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If you're defining "nature" as "anything that exists", and if you're defining any argument for God as "God of the gaps", then there's really no possible response to that. You've defined them out of existence. By your own words, anything that appears to be supernatural actually isn't, because from the start there's no such category. I have no idea what sort of evidence you'd be looking for at that point.I had a big thing typed up in which I tried replying to your assertions and conjectures nearly line-by-line - But summarizing it in an illustration is more fun/concise:
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It seems like your personal presumptions and presuppositions to do with how the universe "should" exist or function doesn't tolerate certain functional definitions - Which you insist speaks to the necessity of replacing the model of science itself, rather than your own. The problem we keep returning to is that "universe" and "nature" are inclusive terms; existing specifically to encompass everything - now or ever. If the boundaries of the universe were discovered to be larger or more alien than previously inferred or observed, the new information would simply be incorporated into our current understanding; and "universe" would then additionally include that. "Universe", "world", "nature", "earth," "land" - These words all previously described fewer things.
The model expands by assuming the least of the universe, and works outward by incorporating new information as it is discovered or inferred - Even if previously held conceits or previously workable models have to be revised or discarded for the new info to be incorporated. It doesn't work backwards from presumptions of deism or other ontological ideals - Your fart is considered only once smelled.
Don't confuse science being accurate with science being comprehensive. I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm saying it's incomplete. It's very, very good at the study of the physical world, and categorically the wrong tool for anything else. Just because something lies outside the bounds of science doesn't make it a meaningless question. Questions of morality, for example. Now if you want to be a completely, ruthlessly consistent Nietzsche style materialist and say that even things like consciousness and morality don't exist - I respect that. But that's a worldview, as unproven and unprovable as any other.