your argument here. You say women weren't legally people and then say well akshully women have always been working, then say wages were too low even though a single income could afford a middle class existence for a good chunk of the 20th century?

Correct, they weren't legally people. Yes, they were working for unpaid labour - especially house work. In this instance I'm referring to first wave feminism, the era where women were legally blocked from college. Class was very stratified at this time.

Yes some gentlemen's clubs and male spaces were fucked up, I agree. But talk about throwing the fucking baby out with the bath water by getting rid of all of them and demanding that every male space accommodate women.

Men should have their spaces and women should have theirs. But ever wonder why there was a need for such disruptions?

Okay, and? You didn't refute my point that education is stacked in women's favour at all levels. Just saying "WELL ACKSHULLY 70 YEARS AGO WOMEN COULDN'T EVEN GO TO SCHOOL" doesn't mean shit when we're talking about how men are failing now. Or is it just revenge?

Well then we'd have to discuss who is better at what in the education field. Men are stronger in the harder sciences, such as physics and mathematics, while women do better at the humanities/natural sciences. I'm fine with that. Boys have different needs and are not being challenged enough in school, sure.

Speaking of revenge; revenge isn't not defending your female spaces from troons. Revenge would be rooting them on, which not many men do because we fucking hate trannies. We just also have no reason to defend your spaces for you when you so obviously don't give a shit about male spaces and the way men are struggling in the modern world.

This is a contradiction, lol. You hate them, but it's fine because we don't give a shit about male spaces? Ah.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I don't get this argument. You want the baby as physical proof she was raped, vs just his sperm? And unless you have a DNA test, it'll be his word against hers.

I legit want to know why there needs to be a baby for a rape to be taken seriously, a la Matt Walsh style.

I never said that, nor will I ever say that.

The fact is, allowing abortions for any reason whatsoever will pretty much ensure that rapists and pedophiles can get off scott free much easier, because the clinics have no incentive to report the crime even though they are presumably required to by law. They've even been caught trying to give their clients instructions on how to avoid getting their "boyfriend" in trouble.

If abortion were restricted to rape/health, the client will be assumed to have been raped by default, and the clinic will simply not have a choice but to report it or collect DNA evidence if they want to stay open.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I just realized something:

Why should men fight this fight? We didn’t start this problem, and at the end of the day the reality is it has little direct effect on us.

Let the feminists attempt to slay this beast of their own making.

The people who crafted troonism were not women.

>equating feminism with being a woman
>pretending men can't be feminists, feminist-adjacent, or feminist-sympathetic

Unironically, this is an amazing sleight of hand purely because nobody caught onto it.

EDIT: Well, maybe @Aero the Alcoholic Bat did.

 

[Ser Prize]

One was state sanctioned, my friend. This was when women were not legally citizens (this differed by city state).

I'm referring to another thread that was discussing falling birthrates/ dating standards, and there were people complaining that it's difficult to 'find a woman in this day and age'. I think it was the Millennial baby dearth one.

What you are discussing there is hypergamy, a thing discussed widely in MGTOW circles. It's also brought up by Jordan Peterson: women generally prefer wealthier/more socially mobile partners as it leads to fitter offspring. Don't shoot the messenger.

Correct, they weren't legally people. Yes, they were working for unpaid labour - especially house work. In this instance I'm referring to first wave feminism, the era where women were legally blocked from college. Class was very stratified at this time.

Men should have their spaces and women should have theirs. But ever wonder why there was a need for such disruptions?

Well then we'd have to discuss who is better at what in the education field. Men are stronger in the harder sciences, such as physics and mathematics, while women do better at the humanities/natural sciences. I'm fine with that. Boys have different needs and are not being challenged enough in school, sure.

This is a contradiction, lol. You hate them, but it's fine because we don't give a shit about male spaces? Ah.

Pederasty was not state sanctioned, and it wasn't always sexual. It was actually quite controversial if it was sexual, since Greeks thought(correctly imo) that sexual abuse at that age would turn the child into a faggot, known as a kinaidos in Greek.

