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[A Grey Cat]

Oliver and Company was made in that weird period after they suffered a huge flop with The Black Cauldron and they went for "safer" movies with things that were more easily marketable, like cute talking animals and Billie Joel as a singing dog, and also it was the first Disney film to include real world product placement. They really needed to get something profitable while Universal and Don Bluth were eating their lunch with stuff like An American Tail and Land Before Time.

Yeah that was an awkward transition era from the lowest point of the dark age but before the decade long Renaissance. Still it had what must have been the saddest opening in any Disney film at that time. A ginger kitten is left un-adopted; gets washed out of the box he calls home, is almost drowned down a sewer, and then almost eaten by stray dogs. @Muttnik says we all cried at "Hi Dad" soup, which I did, but that opening had me begging my parents to get us a cat for months.

 

[Keine]

Yeah that was an awkward transition era from the lowest point of the dark age but before the decade long Renaissance. Still it had what must have been the saddest opening in any Disney film at that time. A ginger kitten is left un-adopted; gets washed out of the box he calls home, is almost drowned down a sewer, and then almost eaten by stray dogs. @Muttnik says we all cried at "Hi Dad" soup, which I did, but that opening had me begging my parents to get us a cat for months.

I haven't watched either movie in a while so I don't remember how I felt. I'll have to watch it again to see if it hits me as hard as, say, that one scene from The Fox and Hound does.

 

[IDanceonTrannyGraves]

I mean, I sort of get what you're saying, but on the other hand all the Canadians I've ever encountered online have always been weirdly obsessed with being Canadian and how it makes them far better than stupid Americans. Usually followed by lol learn to take a joke, stupid American.

I used to be like that, but then Trudeau got into office, I grew up and learned how shit we are compared to the rest of the world.

 

[MysticMisty]

and they went for "safer" movies

Odd choice of words for a movie where two Doberman get third rail'd (and actually shows one getting electrocuted).

Still it had what must have been the saddest opening in any Disney film at that time. A ginger kitten is left un-adopted; gets washed out of the box he calls home, is almost drowned down a sewer, and then almost eaten by stray dogs.

He's almost eaten by dogs several times, almost run over at least once, and gets hurt and almost dies during the climax. Plus you've got the loan shark villain who openly talks about putting people in cement shoes as opposed to the usual threats of fantasy death. If you sit down and think about it, it's pretty dark for this type of Disney movie.

Edit: This was kind of a downer post. To make up for it, here's I 2 I.

 

[CharcoalChkn]

I haven't watched either movie in a while so I don't remember how I felt. I'll have to watch it again to see if it hits me as hard as, say, that one scene from The Fox and Hound does.

The Fox and the Hound is one of my favourite childhood movies and even thinking about that scene can make me tear up a little depending on the day. I'm really not sure what it is about it that sticks with me so much to this day.

 

[Some Badger]

Online Canadians seem to have a stick up their collective ass about how their country is "tEh BeSt." Maybe that attitude is more common in the big cities.

I had a Canadian classmate in second grade who literally wouldn’t shut the fuck up about being from Montreal and basically made it his entire identity to the point that other kids started making fun of him for it. He works for Delta now and the last time I checked his Facebook page, he’s been posting multiple statuses a week for like 6 years straight that just say ‘YUL’ followed by an airplane emoji. More than half the people on his friends list are American last time I looked.

My point being is Canadians really like to remind Americans that they are Canadian.

I think a lot of urban Canadians and Canadian expats have been forced to re-evaluate their smugness after the Freedom Convoy though. All my life I’ve heard progs sing the praises of Canada as if it the entire country was just Toronto, but the protests served as a reminder that there’s a large silent majority outside the cities whose beliefs are considered verboten by modern canadaphiles.

Anyway, on the topic of Disney movies, I’m probably gonna sit out on Turning Red for now and see how I feel in a couple weeks when the Twitter furries stop blowing smoke up its ass and turn their attention to the next pop culture piece with an anthropomorphic animal lead.

 

[Ruin]

I had this thought last night but when is the last time Disney actually made a film with a male non animal lead? Probably Big Hero 6. The last twenty or so Disney films have always starred the exact same spunky, plucky, fiercely independent, little girl protagonist.

 

[whitepumpkin]

I had a Canadian classmate in second grade who literally wouldn’t shut the fuck up about being from Montreal and basically made it his entire identity [...] My point being is Canadians really like to remind Americans that they are Canadian.

I think a lot of urban Canadians and Canadian expats have been forced to re-evaluate their smugness after the Freedom Convoy though. All my life I’ve heard progs sing the praises of Canada as if it the entire country was just Toronto, but the protests served as a reminder that there’s a large silent majority outside the cities whose beliefs are considered verboten by modern canadaphiles.

