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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 433 27.4%
  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%
  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,088 68.9%

  • Total voters
    1,578
After reading through this thread. I wonder if Disney intentionally enjoys pissing of their sane fans into becoming haters, while their most devoted, bat shit insane white knights lap everything up from Disney?
That's how they've been handling the theme parks. They're pissing off even the obsessive theme park regulars by driving up prices for worse and less experiences. Look at that embarrassment of a Star Wars LARP hotel. They know the audience they want and it's rich dedicated shills who'll happily drop thousands of dollars because it's DISNEY and EXPENSIVE.
 
Modern Disney is what happens when a company that's too big to fail is taken to its logical, narcoleptic conclusion. When all you have to do to print payola is to take one of your animated classics (or not-so-classics), spray some ugly live action CGI paint over it, and throw in a few woke good boy points for good measure, guess what TF they're gonna make for-fucking-ever? I asked myself the same question not too long ago: "When did Disney go from 'when you wish upon a star' to 'when an executive wants a brand-new car'?" And then it hit me: it was always this way. Case in point:
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Notice how, between the early 90s and mid-2000s, there was a onslaught of DTV sequels to said animated classics? It's for the same reason that the live-action remakes exist:
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They made a loooooot of moolah for old Michael Rat. The fault lies with the general public here, as well. Instead of rejecting this slop, they gladly gave the Rat their cash, because, fuck, something's gotta shut little Timmy/Tara up for a couple of hours. It's sad, really. *sigh*
I kinda want to say take out the Atlantis sequel and Stitch the Movie, since they're both basically starting episodes for TV shows. In the former's case the Atlantis series was canned before it ever aired, while the latter had a very successful run with a very mis-matched name (it had to do with trying to appeal more to the Asian market and then changing their mind). At any rate there's a very different feel to these two compared to everything else up there, minus Return of Jafar which was the same thing, but it's also patient zero for this so I feel less sympathy (and I say this as someone who watched the Aladdin TV show back in the 90's).

iirc wasn't there even internal conflicts of people going "bruh" at the highers-up going full Land Before Time XVII with the direct-to-video shit?
Pretty sure there was. I think it had to do with how they were cheapening the brand and it wasn't a good look. I wonder if the same thing is going on now with the "live action" remakes.

I remember going into video stores at the time and going "Land Before Time and Disney sequels everywhere! Do people watch these???"

Apparently, they did.
Dumb little kids and the parents who just want them quiet for a couple hours, yeah. Way back in the 90's my childhood best friend was way into the Land Before Time sequels when they first started, way more than the original (superior) movie. So I had to watch them a lot with her to make her happy even though I didn't like them. So it wasn't completely universal, but a lot of kids didn't care if they weren't exposed to higher quality movies. I believe these make up a large bulk of adults who will defend them today as "not that bad". Or were overly sensitive and scared too easily.

And actually, that brings me to another reason for these movies; for parents who remember the originals fondly, but don't want their kids exposed to them "too soon". These parents really do exist, as my ex has a cousin who is that parent (along with their spouse). He found this out at a family gettogether where someone decided to put in something for the kids to watch (keep them out of the way and quiet), another person suggested their childhood favorites that were basically universal among the group, and then said cousin and spouse went "okay, but only these sequels not the originals." When asked why, they said that they didn't want their kids to see the originals because they were "too young" to know death or be slightly scared for a minute. Despite being the same age (or close to it) when they saw the originals for the first time. My ex was disgusted and called them out on their hypocrisy.
 
The ironic thing is that with The Land Before Time, I saw the original first...when I was at my youngest, and I loved it. It was one of my childhood favorites. I saw the direct to video sequels when I was a little older and I swear to God I can't remember anything about them, and I can't even tell you how many of them I even saw. Two or three maybe.

The first was scary, intense, sad, but it was also exciting and delivered on a happy ending to make the journey worth it.

