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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 433 27.4%

  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%

  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,088 68.9%
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Tfw you learn the first american film to use the word "Vagina." Was not only an animated one but a Disney one.

The story of menstruation
 
vern said:
So this happened.
https://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/news/2020/11/23/brightline-enters-agreement-with-disney.html
Not much info aside from them announcing the station will be built in Disney Springs, although doing a bit of background research Brightline has stated in the past they won't start construction until they finish their current phase in 2022-2023.
And who knows what state the company/park will be in by then.
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So you can hop between Miami's nude beach and Disney World in no time, cool!
 
It’s basically Inside Out but for some reason the entertainment media wants us to focus on the black guy who plays a piano
 
Xerxes IX said:
It'll get overshadowed by controversy in the Twitter and journo spheres the same way Homeward with its "the first openly gay character in a Pixar movie...but she's a cop" did
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I've already seen controversy, the usual suspects are assmad because black characters aren't allowed to transform (even though calling this a transformation is a stretch), his soul is bluegreen like everyone else instead of brown, and then a WHITE WOMAN takes over his body and later on he wants to help the WHITE WOMAN because that's also not allowed. Bottom line is that, as always, it's not good enough.

Oh, and apparently The Princess and the Frog is problematic again because Tiana and Prince Naveen spend the majority of the movie as frogs, so they aren't "really" black.
 
MysticMisty said:
Oh, and apparently The Princess and the Frog is problematic again because Tiana and Prince Naveen spend the majority of the movie as frogs, so they aren't "really" black.
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I became a big fan of The Princess and The Frog back in 2009, when I saw the movie in theaters. I think it's ridiculously underrated.

Throughout the years, though, the only people I have seen who have called it "racist" are bored, pseudo-intellectual white people. Of course.

"She's a frog for half the movie, so that's racist!" Nevermind that Cinderella was practically a slave for most of her movie, Aurora and Snow White were in comas for the big portion of their movies, Ariel was deaf for half of her movie, Belle and Rapunzel were prisoners, etc ...
 
Vyse Inglebard said:
FTFY. But yeah, agree with your other points. Also, has anyone seen Godmothered yet? God-DAMN that was a piece of shit.
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Thanks for the correction; definitely had a brain fart when I said she was deaf, lol.

Haven't seen Godmothered yet ... The premise itself seemed cute, but I was immediately turned off when I saw the trailer. It looked like a fourth rate Enchanted (which is probably my favorite Disney movie in the past 20 years altogether).
 
StarkRavingMad said:
I became a big fan of The Princess and The Frog back in 2009, when I saw the movie in theaters. I think it's ridiculously underrated.

Throughout the years, though, the only people I have seen who have called it "racist" are bored, pseudo-intellectual white people. Of course.

"She's a frog for half the movie, so that's racist!" Nevermind that Cinderella was practically a slave for most of her movie, Aurora and Snow White were in comas for the big portion of their movies, Ariel was deaf for half of her movie, Belle and Rapunzel were prisoners, etc ...
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I mean, you're not wrong (especially about them being white pseudo-intellectuals, which is a bit generous), but of course they won't care. Especially since their specific bitching is that only the non-white characters transform, everytime. Which is ridiculous because Aladdin only transformed into a prince (who looked just like him but better dressed, and with an elephant instead of a monkey), Pocahontas didn't transform at all, Mulan was only in disguise, Lilo didn't transform either, the characters in Big Hero 6 only transformed figuratively, and Moana didn't transform either (Maui did, he just sucked at it generally, and it wasn't even the main point of the movie).

With the Pixar movies there's almost nothing to compare it to since most of them don't even have people as the main character, but out of seven movies that actually have humans as the main character, only two have transformations, and one of them is Brave, so I don't even know where this bitching is coming from.
 
StarkRavingMad said:
Haven't seen Godmothered yet ... The premise itself seemed cute, but I was immediately turned off when I saw the trailer. It looked like a fourth rate Enchanted (which is probably my favorite Disney movie in the past 20 years altogether).
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Spot fucking on in that description.

Here's the opening monologue so that you know what I mean:

[Open the way all Disney attempts to be cutely postmodern with their fantasy tropes open, on an illustrated storybook. This one is titled The Joy of Fairy Godmothering.]