Urbanites from Montreal and Toronto never shut the fuck up about themselves and think they're the representations of the entire nation, when most of us would be happy to see a Minecraft lava pit inexplicably erupt beneath their infrastructure. I was actually pretty annoyed Turning Red is flashing itself as representation for Canada too with it's other crap because it's the equivalent of a film set in New York being marketed to the world as "American Representation".

Plus, if the film wanted to actually show off what living in Chinatown is like, there'd be homeless drug addicts everywhere, shit all over the streets, and broken windows past every shop. It's a fantasy in itself to imagine some rosy ideal of growing up in the parts of major Canadian cities that usually have the most crime rate and filth.

 

[Some Badger]

Urbanites from Montreal and Toronto never shut the fuck up about themselves and think they're the representations of the entire nation, when most of us would be happy to see a Minecraft lava pit inexplicably erupt beneath their infrastructure. I was actually pretty annoyed Turning Red is flashing itself as representation for Canada too with it's other crap because it's the equivalent of a film set in New York being marketed to the world as "American Representation".

Plus, if the film wanted to actually show off what living in Chinatown is like, there'd be homeless drug addicts everywhere, shit all over the streets, and broken windows past every shop. It's a fantasy in itself to imagine some rosy ideal of growing up in the parts of major Canadian cities that usually have the most crime rate and filth.

Not gonna lie, I actually did think the movie took place in New York going off the pre-release dodgeball scene alone, since the whole exterior looks like the blacktop outside a Lower East Side public school. I didn’t know it took place in the 2000s either, which only further reinforces my hatred for modern aesthetics.

I don’t think there’s a single Chinatown in any North American city that isn’t hyped up by wokies and tourism boards as some “slice of Asia” tourist trap. As the case in NYC, the moment you walk off Canal street is when you start seeing layers of grime, used condoms, pavement shrapnel and homeless encampments in what few pockets of space Chinatown actually has. If you’re a non-residential local, you go to Chinatown for cheap Asian goods and maybe a meal, then you get the hell out.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Still it had what must have been the saddest opening in any Disney film at that time. A ginger kitten is left un-adopted; gets washed out of the box he calls home, is almost drowned down a sewer, and then almost eaten by stray dogs.

I haven't watched either movie in a while so I don't remember how I felt. I'll have to watch it again to see if it hits me as hard as, say, that one scene from The Fox and Hound does.

The Fox and the Hound is one of my favourite childhood movies and even thinking about that scene can make me tear up a little depending on the day. I'm really not sure what it is about it that sticks with me so much to this day.

You can keep "Hi Dad Soup", you can keep Fox and the Hound , hell, you can even keep Mufasa's death, Bambi's mom, and Snow White's funeral.

THESE are the Disney scenes that always, without fail, rip me to shreds. Why? Because of how....real they feel. Like, Mufasa, right? Sure his death is sad, but, at the end of the day, he's just a cartoon lion. Plus, we never really got to know him aside from like....one or two scenes interacting with Simba. Lilo and Nani, on the other hand, we've gotten to know them throughout almost the entire movie, and the struggles that they go through, unlike a lot of other Disney movies, feel more grounded in reality. Trauma is woven throughout this movie – Nani is constantly at a frayed edge and has loud verbal outbursts in an attempt to cope with being a parent to a sister who is also traumatized. Stitch wants to respond to his primal urges, and can’t. Lilo is depressed, has catastrophic outbursts, and wants to control everything because she’s still nursing the trauma of losing her parents. The only thing they have left is one another, and in these two scenes, it legitimately feels like pretty soon, they might not even have that. Emotional storytelling at its finest.

Odd choice of words for a movie where two Doberman get third rail'd (and actually shows one getting electrocuted).

And a movie where the main villain dies like this:

 

[starborn427614]

I had this thought last night but when is the last time Disney actually made a film with a male non animal lead? Probably Big Hero 6. The last twenty or so Disney films have always starred the exact same spunky, plucky, fiercely independent, little girl protagonist.

Toy Story 4?

 

[Oats12345]

Urbanites from Montreal and Toronto never shut the fuck up about themselves and think they're the representations of the entire nation, when most of us would be happy to see a Minecraft lava pit inexplicably erupt beneath their infrastructure. I was actually pretty annoyed Turning Red is flashing itself as representation for Canada too with it's other crap because it's the equivalent of a film set in New York being marketed to the world as "American Representation".

Plus, if the film wanted to actually show off what living in Chinatown is like, there'd be homeless drug addicts everywhere, shit all over the streets, and broken windows past every shop. It's a fantasy in itself to imagine some rosy ideal of growing up in the parts of major Canadian cities that usually have the most crime rate and filth.

