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23 January 2023
Serena Smith

There are a lot of stereotypes about Gen Z. We all hate working. We’re brain-dead TikTok addicts. We like to eat Tide pods and chicken stewed in cough syrup. Some are more positive, admittedly: it’s often assumed that we all support social justice issues like the fight for trans rights, the Black Lives Matter movement and climate justice. But is there really any truth in any of these big, sweeping assumptions? Can we really claim to generalise about a demographic that makes up nearly 20 per cent of the UK population?

There is research to suggest that Gen Z genuinely are the most progressive generation. 77 per cent of all young voters went for progressive parties in the 2019 election. Nearly half of young Brits believe systemic racism is a major problem facing the UK. When it comes to trans rights, research from the More in Common think tank found that 62 per cent of Gen Z agreed with the statement “trans men are men, trans women are women”.

This isn’t particularly surprising. “This is a very common pattern for emerging social issues – where it’s not an issue many will have thought about even in the relatively recent past, but the increased profile and focus will increase awareness and understanding over time,” Professor Bobby Duffy, author of Generations: Does When You’re Born Shape Who You Are? tells Dazed. He explains that younger generations are often quicker to embrace changes in social attitudes as they’re more “malleable in their thinking”. As Duffy says, being more receptive to progressive beliefs isn’t really a ‘Gen Z’ thing, though – it’s a ‘young person’ thing. Nowadays, for instance, baby boomers are often perceived as stubborn and regressive (see also: the ‘OK boomer’ meme). But when they were young, they were champions of social justice issues of their time, such as the anti-war movement and sexual liberation.

Of course, it’s erroneous to suggest that every single young person in the 60s and 70s spent their time shagging, protesting and swanning around in bell-sleeve mini-dresses. Equally, it’s a bit of an overblown claim to presume that all Gen Z today are extremely socially liberal and dedicated to fighting for progressive causes. “We tend to stereotype Gen Z as universally ‘woke’,” Duffy says. “But there is much more nuance than we’re led to believe in attitudes.”

Notably, anti-trans sentiments seem particularly common among Gen Z. As aforementioned, while a 62 per cent majority of Gen Z agree that “trans men are men, trans women are women”, that still leaves us with 10 per cent who “don’t know” and 28 per cent who actively disagree – hardly insignificant numbers. Many people might assume that TERFs are almost exclusively middle-class, 50-something white women who post about “trans” on Mumsnet and sycophantically reply to every JK Rowling tweet by saying “Spot on once again, Jo 👏” – and while this demographic does undoubtedly account for a lot of TERFs, it does seem as though there’s a worrying number of younger TERFs too.

While undeniably a minority, transphobic young people are particularly vocal, especially on platforms like Twitter and TikTok where anti-trans sentiments often proliferate within online ‘radfem’ communities. “It’s incredibly easy to get sucked into an alt-right wormhole on social media sites,” Eliott, 22, tells Dazed. “On Twitter you often see young people liking a few radical feminist tweets, and then a few months later they’re a full-blown anti-trans TERF.”

radfem baby terf twitter actually one of the scariest parts of this website cos everyone’s been focused on the old ones while they’re appearing on the timeline more and more every day
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This can be largely ascribed to the way social media algorithms operate. Generally speaking, algorithms are designed to show people increasingly extreme content, as the more enraged and angry users are, the more engagement spikes – and the more money tech execs make. “The speed at which this happens is even more marked on TikTok because of the nature of the algorithm,” Eliott adds. He’s right: despite TikTok recently banning deadnaming and misgendering trans people, a 2021 report from Media Matters found that TikTok’s recommendation algorithm actually promotes homophobia and anti-trans violence.

It’s not just social media which is engendering transphobia among Gen Z – the press, particularly in the UK, is plagued with anti-trans rhetoric. 23-year-old Ellie recently overheard two students being transphobic while using a public bathroom. “They were saying that we shouldn’t be allowed to use the toilets which align with our gender,” she recalls. “Ironically, when I came out of the cubicle to wash my hands I stood right next to them and they had no idea that the very thing they were complaining about was happening right next to them.”

“It was very clear that they didn’t understand what it meant to be trans,” Ellie continues. “I’m not defending them in any way [...] but they were just talking about an issue that they’ve seen so much in the media and trying to formulate an opinion on it. It’s only natural that they came to such a negative conclusion because of so much of the misinformation, fearmongering, and general toxicity that the UK media has perpetuated over the past few years.” 21-year-old Louis agrees. “I still have a lot of people I went to school with on socials, and it’s so weird because I would genuinely say the majority of them are actually outwardly anti-trans,” he says. “I know people my age who love GB News. It’s so weird – like, that is a news outlet that is made for fucking 50-year-old gammons.”

