Law DeVos wants to change campus rules on sexual misconduct

https://www.apnews.com/e49acff34a2649338a9f10345b6ed6b9

Education Secretary Betsy DeVos has proposed a major overhaul to the way colleges and universities handle sexual misconduct complaints, adding protections for students accused of assault and harassment and narrowing which cases schools would be required to investigate.

Her plan would scale back important Obama administration rules while adding mandates that could reshape the school disciplinary systems that schools have developed over the past decade.

Under the new plan proposed Friday, colleges would have to investigate complaints only if the alleged incident occurred on campus or in other areas overseen by the school, and only if it was reported to certain officials. By contrast, current rules require colleges to review all student complaints, regardless of their location or how they came to the school’s attention.

It adds several provisions supported by groups that represent students accused of sexual misconduct. Chief among them, it says accused students must be able to cross-examine their accusers, although it would be done through a representative to avoid personal confrontations.

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Among other changes, the proposal narrows what constitutes sexual harassment. While earlier guidance defined it as “unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature,” the new proposal defines it as unwelcome sexual conduct that’s so severe it effectively denies the victim access to the school or its programs.

It allows schools to use a higher standard of proof when weighing cases. The Obama guidance told schools to use a “preponderance of the evidence” standard, meaning the allegation is “more likely than not” true. The new proposal would allow a “clear and convincing” standard, meaning the claim is highly probable.

Even if victims don’t file a formal complaint, the proposal encourages schools to offer a range of measures to help them continue their studies, including counseling, class schedule changes, dorm room reassignments and no-contact orders for those accused of harming them.

 

[Guts Gets Some]

Did I wake up in the wrong dimension today?

Actual progress? I must've misread that.

 

[thx1138]

Universities, at metaphorical gunpoint, have been holding what amount to criminal prosecution against almost entirely male students, typically based on the flimsiest of cases. They deny the accused any form of due process, and abandon the principals of rule of law in general. I realize campuses need a "police force" but tbh they should be there to write parking tickets and noise violation citations. Anything more serious they should call in the actual police. If a rape occurs on campus, once the victim identifies the accuser then an actual police investigation should be opened and nothing else. If they determine that it happened, then the faculty should react. This title nine bullshit needs to go. It has effectively created a two tiered and unfair "justice" system.

 

[wylfım]

My faith in humanity is slightly restored, though most likely they SJWs will just break down """crying""" and start reeeeing about how the """sexual misconduct""" has so traumatically affected them and how they are literally shaking and can't handle cross-examination.

 

[trigon]

Reminder that anyone who says that sexual assault is rampant on campus is referring to a bullshit study stating that 1 in 5 women become victims of sexual assault on college campuses, which would make the sexual assault rate at campuses higher than in countries that are currently war zones.

 

[IV 445]

can someone explain to me why universities are involved in criminal prosecution and investigation in the first place?
in my opinion, that's the job of the police and the justice system.

They want to justify their worldview that men suck. So they change the rules around to ensure that men get entangled in legal traps just so they can feel more confident in the unfulfilling life of a feminist.

 

[RG 448]

While earlier guidance defined it as “unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature,” the new proposal defines it as unwelcome sexual conduct that’s so severe it effectively denies the victim access to the school or its programs.

The fuck? You can still go to class after getting raped so what the hell qualifies? Gerald’s game?

 

[Kosher Dill]

Universities, at metaphorical gunpoint, have been holding what amount to criminal prosecution against almost entirely male students

And let us not overlook that outside the big media-frenzy cases, a lot of them are really flimsy, stereotypical accusations made against black men for flimsy, stereotypical reasons.

 

[Absolutego]

can someone explain to me why universities are involved in criminal prosecution and investigation in the first place?
in my opinion, that's the job of the police and the justice system.

Because we're in the midst of a moral panic about campus rape, which has been portrayed by feminist activists as being at epidemic levels due to a few seriously flawed studies, where researchers basically assumed maximum negative intentions on any interaction with a man, even if the purported victim did not consider herself as such, to claim something like 75% of rapists escape justice.

Unlike the moral panic about Satanism in the 80's, the courts essentially told these people to fuck off because most criminal rape cases mostly boil down to "he said/she said" and juries/judges largely still adhere to "beyond a reasonable doubt" as the standard for conviction.