When I think of the shit I watched as a kid, and how kids today are being shielded from stuff that's not even that bad, I shake my head. I say test a kids limits. Show them something, and if they can't handle it, then they can't handle it. Let them tell you if a kids movie is too much for them.

And hey, as a wise man once said, you can't just start with Texas Chainsaw Massacre. You gotta work your way up to it, and that starts with slightly intense kids films, like Land Before Time, Return to Oz, Secret of NIMH, and Transformer the Movie (the real one, not the Michael Bay films).
 
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Dumb little kids and the parents who just want them quiet for a couple hours, yeah. Way back in the 90's my childhood best friend was way into the Land Before Time sequels when they first started, way more than the original (superior) movie. So I had to watch them a lot with her to make her happy even though I didn't like them. So it wasn't completely universal, but a lot of kids didn't care if they weren't exposed to higher quality movies. I believe these make up a large bulk of adults who will defend them today as "not that bad". Or were overly sensitive and scared too easily.

And actually, that brings me to another reason for these movies; for parents who remember the originals fondly, but don't want their kids exposed to them "too soon". These parents really do exist, as my ex has a cousin who is that parent (along with their spouse). He found this out at a family gettogether where someone decided to put in something for the kids to watch (keep them out of the way and quiet), another person suggested their childhood favorites that were basically universal among the group, and then said cousin and spouse went "okay, but only these sequels not the originals." When asked why, they said that they didn't want their kids to see the originals because they were "too young" to know death or be slightly scared for a minute. Despite being the same age (or close to it) when they saw the originals for the first time. My ex was disgusted and called them out on their hypocrisy.
Jesus Christ, I feel bad for those kids.
 
Children should watch stuff that's a bit scary. I'm not talking about R rated horror or anything, but spooky themes or atmosphere heavy shows like Are You Afraid of the dark help build character as well as resistance to anxiety.
 
Children should watch stuff that's a bit scary. I'm not talking about R rated horror or anything, but spooky themes or atmosphere heavy shows like Are You Afraid of the dark help build character as well as resistance to anxiety.
It'd be super interesting to do a study on adults who have constant "anxiety attacks" and ask what childhood films they grew up with, and what they weren't allowed to watch. Given a lot of them are into kiddie shows and into the creepy fetish shit that plagues DeviantArt, there could be a correlation of not being allowed to watch "scary movies" on top of how a lot of kids' movies these days that just feel too safe and yet have an unsettling adult following.

Like legit: What was the last Disney film (animated or live-action) that was actually terrifying? Off the top of my head, Treasure Planet had to have been the last movie that had terrifying stuff in it, and it was awesome (but oops, it bombed).
 
Children should watch stuff that's a bit scary. I'm not talking about R rated horror or anything, but spooky themes or atmosphere heavy shows like Are You Afraid of the dark help build character as well as resistance to anxiety.
I think a lot of kids gravitate to dark stuff. They have really dark senses of humor - I did when I was a kid.
 
It'd be super interesting to do a study on adults who have constant "anxiety attacks" and ask what childhood films they grew up with, and what they weren't allowed to watch. Given a lot of them are into kiddie shows and into the creepy fetish shit that plagues DeviantArt, there could be a correlation of not being allowed to watch "scary movies" on top of how a lot of kids' movies these days that just feel too safe and yet have an unsettling adult following.

Like legit: What was the last Disney film (animated or live-action) that was actually terrifying? Off the top of my head, Treasure Planet had to have been the last movie that had terrifying stuff in it, and it was awesome (but oops, it bombed).
> Meet The Robinsons (2007) had a whole scene of the world destroyed and humans enslaved by machines, I would consider that dark.
> Epic Mickey (2010), I mean, just look at it…
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> Toy Story 3 (2010) - That monkey was scary as shit!
> Tim Burton’s films - Frankenweenie (2012), Alice in Wonderland (2010)
> Pirates of The Caribbean - The third had the hanging of a child as the opener
 
> Epic Mickey (2010), I mean, just look at it…
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Epic Mickey is fucking amazing and I love its themes, but it's a video game. It's kinda niche even for Disney fans.