“On Twitter you often see young people liking a few radical feminist tweets, and then a few months later they’re a full-blown anti-trans TERF” – Eliott

According to analysis by author and trans advocate Shon Faye, in 2020 alone The Times and The Sunday Times published “over 300 articles [about trans issues], almost one a day, and they were all negative”. Elsewhere, transphobes pop up on daytime TV, politicians are asked inflammatory and reductive questions like “can a woman have a penis?”, and columnists refer to the so-called “trans lobby”. It’s also telling that the media treats something as fundamental as trans rights as “up for debate” in the first place. So, it’s not hugely surprising that young people are absorbing transphobic sentiments when they’ve been allowed to proliferate so much in mainstream media.

21-year-old Louis – who lives in Essex – also adds that he suspects anti-trans views are, generally speaking, more prevalent outside of London and in groups of young people who perhaps haven’t encountered more liberal attitudes at university. Research does back this up: a September 2022 survey from the National Centre for Social Research (NatCen) found that a third of Londoners are socially liberal, compared with just 19 per cent of those in urban areas outside the capital. “It would be oversimplifying it to say that these TERF-y sentiments are expected because Southend is a working-class town,” Louis says. “But people are generally scared of change, especially change they don’t understand. So all the hatred comes from a place of the world moving forward, and deep down these people are scared that they’re getting left behind.”

None of this is to say that we aren’t making progress – as aforementioned, attitudes are clearly shifting, with generations becoming increasingly supportive of trans rights over time. Additionally, the fact remains that millennials aren’t becoming more conservative with age – as has been the case for over 100 years – and there’s no huge reason to doubt that Gen Z will follow suit. But that said, we need to do away with the popular conceit that ‘Gen Z will save us’, which glosses over the fact that swathes of young people are being taken in by the unrelenting deluge of anti-trans rhetoric both in the media and on social media. “I think complacency is a far bigger danger to trans people than the actual [anti-trans] radicals themselves,” Eliott says. “Look at the gender recognition bill that was blocked: that would have been voted down if Labour had voted against it, but just 11 Labour MPs voted against it and the rest abstained.” Evidently, while the fight for trans rights is making progress, it’s certainly not a battle won.
 
I think young people do tend be liberal-- in the classical sense. They want to push against norms, be free to have a good time, and generally root for the underdog. But the modern left is authoritarian, obsessed with control, and delights in torturing heretics. They left any claim to the word "liberal" on the field long ago. They have no particular reason to expect loyalty from the younger generations, apart from early brainwashing-- and they pretty clearly understand that.
Kids also succumb to peer pressure and you can’t oppose tranny stuff without being punished. Sadly, some kids are amongst the biggest boot lickers.
 
Kids also succumb to peer pressure and you can’t oppose tranny stuff without being punished. Sadly, some kids are amongst the biggest boot lickers.
I would say there's a divide between pre covid and post covid Zoomers in terms of high school graduates. The class of 2019, mine, feels way different than those who graduated thru lockdown. We were loud, rowdy, full of optimism. Now it feels the younger ones have this " shut up and do what your told so we dont get screwed" mentality. Not all of them, but many of them. They don't fully understand what a free world looked like.
 
I once read an article here that a bunch of zoom-zooms had conservative views.

It's no fucking wonder when you shove progressive shit down their throats. It's the same thing that happened with millenials in the 90s.
Many of us do, and many of us mock the woke shit in one way or another. Watching this shit from the sidelines, and even as it started to infest the schools, fandoms, things that had been enjoyed for decades, untouched, now demented and twisted. We just are in no position to do anything about it. We're worrying about rent, car payments, insurance, college/trade school, moving through the ranks in our jobs without getting kicked out because of social media, etc. I would argue that a lot of zoomers are voting the way they are for one reason: 2020. 2020 scared the shit out of us, and many of us followed the lies of the media and voted the Orange Man out. I saw it happen. I'm also seeing a lot of regret and frustration. No one likes Biden. I'd say half of us still say the word faggot where our bosses can't hear. The problem is that there is no focus. Even with the younger zoomers I work with, they don't even know what a noob tube is! There is disconnect and lack of real purpose, but if we were actually able to get our shit in gear, I'd think things would change.
 
Bigtime. And what's the GOP answer? 'We can't win cause they cheat'. That's not an effective or even correct answer. The issue, IMO, is the country is incredibly leftwing now and the Zoomers are the vanguard of it. It's impossible to predict how long or deep it'll go, but without a major change it's not going to change much or within a decade.

