Disney General - The saddest fandom on Earth

[Vyse Inglebard]

oh good gods I already know I’ll have to buy this for my mom. She’s been nuts about Nightmare Before Christmas like a mall goth in 2004 since it was in theaters so if I get this for her I’ll secure my place as favorite child LMAO

Speaking of, I live in Florida and she bought me an annual pass so we go to Disney World a couple times a month if she can get reservations for us. It’s all overpriced and sanitized bullshit that stopped being fun for me at like 12 and as an adult is irritating and annoying. I’m so fucking sick of the movies, the parks, and the overpriced tat.

Sounds like your mom is one of those fabled "Disney adults".

 

[XYZpdq]

oh good gods I already know I’ll have to buy this for my mom. She’s been nuts about Nightmare Before Christmas like a mall goth in 2004 since it was in theaters so if I get this for her I’ll secure my place as favorite child LMAO

Speaking of, I live in Florida and she bought me an annual pass so we go to Disney World a couple times a month if she can get reservations for us. It’s all overpriced and sanitized bullshit that stopped being fun for me at like 12 and as an adult is irritating and annoying. I’m so fucking sick of the movies, the parks, and the overpriced tat.

I can't fathom having an AP being any fun in the era of RESERVATIONS EVERYWHERE.
There was a stretch I lived maybe a half hour from the WDW, worked a fuckton of hours on the weekend and was mostly open during the week so I had the hellacheap Mon-Fri Only AP, and having the ability to go "hey, I don't got shit to do, I think I'll lie and say I'm eating at the hotel, park free, then go dick around at Disney World all day" was really amazingly great.
Having to make reservations sounds like the worst shit ever.

 

[Esmeraude]

Sounds like your mom is one of those fabled "Disney adults".
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Yes she is, and it’s only gotten worse over the years there’s no milk to be had from her, but our friend’s cousin has scratcher Disney tattoos all over her arms and spent $8000 on loungefly everything and merch in the last couple years so she lives with her sister and their aunt lmao

I can't fathom having an AP being any fun in the era of RESERVATIONS EVERYWHERE.
There was a stretch I lived maybe a half hour from the WDW, worked a fuckton of hours on the weekend and was mostly open during the week so I had the hellacheap Mon-Fri Only AP, and having the ability to go "hey, I don't got shit to do, I think I'll lie and say I'm eating at the hotel, park free, then go dick around at Disney World all day" was really amazingly great.
Having to make reservations sounds like the worst shit ever.

Yeah it’s annoying as fuck and during the Halloween shit you’d get kicked out right at 8 so THOUSANDS of people would be front funneled out at once. I found that out the hard way when monorail was four hours, ferry was like 2 and the bus was an hour and a half. The wait and the crowd was fucking insane.
On the other hand, it does allow me to plan ahead, which is nice if I saw something I actually wanted from the parks which is very rare these days but happens on occasion.

 

[4ZURE]

But when Sally and Zero accidentally uncover a long-hidden doorway to an ancient realm called Dream Town in the forest Hinterlands

After rereading, this caught my attention. What the fuck is Dream Town?

Wasn’t the whole point of the films that the worlds were just holidays. How do dreams factor into this? This gives me some bad feelings that we will stumble upon how holidays are human constructs, religion fake, writing.

Would not be surprised if Sally stumbles upon the ideas for holidays in Dream World, and the realization that they are not “real” is what causes the chain of events that threaten her and Halloween Town, with the ending message being about the purpose of these holidays in bringing humans joy or something.

 

[jorgoth]

So this take is very Defunctland, but here goes.

I think Disney has developed in more or less precisely the opposite the direction in which Walt wanted. Towards the end of his life, he was clearly not very invested in animation/Disney branding and really wanted to be remembered as a great industrialist and unifier, like Henry Ford but with information. This is clear for the following reasons:

1. Disneyland, basically the last big project that Walt completed before his death, doesn't have that much Disney branding. Jungle Cruise, It's a Small World, Haunted Mansion, Tomorrowland as a whole, basically everything outside of 2-3 rides in the Castle itself.
2. EPCOT wasn't supposed to be an amusement park, but rather a model city with multiple layers, with residential and business on top and all the car infrastructure on the bottom. Basically it was designed to be Midgard from Final Fantasy VII, but real.
3. Walt Disney supposedly made remarks in private to the effect that he didn't want to be remembered as a cartoonist, like "Imagine being remembered for inventing a cartoon mouse!"