"Once upon a time there was a magical place called the Motherland, where fairy godmothers lived and learned all they needed to know about godmothering. Oh blah blah blah. we all know how this bit goes. This is not your usual fairy tale. Fairy tales end with happily ever after. And that's where we begin!"

[voiceover ends, dialogue begins]

"Good morning, Motherland! It's almost the weekend, and you know what that means. Grab a pumpkin - raise your wands - break out the glass slippers - it's time to party like it's 1699! I'm gonna kick things off with everyone's favorite pop hit!"

[she starts playing "Der Hölle Rache" from The Magic Flute, in the middle, right before the first coloratura passage]

[back to voiceover]

"I'm Agnes. I'm 172 years old, at least, and I'm too cool for school. It's why they made me the resident DJ. And I don't have to go to lessons!"

-

Ohhhh boyyy, where to begin?

First of all, "Motherland" - that's what you're going to name your fantasy kingdom? But that's a failure of imagination, not anything worse.

"Oh blah blah blah. we all know how this bit goes. This is not your usual fairy tale." - Yeah, it acutally kind of is the usual fairy tale these days, this passive-aggressive ("blah" my ass), hyper self-aware, "subversive" bullshit. Godmothered even has the big swinging balls to play the "what if 'true love' was ACTUALLY between female blood relatives, not heterosexual couple formation?" card as if it's something shocking and totally unexpected to stop beating Disney's dead horse, rather than something quickly turning into its own dead horse. This is especially irritating because the heterosexual couple that thus doesn't form is the only interpersonal relationship in the film with any kind of genuine chemistry.

"Fairy tales end with happily ever after. And that's where we begin!" - What? That's not even remotely where we begin. What the fuck does this mean?

"Grab a pumpkin - raise your wands - break out the glass slippers - it's time to party like it's 1699!" - Well, that just speaks for itself, I hope. As does the "irony" of calling an opera from 1791 a "pop hit". Because fairies like to listen to songs sung by magical women who symbolize evil and destruction, for some reason?

"I'm 172 years old, at least." Then you should know that The Magic Flute is 229 years old and not pop music, dipshit.

"I'm too cool for school. It's why they made me the resident DJ. And I don't have to go to lessons!" - Haha because it is in fact not cool to be extremely old and think that opera is hip and use outdated phrases like "too cool for school". But what actually gets my panties in a twist here is that "I don't have to go to lessons" - like, DJ lessons? Yeah, I mean, most people don't.

And it only gets worse from there.

TL;DR - Stay away from Godmothered. Watch Enchanted instead.
 
Vyse Inglebard said:
Spot fucking on in that description.

Here's the opening monologue so that you know what I mean:

[Open the way all Disney attempts to be cutely postmodern with their fantasy tropes open, on an illustrated storybook. This one is titled The Joy of Fairy Godmothering.]

"Once upon a time there was a magical place called the Motherland, where fairy godmothers lived and learned all they needed to know about godmothering. Oh blah blah blah. we all know how this bit goes. This is not your usual fairy tale. Fairy tales end with happily ever after. And that's where we begin!"

[voiceover ends, dialogue begins]

"Good morning, Motherland! It's almost the weekend, and you know what that means. Grab a pumpkin - raise your wands - break out the glass slippers - it's time to party like it's 1699! I'm gonna kick things off with everyone's favorite pop hit!"

[she starts playing "Der Hölle Rache" from The Magic Flute, in the middle, right before the first coloratura passage]

[back to voiceover]

"I'm Agnes. I'm 172 years old, at least, and I'm too cool for school. It's why they made me the resident DJ. And I don't have to go to lessons!"

-

Ohhhh boyyy, where to begin?

First of all, "Motherland" - that's what you're going to name your fantasy kingdom? But that's a failure of imagination, not anything worse.

"Oh blah blah blah. we all know how this bit goes. This is not your usual fairy tale." - Yeah, it acutally kind of is the usual fairy tale these days, this passive-aggressive ("blah" my ass), hyper self-aware, "subversive" bullshit. Godmothered even has the big swinging balls to play the "what if 'true love' was ACTUALLY between female blood relatives, not heterosexual couple formation?" card as if it's something shocking and totally unexpected to stop beating Disney's dead horse, rather than something quickly turning into its own dead horse. This is especially irritating because the heterosexual couple that thus doesn't form is the only interpersonal relationship in the film with any kind of genuine chemistry.