So it's Montreal and Toronto that made me believe Canadians were ignoring assholes who couldn't shut up about how great Canada truly was. Although the freedom cononvay help show me that not all Canadians are assholes like that.

 

[Overcast]

You can keep "Hi Dad Soup", you can keep Fox and the Hound , hell, you can even keep Mufasa's death, Bambi's mom, and Snow White's funeral.
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THESE are the Disney scenes that always, without fail, rip me to shreds. Why? Because of how....real they feel. Like, Mufasa, right? Sure his death is sad, but, at the end of the day, he's just a cartoon lion. Plus, we never really got to know him aside from like....one or two scenes interacting with Simba. Lilo and Nani, on the other hand, we've gotten to know them throughout almost the entire movie, and the struggles that they go through, unlike a lot of other Disney movies, feel more grounded in reality. Trauma is woven throughout this movie – Nani is constantly at a frayed edge and has loud verbal outbursts in an attempt to cope with being a parent to a sister who is also traumatized. Stitch wants to respond to his primal urges, and can’t. Lilo is depressed, has catastrophic outbursts, and wants to control everything because she’s still nursing the trauma of losing her parents. The only thing they have left is one another, and in these two scenes, it legitimately feels like pretty soon, they might not even have that. Emotional storytelling at its finest.

“I’m... waiting.”

“For what?” *steps on something* *looks down and see a book titled “The Ugly Duckling”*

“...Family.”

“Ahhh... You don’t have one. I made you.”

“Maybe... I could...”

“You were built to destroy. You can never belong.”

That exchange tore me up inside.

 

[A Grey Cat]

"Three sunrises, three sunsets, three days Faggin."

"three sunrises three susnets three days?...sooo nine?"

"NO...Three days."

Probably the best line from that movie, I don't why people say Sykes was a lousy villian aside getting run over by a subway train. The cold callous way he delivered that line showed he was more than ready to fit Faggin for a pair of cement shoes, the three days thing was just there to give him false hope and watch him squirm.

 

[The Nothingness]

Well the bad news keeps on coming for Disney.

 

[Someone in a Tree]

In Disney adjacent news, just like Brad Bird a few weeks ago, it has been announced that Rich Moore, the director of Wreck-it Ralph and Zootopia, is joining Skydance Animation, the studio run by John Lasseter. I’m curious if Lee Unkrich, the director of Toy Story 3 and Coco who left Pixar shortly after the latter’s Oscar win, will eventually wind up there.

 

[A Grey Cat]

In Disney adjacent news, just like Brad Bird a few weeks ago, it has been announced that Rich Moore, the director of Wreck-it Ralph and Zootopia, is joining Skydance Animation, the studio run by John Lasseter. I’m curious if Lee Unkrich, the director of Toy Story 3 and Coco who left Pixar shortly after the latter’s Oscar win, will eventually wind up there.

yeah score one for mr Lasseter and co. first brad bird now moore. I see good things in store for skydance's future.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

In Disney adjacent news, just like Brad Bird a few weeks ago, it has been announced that Rich Moore, the director of Wreck-it Ralph and Zootopia, is joining Skydance Animation, the studio run by John Lasseter. I’m curious if Lee Unkrich, the director of Toy Story 3 and Coco who left Pixar shortly after the latter’s Oscar win, will eventually wind up there.

"Pixar is doing just fine as the diverse and woke animation studio we need in today's world!"
Meanwhile:

 

[A Grey Cat]

"Stratogirl! (stratogale?) April 23rd, 57! Cape caught in a jet turbine!"

"Metaman express elevator!"

"Dynaguy snag on takeoff!"

"Splashdown! Sucked into a vortex!"

"NO CAPES!!!"

 

[MysticMisty]

"Three sunrises, three sunsets, three days Faggin."

"three sunrises three susnets three days?...sooo nine?"

"NO...Three days."

Probably the best line from that movie, I don't why people say Sykes was a lousy villian aside getting run over by a subway train. The cold callous way he delivered that line showed he was more than ready to fit Faggin for a pair of cement shoes, the three days thing was just there to give him false hope and watch him squirm.

Yeah, I don't think Oliver and Company was the safe movie. For what seems to be a fairly standard cute talking animal animated movie there's a lot of real fucked up shit going on. And it's not like it's fantasy land in Europe circa 1600-whatever and all the bad shit is done through magic, it's 1988 New York City. I can only imagine how many people were actually murdered that year, never mind how many people just "disappeared" for various "reasons" but since a body never turned up the police couldn't officially declare them murdered.

Honestly I think it was Little Mermaid the next year that was really the safe choice, since it was more along the lines of the classical movies and kicked off the Renaissance.