Yes, it is much more difficult to date in this day and age. I'm sure even you can see that? Part of it is the aforementioned hypergamy, now that women are the majority of graduates while still have affirmative action weighted for them they're suddenly doing a lot better career wise than many men.

Saying housework is 'unpaid' labour is ridiculous. Basic house maintenance was a thing both sexes did throughout history, even when men had to work their job/till the fields.

Glad we agree on both sexes need their spaces. As for why? Because women apparently can't stand the thought of men having their own spaces and things.

I'd say it's less 'not being challenged' and more the education system rewards female behaviour rather than male behaviour. Ever wonder why higher rates of boys get prescribed ADHD meds?

It's not a contradiction. Look at which sex generally cheerleads trannies.

 

[The Ugly One]

Correct, they weren't legally people.

Contrary to popular belief, it was actually not legal for a man to kill and eat his wife in the 19th century.

Yes, they were working for unpaid labour - especially house work.

Very few countries where it's ever been legal to chain your wife naked to a post outside except when it's time for her to clean things up.

Men should have their spaces and women should have theirs. But ever wonder why there was a need for such disruptions?

The disruptions only happened after technology and common luxury advanced to a point where women had time to be bored at home. Feminism was led primarily by rich, privileged women who had the idle time and freedom to be able to spend young adulthood in school, rather than sweating in front of mechanised looms for their robber baron overlords or face starvation.

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

The primary reason for the disruptions were that the Frankfurt School was growing in influence and requires permanent revolution to be successful. So race, sex, gender identity, generations, etc. all became tools that were utilized to be at each other’s throats so they can advance their agenda. A few decades later, there are attempts to destigmatize and legalize pedophilia and it’s all thanks to the concept of permanent revolution to keep pushing liberalism. Feminism is and always will be a distraction and a weapon used against people. It’s not legitimate and never will be.

 

[The Ugly One]

Once your society gets rich enough, you forget that it's Nature, not society, that kills you if you don't work.

 

[Chandelier]

Pederasty was not state sanctioned, and it wasn't always sexual. It was actually quite controversial if it was sexual, since Greeks thought(correctly imo) that sexual abuse at that age would turn the child into a faggot, known as a kinaidos in Greek.

It was enough of a problem where Aeschines' 'Against Timarchus' had written that boys coming back from the gymnasium had to be escorted by guards or else they would be attacked. Socrates had warned against it, and so had Xenophon. The issue was really only widespread in Athens, where women did not hold institutional power. Sparta did not have high rates of pederasty, and it was common to call the Athenians 'boy lovers' as an insult.

Yes, it is much more difficult to date in this day and age. I'm sure even you can see that? Part of it is the aforementioned hypergamy, now that women are the majority of graduates while still have affirmative action weighted for them they're suddenly doing a lot better career wise than many men.

I hear this a lot from MGTOW and men on the right: that we are too high maintenance for me, and there's a great degree of hatred and envy there. In certain fields women do better; in others, men, thanks to the curve of the Bell Curve, do better in the tail ends. But it begs the question: why should a woman lower herself for a man who may not be best for her?

Saying housework is 'unpaid' labour is ridiculous. Basic house maintenance was a thing both sexes did throughout history, even when men had to work their job/till the fields.

Depends where you go in the world. Sex division of labour is something noted on throughout history, and there is debate whether going from a pastoralist to a farming life rectified such divisions. Women's participation in those fields determined how much labour she would perform, and how she influenced local politics. In certain countries, women are expected to do all the cooking and cleaning, while it is considered 'unmasculine' for men (Afghanistan is one such example). But men tend to be better chefs, so you get the drill.

Glad we agree on both sexes need their spaces. As for why? Because women apparently can't stand the thought of men having their own spaces and things.

I'd say it's less 'not being challenged' and more the education system rewards female behaviour rather than male behaviour. Ever wonder why higher rates of boys get prescribed ADHD meds?

ADHD presents differently in both sexes, and males are diagnosed more for autism. I don't agree with the over-medication of boys for it, especially as many of them don't actually have ADHD.

It's not a contradiction. Look at which sex generally cheerleads trannies.