Getting rid of the old timer GOP is going to help, but who can tell. This 'we wuz robbed' mentality just doesn't work.
The issue is that every single institution that forms young people into adults is run by the ultraleft, and conservatives think it would be wrong to do something about it.
 
I wish gen z had a transphobia "problem."

Once again, everyone here misunderstands adolescent rebellion: It's not the establishment, or capitalism, or authoritarianism that children rebel against. It's their parents. Period. Anything else is a scapegoat for the bad relationship with their parents, or in the very least, that they consider their parents to be old fashioned, out of touch, or ignorant.

Mao understood that, and it was under his rule that communism became even more of a fuck-you-dad ideology than it already was.

Even if their parents support troon or faggot rights, it's unlikely that they'll rebel by being transphobic, it's more likely that they'll take their parents' ideology to its logical conclusion.

They'll come out of the closet at earlier and earlier ages, when the idea of "sexual orientation" isn't even relevant at their larval stage.

Or they'll troon out at earlier and earlier ages, even identify as more bizarre and nonsensical gender identities.

Sure, I could be wrong, and it could be that teenagers and children are slowly getting fed up with their peers' faggotry, and with the fact that it's pushed by the most powerful institutions in the world, but worst case scenario, it'll get so bad that we'll have to forcefully drag these people to a war crime tribunal or something to be tried for crimes against humanity.
 
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Anyone who posts unironically how zoomers or the next generation will be based and redpilled don't deal with zoomers.
 
gen z isnt a united generation imo, its very fractured and based around subcultures. there are for sure extreme far-left tranny loving zoomers, but a lot of the created "culture" around zoomers is made to make them look like they are all of the tiktok breed. a lot arent.
depending on you live (one of them mentioned southend for insance) you'll have chavs who dont give a shit about it, roadmen who dont care, or even those actively against it who reside in rightwing circles online

it might just be a "silent majority" cope but i genuinely think most zoomers are pretty apathetic toward trannies. at least outside the ultra-pozzed areas
 
The article isn't saying that zoomers are based & redpilled. It's saying that a small minority has resisted propaganda, and that's a problem - nobody should be able to escape our fully automated, algorithmically curated hell world. They're saying "zoomers have a transphobia problem" the way a prison warden would say "I have a jailbreak problem" if 15% of the prisoners escape.
 
Bigtime. And what's the GOP answer? 'We can't win cause they cheat'. That's not an effective or even correct answer. The issue, IMO, is the country is incredibly leftwing now and the Zoomers are the vanguard of it. It's impossible to predict how long or deep it'll go, but without a major change it's not going to change much or within a decade.

Getting rid of the old timer GOP is going to help, but who can tell. This 'we wuz robbed' mentality just doesn't work.
Politics is largely hereditary. The colorblind conservatives who went with Trump's "we will never be a socialist country" ignored his platinum plans for blacks and Hispanics and his catering to everyone BUT the demographic that got him in - white people. Now that they're going extinct things are changing.

The abortion gambit backfired on them too, to say the least. But in general, Gen Z was damaged permanently from COVID and it's that generation that gives us Stan culture. They are the most adamant Troon supporters there are.

However, the growth of baby radfems does give me hope. Not much, though.
 
Once again, everyone here misunderstands adolescent rebellion: It's not the establishment, or capitalism, or authoritarianism that children rebel against. It's their parents. Period.
The idea of adolescent rebellion is mostly bullshit. Something instilled in baby boomers because it served to go against the “authoritarian personality” of the greatest generation and served the Frankfurt School to begin instilling antiwhite hatred.
Anyone who posts unironically how zoomers or the next generation will be based and redpilled don't deal with zoomers.
Much like how adolescent rebellion is mostly bullshit, so is the sentiment that the new generation must rebel against the previous generation. Since millennials are fags, then that must mean zoomers are based, right?
 
The idea of adolescent rebellion is mostly bullshit. Something instilled in baby boomers because it served to go against the “authoritarian personality” of the greatest generation and served the Frankfurt School to begin instilling antiwhite hatred.

Yes...that does make more sense.

Kind of interesting how the same people who love to compare themselves to the greatest generation because they fight "nazis" and "fascists" in the street hold onto the same old-fart ideology as boomers and gen X people who rebelled against that very same generation, those far more righteous than themselves, those that survived the closest to armageddon we've ever gotten.

Woke ideology is just hippie, SDS, and Weather Underground ideology exhumed for the 21st century, after all.
 
I was on VR the other day and heard this kid say his high school was covered in posters of furries in communist outfits shouting out Karl Marx and the school just left up the posters.
 