But it definitely had to have been one of the last that was able to go balls-to-the-wall like that. Stopped seeing stuff like that when we entered the 2010s.

Alice in Wonderland (2010)
It was Gothic and all, but I dunno, it still felt like it played things a bit too safe to keep that PG rating. All that eye-gouging was gross, but weirdly bloodless.
 
Epic Mickey is fucking amazing and I love its themes, but it's a video game. It's kinda niche even for Disney fans.

But it definitely had to have been one of the last that was able to go balls-to-the-wall like that. Stopped seeing stuff like that when we entered the 2010s.
The 2010s started out with a very experimental Disney, but like halfway through they got super corporate. I think the million acquisitions really changed them as they felt they could comfortably rely on Marvel and Star Wars.
 
The first was scary, intense, sad, but it was also exciting and delivered on a happy ending to make the journey worth it.
This is exactly why I loved the original, and exactly why I hated the sequels. The "scary" bits never actually felt scary, even when I was five and the second one just came out. The original Sharptooth had an actual kill count, and made actual efforts to eat the protagonists. Who in turn made a dangerous plan to kill Sharptooth by dropping a boulder on him and drowning him. The sequels, from what little I remember, generally had goofy primary antagonists that sang silly songs and may or may not make attempts to even eat the main characters, and then maybe a sharptooth would make a cameo appearance near the end to make a half-assed attempt to eat someone before running away. Yawn, and yet my best friend loved them. I don't know if her parents just didn't challenge her at the right age or if she didn't like to be challenged, or what.
 
Children should watch stuff that's a bit scary. I'm not talking about R rated horror or anything, but spooky themes or atmosphere heavy shows like Are You Afraid of the dark help build character as well as resistance to anxiety.
iirc isn't there something about Snow White having been a big influence on the expressionist style of Italian horror because it was the only thing for a while around WWII?
 
It was Gothic and all, but I dunno, it still felt like it played things a bit too safe to keep that PG rating. All that eye-gouging was gross, but weirdly bloodless.
It sucked ass. If Burton had made it twenty years earlier, it would have been good...

iirc isn't there something about Snow White having been a big influence on the expressionist style of Italian horror because it was the only thing for a while around WWII?
Dario Argento said it was a big inspiration for Suspiria.
 
@Kari Kamiya
I feel stupid for forgetting this one to add to the modern Disney scary/uncomfortable category.

Anyone remember 2014’s Into The Woods? You know, that film where Johnny Depp plays a clear as day pedo.
 
The only Disney-related thing that's caught my eye in nearly a decade is Twisted Wonderland and that's just because I like little distracting phone games.
 
My parents have Disney+ and I ended up watching a movie called The Treasure of Matecumbe with my dad the other day.
I pretty much never watch Disney stuff, but it was actually.......inoffensive. A kind of B-tier Treasure Island. Of course it was slapped with a giant warning about "cultural attitudes" etc. but those made it all the more watchable.
 
My parents have Disney+ and I ended up watching a movie called The Treasure of Matecumbe with my dad the other day.
I pretty much never watch Disney stuff, but it was actually.......inoffensive. A kind of B-tier Treasure Island. Of course it was slapped with a giant warning about "cultural attitudes" etc. but those made it all the more watchable.
Speaking of Disney+ and their 70s and 80s movies.....why the hell isn't The Watcher in the Woods on there?! Or Something Wicked This Way Comes?! Both legitimately good "family" horror films (ahhhh, remember when that genre was a thing?). Such a shame, they need more love.
 
@Kari Kamiya
I feel stupid for forgetting this one to add to the modern Disney scary/uncomfortable category.

Anyone remember 2014’s Into The Woods? You know, that film where Johnny Depp plays a clear as day pedo.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6AFYjny91Sk
That was a terrible movie. They got rid of all the songs and 90% of the second half of the stage musical that made it funny.

Edit: tbf, the wolf in the stage version is just as if not more creepy.
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