Disney General - The saddest fandom on Earth

[HarryHowler]

The 2010s was a shit decade as soon as it got started in earnest in 2011, things got worse and worse, which makes the early part seem comparatively not so bad, but despite the rare bright spots it was never not an overall lame time for pop culture, politics and society.

I just wonder why things declined so steeply after 2010, we seemed to be going in a good direction in 2010, there was so much wasted potential for the 2010s it's mind boggling.

Partly a very long hangover from the 2008 financial crash, and partly because liberals took the election of Obama as a signal to start pushing all the insane SocJus crap that had been bubbling under since the 90s, which they were able to get away with because Bush's second term had turned into such a complete shitshow that the U.S. conservative movement was pretty much dead (or at least too busy with feuding between RINO and Tea Party types) until the Alt-Right emerged circa 2014.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

and especially since they really seemed like they wanted to bring it back with Princess and The Frog, but Winnie The Pooh flopped, so...

My friend and I personally believe Disney sabotaged those two movies to have an excuse to retire 2D animation so they could go 3D permanently. Princess and the Frog was probably a coincidence because I don't think Disney expected Avatar to have done so well (even though you'd think they would've known because it's James Cameron), but the Alvin and the Chipmunks sequel I'm sure sucked away the rest of the potential audience.

Winnie the Pooh flopped because it opened the same weekend as Harry Potter. Why would anyone pit their movies up against that juggernaut?

The failure of those two movies to really turn a profit made them switch Frozen over to 3D. They still haven't released anything 2D of that movie despite Lasseter's claim what was animated was the most beautiful animation he had ever seen.

EDIT: Brain fart putting "and" in Winnie the Pooh.

 

[Fat Tub of Lard]

My friend and I personally believe Disney sabotaged those two movies to have an excuse to retire 2D animation so they could go 3D permanently. Princess and the Frog was probably a coincidence because I don't think Disney expected Avatar to have done so well (even though you'd think they would've known because it's James Cameron), but the Alvin and the Chipmunks sequel I'm sure sucked away the rest of the potential audience.

Winnie and the Pooh flopped because it opened the same weekend as Harry Potter. Why would anyone pit their movies up against that juggernaut?

The failure of those two movies to really turn a profit made them switch Frozen over to 3D. They still haven't released anything 2D of that movie despite Lasseter's claim what was animated was the most beautiful animation he had ever seen.

Agreed. Disney went full re-tard when they decided to pit the silly old bear against the end of one of the biggest multimedia sagas of all time (at least, what was supposed to be the end before JK Rowling decided that she wanted more money), assuming they weren't deliberately sending him out to die. Makes me wonder if they foresaw the Chinese government getting butthurt by certain comparisons...

Since sacrificing Pooh to the house of Gryffindor, the only 2D things they've done since then have been smaller projects, like that series of Goofy shorts that just got released on Disney+.

 

[Dom Cruise]

My friend and I personally believe Disney sabotaged those two movies to have an excuse to retire 2D animation so they could go 3D permanently. Princess and the Frog was probably a coincidence because I don't think Disney expected Avatar to have done so well (even though you'd think they would've known because it's James Cameron), but the Alvin and the Chipmunks sequel I'm sure sucked away the rest of the potential audience.

Winnie the Pooh flopped because it opened the same weekend as Harry Potter. Why would anyone pit their movies up against that juggernaut?

The failure of those two movies to really turn a profit made them switch Frozen over to 3D. They still haven't released anything 2D of that movie despite Lasseter's claim what was animated was the most beautiful animation he had ever seen.

EDIT: Brain fart putting "and" in Winnie the Pooh.

It's really shitty, you don't just retire a decades long tradition that is the reason your company is what it is to begin with after just a few flops, it's entirely possible had they stuck with it Frozen could have saved 2D animated films at Disney.

You're probably right though that they just didn't want to be bothered and sabotaged them on purpose, it's a shame because Princess and The Frog obviously had a lot of potential as well if they had scheduled it's release better.

It's just crazy to think that less than 20 years after The Lion King 2D Disney movies were dead, I wonder if the DTV sequels had something to do with that? Maybe it made kids associate 2D movies as something lesser than the 3D ones since the 3D films didn't get the DTV sequels? Was definitely not wise of Disney to dilute the brand like that.

 

[Trilby]

It's really shitty, you don't just retire a decades long tradition that is the reason your company is what it is to begin with after just a few flops, it's entirely possible had they stuck with it Frozen could have saved 2D animated films at Disney.