Politics is largely hereditary. The colorblind conservatives who went with Trump's "we will never be a socialist country" ignored his platinum plans for blacks and Hispanics and his catering to everyone BUT the demographic that got him in - white people. Now that they're going extinct things are changing.

The abortion gambit backfired on them too, to say the least. But in general, Gen Z was damaged permanently from COVID and it's that generation that gives us Stan culture. They are the most adamant Troon supporters there are.

However, the growth of baby radfems does give me hope. Not much, though.
Radfems gave us this clownshow.
 
Zoomers are lost, and I say this as an older Zoomer in my mid 20's. Most of them are very left wing, but Zoomers that are right wing are either a borderline neocon/something like the TPUSA crowd or are otherwise VERY right wing. However, the woke Zoomers outnumber them a lot. Gen Alpha remains to be seen.
This is how it always is, and it will always be this way. Young people are always more liberal/left leaning, and they are usually don't vote in large numbers. The left has been running campaigns to get the young voters motivated for decades and they have been nothing but failures. This isn't to say that none of them vote. They do vote just not in numbers large enough to swing impact an election. They said Millennials were the most politically active young people and they didn't vote in large numbers either. The age of the average voter is still 65+. I know because I first votes when I was 20 back in 2004. Being that young and seeing who is at the polling place makes you feel odd and out of place. Like you are some where you shouldn't be. It's not a place where a lot of young people go. This didn't change in any of the other elections I participated in. Not even in 2016 or 2020. It was mostly older people. Even voting for Trump in my early 30's I still felt out of place while voting.
Gen Z voting is why the Republicans lost the Senate in 2022 and didn't pick up like 10-15 more House seats. They're very politically active and the majority of them are far-left.

They won't be able to, since without troons as trailblazers, how can the transspecies movement that'll be big in a decade take off?
No offense but this is a pretty dumb take. The Republicans taking the senate in 2022 was never a sure thing. Polls months before the midterms showed this. The Republicans didn't take the senate and lost seats in the house because the GOP sabotaged races by denying them funds to run campaigns. You also have other issues like weak candidates and Republicans going on moral fag crusades over abortions. It had nothing to do with Gen Z and voting. As I pointed out in a previous post young people are notorious for not turning out to vote in large numbers. I doubt this has suddenly and magically changed with Zoomers. There is a difference between being politically active and actually voting. You can be politically active and never vote. I know people like this. Millennials were like this. Again, young people don't vote in large numbers. They seem to like to talk about politics, but they don't vote. Most of their left leaning political support is just virtue signaling. The Millennials did the same thing. They do it to get head pats and a dopamine hit.
Pressing X big time on this one. Gen Zyklon was the dumbest meme and will never happen. They keep getting more liberal.

Only hope is that X continues to get more conservative with age, and the less likely trend that the larger Y will as well.
generation Zyklon was always a dumb meme. That's not how things work. Young people are always liberal left leaning. When they get older they become more "conservative". But that's the thing. You don't want them to become "conservative" the way the Boomers and everyone else became "conservative". You don't want a bunch of tax cuck Neocons that are nothing but simps for capitalism corporate America and globalism. Thankfully the modern world isn't the same as it was back when past generations became more "conservative" when they got older. I imagine they will end up like most people and will be economically liberal to an extent and socially conservative to an extent. But they also need to lean towards nationalism and populism. They have to understand why the world they are stuck in is so screwed up. They have to know why they can't find a job and why the people around them don't look like them. Why they see them running around living better in their country than they do. That's how you keep them from being "conservative".
 
Radfems gave us this clownshow.
I won't doubt the cocksucking going on, but as was shown in the Mulvaney thread, it was men like Magnus Hirschfeld who spearheaded it. Even the radfems of the 60s like Gloria Steinem all go the TWAW route.
This is how it always is, and it will always be this way. Young people are always more liberal/left leaning, and they are usually don't vote in large numbers. The left has been running campaigns to get the young voters motivated for decades and they have been nothing but failures. This isn't to say that none of them vote. They do vote just not in numbers large enough to swing impact an election. They said Millennials were the most politically active young people and they didn't vote in large numbers either. The age of the average voter is still 65+. I know because I first votes when I was 20 back in 2004. Being that young and seeing who is at the polling place makes you feel odd and out of place. Like you are some where you shouldn't be. It's not a place where a lot of young people go. This didn't change in any of the other elections I participated in. Not even in 2016 or 2020. It was mostly older people. Even voting for Trump in my early 30's I still felt out of place while voting.

