US Do BLM/Antifa Scare Tactics Work? Yes, With Some People - Especially if they are women

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From: VDare (Lance Welton)
Date: 2020/30/10
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BLM/Antifa Communists have become particularly notorious for tactics like mobbing innocent white Americans in restaurants and demanding that they “raise the fist” in solidarity or utter the sacred mantra “Black Lives Matter.” This summer, a brave Washington DC diner called Lauren Victor famously refused to comply, despite being surrounded by people, noticeably other women, who raised their fists [BLM protesters accost white diners for not raising fists, By Kenneth Garger, New York Post, August 25, 2020].

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Does mobbing of this kind work as a tactic—to extent of helping to ensure that Joe Biden will be elected president? Unfortunately, the answer is “potentially, yes”—at least in a close contest. (But read to the end to see a caveat).

There is abundant research on how the mob mentality can force people to conform, at least when in the presence of the mob. According to research by Damon Centola of the University of Pennsylvania and his team, when you are part of a group you will tend to conform—even to the extent of stating something to be true which you on some level know is not true—once you witness about 25% of your group do so [Experimental evidence for tipping points in social convention, By Damon Centola et al., Science, 2018]. This percentage seems to constitute a “critical mass;” a “tipping point” after which the rest of the group will migrate over to the minority opinion, especially if fervently expressed, because this opinion appears to be the future, the opinion of the “winning team” that you want to be on.

Centola’s research group demonstrated this effect experimentally by getting groups of people to reach a consensus about the name of someone shown in a particular picture. Group members were then individually exposed to a confederate who promoted a different name as being the correct one. When the number of dissenting confederates was approximately 25% of the group, the opinion of the majority could be “tipped” to that of the minority.

When the number of dissenters was below 25%, only small numbers migrated over, but when it was above it, the migration was dramatic.

The researchers also commented that their result was quite similar to other studies that have found that once 30% of a previously mainly male workplace becomes female then “established norms” will start to be overturned very quickly, because 30% is the “tipping point” [From a small to a large minority: women in Scandinavian politics, By D. Dahlerup, Scandinavian Political Studies, 1988].

So, we can understand what happens when a group of diners are surrounded, and often recorded on cell phones, by an intimidating mob demanding that they raise their fist in solidarity with Black Lives Matter. The first to give in are likely to be those who are the highest in the personality trait called “Neuroticism.” This trait predicts mental instability, feeling negative feelings (such as fear) strongly and generally being an anxious type of person. Research on religious conformity has found that people who are high in this trait score strongly in “extrinsic religiousness” (outwardly conforming) but low in “intrinsic religiousness”—really deeply believing it [Primary personality trait correlates of religious practice and orientation, By Peter Hills et al. Personality and Individual Differences, 2004].

True believers in BLM, among the diners, will also raise their fists. But those who are not easily intimidated will hold out until they sense that approximately 25% of diners have raised their fists. At that point, people that are mentally stable but who are reasonably high in the personality trait Agreeableness (altruism and empathy) can be expected to rapidly conform, because they like cooperating and making other people happy [Sex of researchers and sex-typed communications as determinants of sex differences in influenceability, By Peter Eagly et al., Psychological Bulletin, 1981].

What we would be left with would be people who were low in Agreeableness, meaning that they thrive on conflict and on being non-conformists, and those who were low in Neuroticism, which tends to predict traditional religiousness—something which might incentivise them to oppose the Marxist, atheistic BLM [Primary personality trait correlates of religious practice and orientation, By Peter Hills et al. Personality and Individual Differences, 2004].

Interestingly, one of the anarchists actually asked Lauren Victor “Are you a Christian?”

Women tend to score higher in Neuroticism, Agreeableness [Age differences in personality traits from 10 to 65, By C. Soto et al., Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 2011] and social conformity than men, consistent with anecdotal evidence that they are more likely than men to “conform” when confronted by the mob.

However, there is a difference between immediate conformity to an intimidating mob and actually changing your thinking when outside that specific context. The research presented by Centola and his team would imply that women who “raise the fist” when accosted by BLM Protestors will not necessarily agree with them and, therefore, won’t necessarily vote the way which the mob would want them to, that is against Donald Trump.

That said, it is possible that people who are extremely high in certain aspects of Neuroticism, such as fear, might become concerned about widespread violence—including against them personally as white people—if Trump wins, and so vote for Biden out of fear of this eventuality.

Thus, unfortunately, there may be a level on which a fanatical minority of threatening individuals could, in a very tight race, make a difference to the result.