You're probably right though that they just didn't want to be bothered and sabotaged them on purpose, it's a shame because Princess and The Frog obviously had a lot of potential as well if they had scheduled it's release better.

It's just crazy to think that less than 20 years after The Lion King 2D Disney movies were dead, I wonder if the DTV sequels had something to do with that? Maybe it made kids associate 2D movies as something lesser than the 3D ones since the 3D films didn't get the DTV sequels? Was definitely not wise of Disney to dilute the brand like that.

Yep, such a shame. At this point I suppose it's irreversible.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Yep, such a shame. At this point I suppose it's irreversible.

It's depressing to imagine someone's reaction if you went back in time to the 90s Disney renaissance heyday and told them that in less than 20 years 2D Disney movies would be dead.

I feel like if they survived the awkward years of the 70s and 80s they could have survived the 2000s and 2010s, to me 3D animation should not be a replacement for 2D, it's just two different ways of doing things, both equally valid, it'd be like saying Claymation is a "replacement" for 2D animation.

 

[MysticMisty]

Why would anyone pit their movies up against that juggernaut?

Theoretically, to give parents with kids 3 and under an age appropriate option, as well as the type of Christian parents that don't believe in exposing their kids to fantasy magic.

But hell, this is the same studio that pitted The Rescuers Down Under against motherfucking Home Alone, so there's a precedent for that sort of idiocy.

 

[vern]

Winnie the Pooh in 2011

Oh shit I forgot they made that. I don't think I ever watched it before, maybe I should soon if nothing else too see disney's last hand drawn film

It's depressing to imagine someone's reaction if you went back in time to the 90s Disney renaissance heyday and told them that in less than 20 years 2D Disney movies would be dead.

I feel like if they survived the awkward years of the 70s and 80s they could have survived the 2000s and 2010s, to me 3D animation should not be a replacement for 2D, it's just two different ways of doing things, both equally valid, it'd be like saying Claymation is a "replacement" for 2D animation.

Like I said I'm glad its dead because imagine instead of souless live action remakes of their films we got calarts remakes/redesigns instead.


Doomposting aside I think there are a few people at disney who still know how to draw. I'll bring up paperman again since apparently one the main ideas behind its style came from John Kahrs not wanting to completely waste all the drawings and storyboards they used during pre production

But sadly I don't think Disney ever experimented with blending 2D and 3D again (at least in their main films, not sure about their shorts). Although I do remember hearing about a netflix movie called Klaus that tried doing something similar where the animation was hand drawn but the coloring and or lighting was done in CG (haven't watched it so no comment if its any good story or animation wise).

 

[eternal dog mongler]

It's really shitty, you don't just retire a decades long tradition that is the reason your company is what it is to begin with after just a few flops, it's entirely possible had they stuck with it Frozen could have saved 2D animated films at Disney.

They're outsourcing 2D to Japan now.

See: the Star Wars anime, which has a bunny girl jedi in it

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

They're outsourcing 2D to Japan now.

See: the Star Wars anime, which has a bunny girl jedi in it

A d it was still the best Star Wars thing to come out in forever.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Oh shit I forgot they made that. I don't think I ever watched it before, maybe I should soon if nothing else too see disney's last hand drawn film

They did a piss poor job marketing it, I had no idea the movie was a thing until I saw a marquee for when at a movie theater for something else and I was like "wait, Winnie The Pooh? What is that?"

Crazy to think of Disney's decades and decades long tradition of 2D animated films ending with something that came and went with not many people noticing it.

Like I said I'm glad its dead because imagine instead of souless live action remakes of their films we got calarts remakes/redesigns instead.

How shitty is it though that we live in a cultural climate where we're glad things are dead so they can't be ruined?

Doomposting aside I think there are a few people at disney who still know how to draw. I'll bring up paperman again since apparently one the main ideas behind its style came from John Kahrs not wanting to completely waste all the drawings and storyboards they used during pre production
https://youtube.com/watch?v=TZJLtujW6FY
But sadly I don't think Disney ever experimented with blending 2D and 3D again (at least in their main films, not sure about their shorts). Although I do remember hearing about a netflix movie called Klaus that tried doing something similar where the animation was hand drawn but the coloring and or lighting was done in CG (haven't watched it so no comment if its any good story or animation wise).