All this taken together makes it seem like Walt Disney corporation basically exhausted the creative possibilities of the mediums it's known for today, cartoons and amusement parks, way back in the 1950's and 1960's, and wanted to move on to the next step, city building and molding society as a whole. Kind of makes you wonder what would have happened if Walt lived another 15 years and managed to build his pie in the sky.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

So this take is very Defunctland, but here goes.

I think Disney has developed in more or less precisely the opposite the direction in which Walt wanted. Towards the end of his life, he was clearly not very invested in animation/Disney branding and really wanted to be remembered as a great industrialist and unifier, like Henry Ford but with information. This is clear for the following reasons:

1. Disneyland, basically the last big project that Walt completed before his death, doesn't have that much Disney branding. Jungle Cruise, It's a Small World, Haunted Mansion, Tomorrowland as a whole, basically everything outside of 2-3 rides in the Castle itself.
2. EPCOT wasn't supposed to be an amusement park, but rather a model city with multiple layers, with residential and business on top and all the car infrastructure on the bottom. Basically it was designed to be Midgard from Final Fantasy VII, but real.
3. Walt Disney supposedly made remarks in private to the effect that he didn't want to be remembered as a cartoonist, like "Imagine being remembered for inventing a cartoon mouse!"

All this taken together makes it seem like Walt Disney corporation basically exhausted the creative possibilities of the mediums it's known for today, cartoons and amusement parks, way back in the 1950's and 1960's, and wanted to move on to the next step, city building and molding society as a whole. Kind of makes you wonder what would have happened if Walt lived another 15 years and managed to build his pie in the sky.

It would have ended like Bioshock, wouldn't it?

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

So this take is very Defunctland, but here goes.

I think Disney has developed in more or less precisely the opposite the direction in which Walt wanted. Towards the end of his life, he was clearly not very invested in animation/Disney branding and really wanted to be remembered as a great industrialist and unifier, like Henry Ford but with information. This is clear for the following reasons:

1. Disneyland, basically the last big project that Walt completed before his death, doesn't have that much Disney branding. Jungle Cruise, It's a Small World, Haunted Mansion, Tomorrowland as a whole, basically everything outside of 2-3 rides in the Castle itself.
2. EPCOT wasn't supposed to be an amusement park, but rather a model city with multiple layers, with residential and business on top and all the car infrastructure on the bottom. Basically it was designed to be Midgard from Final Fantasy VII, but real.
3. Walt Disney supposedly made remarks in private to the effect that he didn't want to be remembered as a cartoonist, like "Imagine being remembered for inventing a cartoon mouse!"

All this taken together makes it seem like Walt Disney corporation basically exhausted the creative possibilities of the mediums it's known for today, cartoons and amusement parks, way back in the 1950's and 1960's, and wanted to move on to the next step, city building and molding society as a whole. Kind of makes you wonder what would have happened if Walt lived another 15 years and managed to build his pie in the sky.

Probably not a lot besides wasting a lot of money and getting stuck forever in development. Rich people's vanity projects rarely work and building a city would probably have the other executives stuffing the guy in the closet.

 

[XYZpdq]

Yeah from what I've heard of Walt's ideas EPCOT would have been You'll Own Nothing a few decades ahead of schedule

 

[eternal dog mongler]

All this taken together makes it seem like Walt Disney corporation basically exhausted the creative possibilities of the mediums it's known for today, cartoons and amusement parks, way back in the 1950's and 1960's, and wanted to move on to the next step, city building and molding society as a whole. Kind of makes you wonder what would have happened if Walt lived another 15 years and managed to build his pie in the sky.

Well they did make Celebration, which is a planned Stepford community.

Walt's problem was that he wanted underground parking for EPCOT and engineers were like wtf and I'm pretty sure they wrested the project away from him. Did he really not notice how houses in FL rarely have basements?

 

[XYZpdq]

Well they did make Celebration, which is a planned Stepford community.

Walt's problem was that he wanted underground parking for EPCOT and engineers were like wtf and I'm pretty sure they wrested the project away from him. Did he really not notice how houses in FL rarely have basements?

iirc there were a lot of blue sky ideas for EPCOT before anybody picked Florida
Like I'm pretty sure the giant model had very clear suburbs and roads in and out from the main building
As for Celebration, it's basically a cheap Eisner style knockoff of The Villages without the constant old people sex

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

iirc there were a lot of blue sky ideas for EPCOT before anybody picked Florida
Like I'm pretty sure the giant model had very clear suburbs and roads in and out from the main building
As for Celebration, it's basically a cheap Eisner style knockoff of The Villages without the constant old people sex

I used to think it was something like a real-life Stepford, but... well, I still want to think that's what it is.