This is the kind of tactic that is seen in Sub-Saharan Africa. In 2008, then Zimbabwean president Robert Mugabe’s mob would make clear to villagers that if their village voted for the opposition then there would be consequences for the entire village ['Vote Mugabe or you die'. Inside Zimbabwe, the backlash begins, By Chris McGreal, The Guardian, April 10, 2008]. Unfortunately, people who are easily intimidated, and strongly empathetic, might, therefore, think that they had better vote Democrat or there might be “consequences” for their immediate neighbourhood, as the voting patterns can be obtained for specific districts.

Thus, if Trump narrowly loses in crucial states, there is a case for arguing that BLM mobs should be cited as evidence that the vote was not “free and fair”—at least not for female voters, these being more Neurotic, more Agreeable and so more easily intimidated.

Which means that Trump and his advisers made a disastrous mistake in not showing strength and crushing BLK/ Antifa riots at their outset.

But my caveat: it has to be said that even totalitarian societies proved unable to remold people in the way that George Orwell suggested in his novel 1984. In the Soviet Union, religion and national identity survived 70 years of very real terror.

There may be enough people who are high in the personality trait Conscientiousness (impulse control, rule-following, a desire for order) who recoil in absolute horror from the chaos BLM has caused and vote Trump because it.

It’s still possible that Trump’s wait-and see approach will be vindicated, just as Charles De Gaulle waited out the 1968 rioters in France.
 
This is such a dumb mishmash of a bunch of different concepts and reads like someone's college psychology paper.
 
This is such a dumb mishmash of a bunch of different concepts and reads like someone's college psychology paper.

Can penut butter and chocolate taste good to a broken souls or women? Are the females able to comprehend such complexity? My faggy analyst - Gay Weinerlover.
 
when you are part of a group you will tend to conform—even to the extent of stating something to be true which you on some level know is not true—once you witness about 25% of your group do so
Why is this written in second person? Are you calling me retarded? Because what you're describing is the behavior of a retard. And I don't even mean that as an insult. This is how people with an IQ under 70 behave.

Which means that Trump and his advisers made a disastrous mistake in not showing strength and crushing BLK/ Antifa riots at their outset.
100% agree there. The only thing the bottom half of the bell curve truly understands is "follow the leader", and to them "the leader" is first the person who promises them the most gibs and second the person they perceive as the strongest.

BLM and antifa certainly aren't promising to give away free shit - quite the opposite in fact - but neither is Trump, so of the two they're going to gravitate toward the one their primitive ape brains tell them is the most similar to an alpha gorilla, and that is absolutely the antifa/BLM complex right now.
 
That's a lot of words that should have just been "large angry mobs are scary so people do what they want."
 
100% agree there. The only thing the bottom half of the bell curve truly understands is "follow the leader", and to them "the leader" is first the person who promises them the most gibs and second the person they perceive as the strongest.

BLM and antifa certainly aren't promising to give away free shit - quite the opposite in fact - but neither is Trump, so of the two they're going to gravitate toward the one their primitive ape brains tell them is the most similar to an alpha gorilla, and that is absolutely the antifa/BLM complex right now.
Fortunately BLM doesn't really have a leader, which they probably think is a positive because socialism but I think it's one of their biggest weaknesses. If they actually had some kind of charismatic leader, we'd be a lot more fucked.
 
Why is this written in second person? Are you calling me retarded? Because what you're describing is the behavior of a retard. And I don't even mean that as an insult. This is how people with an IQ under 70 behave.
I haven't even heard of "second person" so obviously you're overqualified for this paper.
 
Fortunately BLM doesn't really have a leader, which they probably think is a positive because socialism but I think it's one of their biggest weaknesses. If they actually had some kind of charismatic leader, we'd be a lot more fucked.
Isn't Alicia Garza the "founder"? Thankfully, she's not exactly charismatic but it's still a sort of "leader".
 
Why is this written in second person? Are you calling me retarded? Because what you're describing is the behavior of a retard. And I don't even mean that as an insult. This is how people with an IQ under 70 behave.
No it's not. Not only is this something most people do regularly, usually over small stuff they don't care that much about not to be assholes or waste time, it's a genuine and working surviving strategy. People fight those that they disagree with and fight can mean getting hurt or even death. This gets worse if there are large numbers of people disagreement and they have shown willingness to hurt. One way to avoid that is reading a situation and going along with people regatgardless what you feel about the topic itself. I remember watching a documentary about islamic terrorist that took plane full of people hostage. One woman on board was openly not muslim and not a fan of islam but she immediately put on scarf when told by these large men with guns. She didn't feel sorry, she didn't feel stupid and considering their actions against a guy whose crime in the situation was not being scared (they took him out of of the plane and shoot him to show that they were serious) probably saved her life.
 
I understand wanting to be on the winning team, but I don't understand denying objective reality just because others did too.
Humans are herd animals

so they reference parts of the Big 5 personality inventory used in a lot of pop psychology (and some academic psychology). Out of curiosity I took a Big 5 test. Going by their assumptions in this article, I don't think anyone who harasses me at my table is going to get what they expect.
 