I had hoped paperman would lead to a movie in that style, but nope.

They're outsourcing 2D to Japan now.

See: the Star Wars anime, which has a bunny girl jedi in it

Whoa.

 

[MysticMisty]

They're outsourcing 2D to Japan now.

See: the Star Wars anime, which has a bunny girl jedi in it

I thought that was basically just Star Wars meets the Animatrix and is just a one time thing. Most of their actual remaining 2D output is (or was) just your standard Asian outsourcing like it has been for ages.

But I have to give the Japanese studios credit for their restraint in using a bunny girl and not a catgirl.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Random Halloween Disney cartoon post:

 

[XYZpdq]

Random Halloween Disney cartoon post:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=lnvygJHFX8k

how come the ghost nephew doesn't have pupils until the end

 

[A Grey Cat]

how come the ghost nephew doesn't have pupils until the end

Generally when someone has a bedsheet ghost costume on in western animation, the eyes are two blank holes. I guess they accidently drew the pupils on the last frame forgetting that detail. Last second things like that happened a lot back when it was all hand drawn like that.

 

[Product Placement]

I get the logic of opening Winnie the Pooh against Harry Potter, alternative programming has worked in the past but they opened it on the same day rather than a week before or after and they underestimate how many screens Harry Potter would take up.

A good example of it would be the Jumanji movies put out around Star Wars movies, and it seems because the last two Star Wars movies were disappointing that the Jumanji movies also got their repeat viewings

Another case of competing same day movies was Land Before Time and Oliver and Company, shockingly both made money. And the year after All Dogs Go to Heaven and Little Mermaid same day again but this time Little Mermaid destroyed All Dogs Go to Heaven

 

[The Lawgiver]

lightyear's artstyle looks like an unholy fusion of gears of war and a chinese bootleg fortnite. I say chinese bootleg fortnite instead of just fortnite because of the fact fortnite has a similar deal with it's aesthetic approach to tf2 where characters are all angular and stylized and colorful and shit, as opposed to this sad, strange, round little man. Looking at the new "real" design for buzz it's like all greebling instead of function and he somehow looks almost more toy-ish than toy buzz. Big ass head, scrawny little arms , inexplicably the suit's implied grey cloth bits are still ball joints. He has no laser because GUNS BAD or something probably, the space ranger logo's been tampered with to the point it looks like just a weird bird instead of a spacefaring military special ops organization logo. jetpack booster activation chest button replaced with a weird hatch/vent thing, black woman secondary lead because disney wants to seem diverse.

I mean, it could always still turn out good, but there's no way it'll probably turn out as good of a "real buzz lightyear" thing as the tv show that did it first. Speaking of that thing it had a really weird fucking artstyle looking back at it. Not quite standard disney fare.

I still can't get over the fact they snubbed Tim Allen from starring a fucking toy story spinoff movie focused on the character he plays.

 

[cactus]

Oh shit I forgot they made that. I don't think I ever watched it before, maybe I should soon if nothing else too see disney's last hand drawn film


Like I said I'm glad its dead because imagine instead of souless live action remakes of their films we got calarts remakes/redesigns instead.


Doomposting aside I think there are a few people at disney who still know how to draw. I'll bring up paperman again since apparently one the main ideas behind its style came from John Kahrs not wanting to completely waste all the drawings and storyboards they used during pre production
https://youtube.com/watch?v=TZJLtujW6FY
But sadly I don't think Disney ever experimented with blending 2D and 3D again (at least in their main films, not sure about their shorts). Although I do remember hearing about a netflix movie called Klaus that tried doing something similar where the animation was hand drawn but the coloring and or lighting was done in CG (haven't watched it so no comment if its any good story or animation wise).

Klaus is basically a Santa origin story, but it does hold up story wise. The main character is kinda Kuzco-ish in the beginning and does sound a bit like David Spade, but he grows out of that fast. As an adult, I did enjoy it in the end and it's a hard recommend from me.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

Klaus is basically a Santa origin story, but it does hold up story wise. The main character is kinda Kuzco-ish in the beginning and does sound a bit like David Spade, but he grows out of that fast. As an adult, I did enjoy it in the end and it's a hard recommend from me.

Klaus was a really solid and fun movie.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Another Halloween Cartoon, this one from the golden age Silly symphonies era.

Can you believe in some states this cartoon was banned because the bible thumpers found it "obscene" and thought it "promoted Satanism?"