Disco Elysium - Insane Drunken Cop Simulator RPG GotY 2019

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Nick Wilde said:
So... What real life fascist theory should it be drawing on? Genuine question, if you know some books I don't know of, name them.

Part of the problem here is that communism has concrete foundational texts, and it has a continued legacy into the modern day. Fascism doesn't have so much of that. You have Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, and maybe Mosely, but those guys were all quite different from each other, politically. There was no bible of fascism for them to base their ideology on, and of them, neither Franco or Hitler even identified themselves as fascist. There are no modern day fascist parties, there's no fascist movement, it's more of a historical description of a certain type of mid-20th century authoritatianism than a coherent ideology. Most of the "theory" about fascism is post-hoc analysis of regimes that are already extinct.

Honestly I think they did their best with the source material here, the issue is that fascism actually just isn't that deep or well defined as an ideology (that's also why it's annoying, and hard to effectively refute, when people describe anythign they don't like as fascist).
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Fascism has been "right wing strawman" for decades now. The actual movements in practice are just slightly different versions of socialism where you pick and choose who gets to gain country resources, at least until it falls into the same dictatorial hellhole they all became, where resources were limited to everyone and new rules were made every day to prop up the failing regime.

The only real right wing political party (that isn't the meme Monarchism) is free market/small government that goes contrary to socialism. But games don't like to admit them despite being the only successful governments in the 20th century.
 
Gay Sex Enjoyer said:
99% of my issue essentially comes from them just calling it fascist when it simply isn't,
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To be fair, I kinda think thats also the point.

They're doing it to annoy conservatives and the far-right. Even in-game when you go that route you constantly insist you not a fascist or an heir to fascism.
Its a bit dated and DE being a product of its time. Back then people with extreme right opinions and even people who idolized Hitler/Mussolin would insist they were not fascists or far-right. Nowadays a far-right person will just say they are far-right without much shame.

wtfNeedSignUp said:
The actual movements in practice
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I don't think the "fascists" in DE are supposed to represent anything close to skinheads.
 
Slap47 said:
I don't think the "fascists" in DE are supposed to represent anything close to skinheads.
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And skinheads/neo-nazis don't really have an ideology. They just repeat their perceived notion of Nazism while filtering anything they don't like from it.

For example, race theory becomes hating jews/non-whites, ignoring the fact that Hitler, rightfully so, considered Americans mutts due to generations of cross breeding with the natives and black population.
Social policies are either ignored or replaced with American style individualism.
 
Josh managed to beat up Measurehead without going into the Advanced Race Theory

He just skipped the funniest shit in the whole game
 
Lt. H. DuBois said:
Im just now learning there was supposed to be a Cuno and Cunoesse game called Locust City
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Looked really good too but i think knowing it existed and seeing the little footage made is worse than not knowing.
Slap47 said:
They're doing it to annoy conservatives and the far-right. Even in-game when you go that route you constantly insist you not a fascist or an heir to fascism.
Its a bit dated and DE being a product of its time. Back then people with extreme right opinions and even people who idolized Hitler/Mussolin would insist they were not fascists or far-right. Nowadays a far-right person will just say they are far-right without much shame.
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Truly a leftist game, they even included infighting
 
Gay Sex Enjoyer said:
This could've all been solved if there was a Revocholian philosopher with a big ass mustache and a hard to spell last name smh my head.
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Nietzsche wasn't a fascist, or even a nationalist for that matter.

Gay Sex Enjoyer said:
I think 99% of my issue essentially comes from them just calling it fascist when it simply isn't, and especially considering there isn't any form of fasces in this setting to begin with so even the word itself is nonsensical.
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Terry Pratchett on worldbuilding:
“the fact is that any fantasy world is, sooner or later, our own world. ... However towering the local mountains, however dwarf-haunted the local woods, any character wanting to eat a piece of zorkle meat between two slices of bread probably has no other word for it than ‘sandwich’.
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As I mentioned before, the "fascists" in this game aren't modeled after the OG 1930s fascists, they're /pol/tards.
 
Gay Sex Enjoyer said:
What if they were named the Retardists instead? Slowing social progressivism seems to be what they care about the most.

Revacholian Retardism :crocodile:
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I think that's what I'll title my manifesto. Esoteric Retardarianism.

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wtfNeedSignUp said:
And skinheads/neo-nazis don't really have an ideology. They just repeat their perceived notion of Nazism while filtering anything they don't like from it.

For example, race theory becomes hating jews/non-whites, ignoring the fact that Hitler, rightfully so, considered Americans mutts due to generations of cross breeding with the natives and black population.
Social policies are either ignored or replaced with American style individualism.
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I mean skinheads are really just like the satanists in the 70's. Contrarians who realized that the greatest act of rebellion in the western world is to dawn a swastika rather than a pentagram. For the most part its a aimless movement that regurgitates half understood quotes from the turner diaries/camp of the saints (no, they never read it either) or made up quotes like the "my spirit shall rise from the grave and the world will know I am right." .
 
Nick Obre said:
Josh managed to beat up Measurehead without going into the Advanced Race Theory

He just skipped the funniest shit in the whole game
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It hurts to see Josh play this game. Why does he refuse to talk to people? Why won't he click the floating orbs that are obviously there to be clicked? 50 minutes in and he finally found the skill point sheet. Fucking hell. Edit: Ok stream two, maybe it'll be a bit better today. You can do it buddy.
 
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ChiribiscoToo said:
Josh played disco elysium?!
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Josh is playing Disco Elysium as I post this

The Skeksis Emperor said:
It hurts to see Josh play this game. Why does he refuse to talk to people? Why won't he click the floating orbs that are obviously there to be clicked? 50 minutes in and he finally found the skill point sheet. Fucking hell. Edit: Ok stream two, maybe it'll be a bit better today. You can do it buddy.
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At times it feels like he's refusing to engage with the game in some regards, but he's coming around today. Sure, there's things in it that are frustrating, but he's becoming a Volition-Chad, and that's worth everything.
 
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