What a stupid article. People will either agree and comply or disagree and not want to. Those who disagree will comply or not depending on circumstances and perceived threat level. Are my kids with me? Is my large scary looking husband with me? Am I armed? Am I alone or in a group? Can I safely get away? How mad is this crowd? What’s at stake?
 
It won't make a difference to how people vote because voting is anonymous. Raise your fist to shut them up and then go and vote Trump.
 
It won't make a difference to how people vote because voting is anonymous. Raise your fist to shut them up and then go and vote Trump.

Hopefully a lot of the people who'd be intimidated by BLM/Antifa thuggery and cancel culture will remember that we have a secret ballot and they can vote for Trump and then lie and say they voted for Biden if asked by some wokester.

The only way I could see direct intimidation is if we get Antifa punks and BLM joggers standing directly at the polling places to threaten people. Even in today's climate, that shit won't fly outside of Portland and maybe Seattle.
 
Leftists: Same circus, same tricks, new clowns.
Some Dude said:
Before two years had passed, the theory as well as the technical methods of Social Democracy were clear to me.

I understood the infamous spiritual terror which this movement exerts, particularly on the bourgeoisie, which is neither morally nor mentally equal to such attacks; at a given sign it unleashes a veritable barrage of lies and slanders against whatever adversary seems most dangerous, until the nerves of the attacked persons break down and, just to have peace again, they sacrifice the hated individual.

However, the fools obtain no peace.

The game begins again and is repeated over and over until fear of the mad dog results in suggestive paralysis.

Since the Social Democrats best know the value of force from their own experience, they most violently attack those in whose nature they detect any of this substance which is so rare. Conversely, they praise every weakling on the opposing side, sometimes cautiously, sometimes loudly, depending on the real or supposed quality of his intelligence.

They fear an impotent, spineless genius less than a forceful nature of moderate intelligence.

But with the greatest enthusiasm they commend weaklings in both mind and force.

They know how to create the illusion that this is the only way of preserving the peace, and at the same time, stealthily but steadily, they conquer one position after another, sometimes by silent blackmail, sometimes by actual theft, at moments when the general attention is directed toward other matters, and either does not want to be disturbed or considers the matter too small to raise a stir about, thus again irritating the vicious antagonist.

This is a tactic based on precise calculation of all human weaknesses, and its result will lead to success with almost mathematical certainty unless the opposing side learns to combat poison gas with poison gas.

It is our duty to inform all weaklings that this is a question of to be or not to be.

I achieved an equal understanding of the importance of physical terror toward the individual and the masses.

Here, too, the psychological effect can be calculated with precision.

Terror at the place of employment, in the factory, in the meeting hall, and on the occasion of mass demonstrations will always be successful unless opposed by equal terror.

In this case, to be sure, the party will cry bloody murder; though it has long despised all state authority, it will set up a howling cry for that same authority and in most cases will actually attain its goal amid the general confusion: it will find some idiot of a higher official who, in the imbecilic hope of propitiating the feared adversary for later eventualities, will help this world plague to break its opponent.

The impression made by such a success on the minds of the great masses of supporters as well as opponents can only be measured by those who know the soul of a people, not from books, but from life. For while in the ranks of their supporters the victory achieved seems a triumph of the justice of their own cause, the defeated adversary in most cases despairs of the success of any further resistance.
 
Remember when Democrats spent the 2000s claiming US bombings in the middle east would turn otherwise peaceful Muslims violent seeking retribution?

yeah...


The only way I could see direct intimidation is if we get Antifa punks and BLM joggers standing directly at the polling places to threaten people. Even in today's climate, that shit won't fly outside of Portland and maybe Seattle.
Or the Obama administration.

Back in 2008 the Black Panthers stood outside a Philly voting station armed with a club threatening white voters.

The Obama DOJ pushed to drop the case claiming lack of evidence even though the entire thing was on video.

 
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Fortunately BLM doesn't really have a leader, which they probably think is a positive because socialism but I think it's one of their biggest weaknesses. If they actually had some kind of charismatic leader, we'd be a lot more fucked.
Antifa can't have a leader because he'd be vulnerable to vicarious liability prosecution. Look up Tom Metzger of the White Aryan Resistance for precedents.
 
Antifa can't have a leader because he'd be vulnerable to vicarious liability prosecution. Look up Tom Metzger of the White Aryan Resistance for precedents.

There's a reason why so many criminal groups and terrorist groups operate in a decentralized way and this is why.

There's probably a de facto leader or group of leaders in some of the larger Antifa groups like Rose City Antifa but they'll never call themselves that since it makes it harder to prosecute them.
 
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