"Fairy tales end with happily ever after. And that's where we begin!" - What? That's not even remotely where we begin. What the fuck does this mean?

"Grab a pumpkin - raise your wands - break out the glass slippers - it's time to party like it's 1699!" - Well, that just speaks for itself, I hope. As does the "irony" of calling an opera from 1791 a "pop hit". Because fairies like to listen to songs sung by magical women who symbolize evil and destruction, for some reason?

"I'm 172 years old, at least." Then you should know that The Magic Flute is 229 years old and not pop music, dipshit.

"I'm too cool for school. It's why they made me the resident DJ. And I don't have to go to lessons!" - Haha because it is in fact not cool to be extremely old and think that opera is hip and use outdated phrases like "too cool for school". But what actually gets my panties in a twist here is that "I don't have to go to lessons" - like, DJ lessons? Yeah, I mean, most people don't.

And it only gets worse from there.

TL;DR - Stay away from Godmothered. Watch Enchanted instead.
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Enchanted completely works as a film because while it certainly played with the fairytale tropes, it also had genuine fun with them (and not in a mocking way either). Giselle, while naive, was also charming as hell and not at all annoying (which, to be honest, that character had every single risk of becoming annoying, too).

Also, the whole "sibling love can be true love as well!" is not a message that I am opposed to. I know a lot of people shit on Frozen these days, but I loved the finale of that movie because the entire story was focused on the broken relationship of the sisters. It only makes sense for the climax of the movie to be about the sisters, too.

I'm not at all opposed to focusing on "love within your own family." I'm all for a pro-family message. However ... Disney recycling their ideas is so incredibly lame ... But not at all unexpected given the fucking trashfire their movies have been for the past five years or so. I am also incredibly sick of them shitting on romantic love. Romantic love is insanely important too, no matter how badly people want to prove otherwise.

So ... Yeah ... I'm going to give Godmothered a hard pass. Thanks for the warning!
 
StarkRavingMad said:
Also, the whole "sibling love can be true love as well!" is not a message that I am opposed to. I know a lot of people shit on Frozen these days, but I loved the finale of that movie because the entire story was focused on the broken relationship of the sisters. It only makes sense for the climax of the movie to be about the sisters, too.
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I think part of the problem I have with Frozen‘s sister dynamic is that it worked better in their earlier drafts of the story when Elsa was more antagonistic (but not a villain) by the second act and the central emotional conflict revolved around the bitterness and resentment that built up between Elsa & Anna over a lifetime of miscommunication.

The cut song "Life’s Too Short" and its reprisal are stronger than "For The First Time In Forever" reprise musically & narratively imo, and the time they had to waste making Hans into the new Disney villain only weakened the sisters’ storyline, and I always thought the shift to make Elsa more anxious rather than repressed just made her look kinda selfish when compared to her making her younger sister attend their parents’ funeral alone. Although hands down I think Elsa’s stage musical song “Monster" is leagues better than "Let It Go."
 
One Man Bland said:
I think part of the problem I have with Frozen‘s sister dynamic is that it worked better in their earlier drafts of the story when Elsa was more antagonistic (but not a villain) by the second act and the central emotional conflict revolved around the bitterness and resentment that built up between Elsa & Anna over a lifetime of miscommunication.

The cut song "Life’s Too Short" and its reprisal are stronger than "For The First Time In Forever" reprise musically & narratively imo, and the time they had to waste making Hans into the new Disney villain only weakened the sisters’ storyline, and I always thought the shift to make Elsa more anxious rather than repressed just made her look kinda selfish when compared to her making her younger sister attend their parents’ funeral alone. Although hands down I think Elsa’s stage musical song “Monster" is leagues better than "Let It Go."
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Life's Too Short is great
 
Explain to me why would I watch a live action PG film with feminine incest when I can go to any of the porn tubes for real life sister and sister and mom and daughter incest action?
 
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