 

[jorgoth]

The one thing I really wish did survive the failure of the E.P.C.O.T. project is AVAC, basically a pneumatic tube system for getting your trash straight from your house to the dump. Even if they didn't build out from the house to the dump, defeating the need for garbage trucks, I still hate having trash just sit there inside stinking up the place and having to manually take stuff out. It just feels kind of anachronistic having to do this in the 21st century.

 

[jje100010001]

The one thing I really wish did survive the failure of the E.P.C.O.T. project is AVAC, basically a pneumatic tube system for getting your trash straight from your house to the dump. Even if they didn't build out from the house to the dump, defeating the need for garbage trucks, I still hate having trash just sit there inside stinking up the place and having to manually take stuff out. It just feels kind of anachronistic having to do this in the 21st century.

TBH, it exists in some parts of the world.

Automated vacuum collection - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Though it probably would be a better fit for dense, middle-upper class, new-built neighborhoods, rather than American suburbs (too spread out and costly to run), or American inner cities (too much old infrastructure buried underneath, and too many potential Daquans shoving burning trash in the tubes for fun).

As such, a system like that could only exist in a perfectly and neurotically-controlled setting like at Disney and EPCOT. I also think it would still not be integrated into individual housing units, as too much built-in infrastructure makes buildings harder to adapt as technology evolves, and their location inside houses would make them a nightmare to clean.

 

[Standardized Profile]

To be fair, we manage to collect sewage directly from our homes and transport it to a processing facility. Trash isn't that much different. But lots of buildings that used to have trash chutes have sealed them because residents were abusing them somehow, so I guess it's different enough.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

So this take is very Defunctland, but here goes.

I think Disney has developed in more or less precisely the opposite the direction in which Walt wanted. Towards the end of his life, he was clearly not very invested in animation/Disney branding and really wanted to be remembered as a great industrialist and unifier, like Henry Ford but with information. This is clear for the following reasons:

1. Disneyland, basically the last big project that Walt completed before his death, doesn't have that much Disney branding. Jungle Cruise, It's a Small World, Haunted Mansion, Tomorrowland as a whole, basically everything outside of 2-3 rides in the Castle itself.
2. EPCOT wasn't supposed to be an amusement park, but rather a model city with multiple layers, with residential and business on top and all the car infrastructure on the bottom. Basically it was designed to be Midgard from Final Fantasy VII, but real.
3. Walt Disney supposedly made remarks in private to the effect that he didn't want to be remembered as a cartoonist, like "Imagine being remembered for inventing a cartoon mouse!"

All this taken together makes it seem like Walt Disney corporation basically exhausted the creative possibilities of the mediums it's known for today, cartoons and amusement parks, way back in the 1950's and 1960's, and wanted to move on to the next step, city building and molding society as a whole. Kind of makes you wonder what would have happened if Walt lived another 15 years and managed to build his pie in the sky.

Epcot 1.0 kind of makes me glad those plans never materialized. That just sounds like a living nightmare.

Not that modern Disney isn't a living nightmare as it currently stands, but you get the idea.

 

[XYZpdq]

To be fair, we manage to collect sewage directly from our homes and transport it to a processing facility. Trash isn't that much different. But lots of buildings that used to have trash chutes have sealed them because residents were abusing them somehow, so I guess it's different enough.

or they're just demons in the basement like that Tales From The Darkside

Epcot 1.0 kind of makes me glad those plans never materialized. That just sounds like a living nightmare.

Not that modern Disney isn't a living nightmare as it currently stands, but you get the idea.

iirc one of the early Venture Bros is a massive joke about the living hell of Walt's EPCOT

 

[jje100010001]

Epcot 1.0 kind of makes me glad those plans never materialized. That just sounds like a living nightmare.

Not that modern Disney isn't a living nightmare as it currently stands, but you get the idea.

I think it would still be interesting if it existed, much like Celebration exists unintentionally as a rebuttal to EPCOT's blank canvas modernism (indulging instead in twee sentimental New Urbanism).

I actually think that EPCOT is slightly overhyped for what it is, the actual core of the city isn't that large (tower in middle is only around 30 storeys tall) and probably comparable to a large mall nowadays:

 

[Kari Kamiya]

This came out today, and it smells like an art classroom flipping through it (like pastel paint chips) but it's an actual art history book overseen by the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Looks super intriguing, I'm glad I pre-ordered it out of impulse.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

This is to tie in with an exhibition there, incidentally, in honor of Beauty and the Beast's 30th.

 

[Trilby]

This is to tie in with an exhibition there, incidentally, in honor of Beauty and the Beast's 30th.

Amazing it was that long ago.