So the harridans, unsatisfied they couldn't act out their misandry via the courts, went to university administrations where their bigotry was widely tolerated.

 

[QI 541]

can someone explain to me why universities are involved in criminal prosecution and investigation in the first place?
in my opinion, that's the job of the police and the justice system.

Because businesses should be allowed to do whatever they want or something #libertarianism

 

[Malodorous Merkin]

These two stories are being reported side-by-side all across the leftist media, and not a single one of them is even trying to make the obvious connection between the two.

DeVos is dismantling Obama's "Men are rapists until proven innocent, and even then they're still rapists" rules on college campuses, and the left is a pack of dangerous lunatics when they don't get their way, therefore security has to be cranked way up at the taxpayer's expense."

The shithead leftist propaganda media wants you to believe that it's Team Trump jacking up their travel expenses by flying on private jets while eating caviar and sipping champagne, when the simple truth of the matter is the Secret Service are security professionals that are adapting to the threat levels they're faced with.

You want travel and security expenses to go down, leftist loonies? Then stop acting like a bunch of rabid mongoloids, you utter fuckiing speds.

 

[Spooky]

Reminder that anyone who says that sexual assault is rampant on campus is referring to a bullshit study stating that 1 in 5 women become victims of sexual assault on college campuses, which would make the sexual assault rate at campuses higher than in countries that are currently war zones.

This includes a slap on the ass, drunk hookups, and an unwanted attempted kiss, so the numbers should really be higher tbh. Obviously none of those things should really count as sexual assault and a bouncer is the best way to deal with someone doing any of them

Because businesses should be allowed to do whatever they want or something #libertarianism

I mean most schools are primarily funded through the government through taxes and grants. Even private schools are given tons of government grants. There's nothing libertarian about them

 

[QI 541]

I mean most schools are primarily funded through the government through taxes and grants. Even private schools are given tons of government grants. There's nothing libertarian about them

Yeah, and a lot of tech companies receive government subsidies but the last time someone suggested not letting them do whatever they want the libertarians around here started throwing a hissy fit. Unfortunately they're only about the 8th most retarded political group in this country so people don't pay enough attention to them to point out why their ideology is a childish fantasy.

 

[whatever I feel like]

Yes, but they already accepted the student's money. That is to say they already sold the product, if the student isn't actually engaging in disruptive behavior on campus it should not be possible to kick him out without a refund, which is part of what these changes to DoE guidelines are saying.

 

[QI 541]

Yes, but they already accepted the student's money. That is to say they already sold the product, if the student isn't actually engaging in disruptive behavior on campus it should not be possible to kick him out without a refund, which is part of what these changes to DoE guidelines are saying.

Like most EULAs, there's probably a clause somewhere that states they can kick you out whenever they want for any reason.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

The thread title worried me, but I am presently surprised.

 

[AF 802]

Good. I always wondered what happened to "innocent until proven guilty", but I think the whole Kavanaugh autism started to push that "men are rapists, always will be" shit out the window (for some). This shit almost makes it not worth it for men to go to college, as some girl can get a guy they don't like kicked out by claiming rape.

Jesus Christ, please let these rules come into fruition.

 

[Rivalo]

Twitter's already screeching about this (Archive).

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I love how Biden says 1 in 5 women get raped, and then Swalwell says 1 in 6. So which statistic is it?

 

[mindlessobserver]

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I love how Biden says 1 in 5 women get raped, and then Swalwell says 1 in 6. So which statistic is it?

They define rape as any unwanted sexual advance. So a guy drunkenly kissing a girl at a frat party is rape. They make no distinction between what is essentially normal heterosexual behavior and violent, non-consenting penetration by the penis.

Basically you can get statistics to do whatever you want it to do by altering the parameters and definitions of your metrics. Take "the murder rate". Cities around the world are cheering about how Murder rates are falling. European cities in particular. Because they can use that statistic to say the vibrant diversity is not an objectively bad thing. Problem is, murder is defined as the violent death of someone. Thanks to the magic of cellphones, when someone is shot or stabbed, emergency response is MUCH faster then it was 20 years ago. So people get aid faster, and are less likely to die. The Murder rate may be down, but don't you dare ask what the ATTEMPTED murder rate is mister! That's racist!

 

[ObeseScreamingBlackMan]

Tbh anyone dumb enough to enter the current liberal arts university system in the USA deserves to be raped anyway.