No offense but this is a pretty dumb take. The Republicans taking the senate in 2022 was never a sure thing. Polls months before the midterms showed this. The Republicans didn't take the senate and lost seats in the house because the GOP sabotaged races by denying them funds to run campaigns. You also have other issues like weak candidates and Republicans going on moral fag crusades over abortions. It had nothing to do with Gen Z and voting. As I pointed out in a previous post young people are notorious for not turning out to vote in large numbers. I doubt this has suddenly and magically changed with Zoomers. There is a difference between being politically active and actually voting. You can be politically active and never vote. I know people like this. Millennials were like this. Again, young people don't vote in large numbers. They seem to like to talk about politics, but they don't vote. Most of their left leaning political support is just virtue signaling. The Millennials did the same thing. They do it to get head pats and a dopamine hit.

generation Zyklon was always a dumb meme. That's not how things work. Young people are always liberal left leaning. When they get older they become more "conservative". But that's the thing. You don't want them to become "conservative" the way the Boomers and everyone else became "conservative". You don't want a bunch of tax cuck Neocons that are nothing but simps for capitalism corporate America and globalism. Thankfully the modern world isn't the same as it was back when past generations became more "conservative" when they got older. I imagine they will end up like most people and will be economically liberal to an extent and socially conservative to an extent. But they also need to lean towards nationalism and populism. They have to understand why the world they are stuck in is so screwed up. They have to know why they can't find a job and why the people around them don't look like them. Why they see them running around living better in their country than they do. That's how you keep them from being "conservative".
I hope you're right. A few years ago, the "just wait until they enter the real world" was tried on millennials. It didn't work. The Roe decision, and perhaps the 2020 Floyd riots, did bring out new scions of new voters. The midterms were hereditary seats being thrown around. The moralfag crusades, especially with no maternity care in the US, only puts them at a loss.

That's not even touching immigration. You'd be hard pressed to find any politician talking about it seriously anymore.
 
However, the growth of baby radfems does give me hope. Not much, though.
Expecting radfems to fix clownworld is like expecting a waterfall to flow upwards. Radfem ideology created trannies, its not going to defeat them.

The only reason modern radfems are opposed to trannies is because of self serving reasons, not ideological ones.
 
I was on VR the other day and heard this kid say his high school was covered in posters of furries in communist outfits shouting out Karl Marx and the school just left up the posters.
It always amuses me how many leftie fags ignore that Karl Marx considered sexual degeneracy to be a vice of the wealthy classes that needed to be stamped out.
 
I think young people do tend be liberal-- in the classical sense. They want to push against norms, be free to have a good time, and generally root for the underdog. But the modern left is authoritarian, obsessed with control, and delights in torturing heretics. They left any claim to the word "liberal" on the field long ago. They have no particular reason to expect loyalty from the younger generations, apart from early brainwashing-- and they pretty clearly understand that.

Now it feels the younger ones have this " shut up and do what your told so we dont get screwed" mentality. Not all of them, but many of them. They don't fully understand what a free world looked like.

I've noticed a worrying trend in a lot of people in my age group under the age of 25 (I'm not completely sure what age cuts off zoomer and millennial, but IMO its 25 and under) is that the ones that are more politically aware are a-OK with authoritarian control when it's their side doing it. Now you might say "isn't that everyone to an extent?", and I would agree with you; however so many zoomers are perfectly fine with their side taking complete control and stripping away their rights so long as their "enemies" get fucked. The rest of zoomers don't give a fuck. Like at all. At best they will troll you or say they support current thing because they don't want to deal with some potential troon banshee reeeeing at them since they literally grew up with the fuckers and know how they react.

A lot of you are saying "the majority just don't give a fuck at all" and it's true, and its a major problem. The hope and care is so far gone that while boomers would cry to the heavens if America became a dictatorship tommorow most zoomers would either just shrug their shoulders, or even worse nod their heads and go "its about time" depending on the beliefs of said dictator. You really shouldn't care about politics too much since that shit isn't healthy and we see where it leads to. However this is beyond that, its total apathy.

We are fucked. The politically active left wing zoomers are the ones you see constantly shitting up twitter, trooning out, sperging about microaggressions, etc. They're following straight into the footsteps of leftist millennials.

Right wing zoomers are either country boys that are lolberts, or kids that got bullied in school that now post constant edgelord shit online to "troll the libs". The rest will just not give a fuck unless it directly affects them heavily, and by that point they will probably just "shut up and do what you're told" by whoever holds the reins in the future.

However I might be wrong on that last point. I am very interested to see what happens when boomers finally start dying off en masse due to old age and gen X becomes the new boomers while the zoomers get to age 35+. Oh things are going to be far worse believe me, but maybe that adversity will actually get peoples heads out their asses and get around to caring about and fixing things.....or just making it worse.
 
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