Again we go right back to where we started: did women start transsexualism and its politics, or is it just them being agreeable? Radfems like Anna Slatz will give you all the men involved in getting gender theory off the ground. Judith Butler is one woman who started it, so I'll give credit to where it's due, but all of the major research into troons began with men in the 1880s. Only in the 1970s did you see radfems talk about troons, with 'The Transsexual Empire' being the most notable example.

What troonery is is male degeneracy on display, encouraged by female agreeableness and fear. You've seen what happens when women protest: Kelli Jay Keen was sent to jail, Caroline Farrow was threatened by Adrian Harrop. JKR gets a shit ton of death threats, but she has fuck you money to spare. Slxthkween lose her job after she was doxxed after mocking Dylan Mulvaney. And on and on. Women are under a lot of pressure to conform.

 

[Ser Prize]

It was enough of a problem where Aeschines' 'Against Timarchus' had written that boys coming back from the gymnasium had to be escorted by guards or else they would be attacked. Socrates had warned against it, and so had Xenophon. The issue was really only widespread in Athens, where women did not hold institutional power. Sparta did not have high rates of pederasty, and it was common to call the Athenians 'boy lovers' as an insult.

I hear this a lot from MGTOW and men on the right: that we are too high maintenance for me, and there's a great degree of hatred and envy there. In certain fields women do better; in others, men, thanks to the curve of the Bell Curve, do better in the tail ends. But it begs the question: why should a woman lower herself for a man who may not be best for her?

Depends where you go in the world. Sex division of labour is something noted on throughout history, and there is debate whether going from a pastoralist to a farming life rectified such divisions. Women's participation in those fields determined how much labour she would perform, and how she influenced local politics. In certain countries, women are expected to do all the cooking and cleaning, while it is considered 'unmasculine' for men (Afghanistan is one such example). But men tend to be better chefs, so you get the drill.

ADHD presents differently in both sexes, and males are diagnosed more for autism. I don't agree with the over-medication of boys for it, especially as many of them don't actually have ADHD.

Again we go right back to where we started: did women start transsexualism and its politics, or is it just them being agreeable? Radfems like Anna Slatz will give you all the men involved in getting gender theory off the ground. Judith Butler is one woman who started it, so I'll give credit to where it's due, but all of the major research into troons began with men in the 1880s. Only in the 1970s did you see radfems talk about troons, with 'The Transsexual Empire' being the most notable example.

What troonery is is male degeneracy on display, encouraged by female agreeableness and fear. You've seen what happens when women protest: Kelli Jay Keen was sent to jail, Caroline Farrow was threatened by Adrian Harrop. JKR gets a shit ton of death threats, but she has fuck you money to spare. Slxthkween lose her job after she was doxxed after mocking Dylan Mulvaney. And on and on. Women are under a lot of pressure to conform.

Women don't have to lower their standards; they'll just find less and less men 'worthy' of them and will have a harder and harder time settling down as a result. It's no right wing conspiracy that it's currently incentivized against hiring men in many places. Women get to enjoy all the boons of a minority status whilst also making up the majority of college graduates these days.

Not only that but, as I'm certain you're aware, women tend towards in-group preference as a whole. Is the entire field of HR not staffed mostly by women? Do you wonder if this has effected hiring? Think about it.

While it does range culturally generally you'll see men doing the more physically demanding work. It's what our bodies are made for. Thus I find the statement that women are doing unpaid labour at home to be rather funny in the context of a housewife and earning husband; does the husband not work the whole day? Seems like the labour divide is equal.

Males are diagnosed more for autism and ADHD, yes, but I cited ADHD because symptoms of ADHD naturally manifest in most energetic young boys forced to sit in class for hours at a time. It's not conductive to how boys learn and never has been.

If troonery was just male degeneracy forced upon a populace of agreeable women then why are there so many FTMs? Why is the rabid social justice movement that spawned trannies carried mostly by women?

As an aside I don't believe your poor innocent victims narrative, not since how the first wave feminists treated that lady who tried opening a male abuse victim shelter.